defkalion does not pretend 6 month long continuous test...
They make much more realistic pretention on their site. forget the detail,
but seems like they run tests as one should expect, many differets design,
start and stops...
by the way white lies in business are common, and does not imply
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Another guess...If it is a military organization, based in (North)
America and starts with the letter N, maybe its NORAD.
NORAD could use a LENR power plant to power their underground bunkers.
If NORAD needed nuclear
Right,
at that level of development, buying one of this device as-is is only a
kind of partnership (if honest),
like the client and NI are (supposed to be) doing, or an expensive way to
check if it works. otherwise it is a way to make retro-engineering.
but one is only needed.
another
As suggested I did send Rossi a copy of the statement made by Jones Beene.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg61105.html
Rossi's comments were
This is totally false and ridiculous.
AG
On 1/16/2012 4:46 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Harry Veeder
Didn't Ampenergo put some cash into Rossi last year in May?
Here it is:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/05/fast-facts-about-ampenergo-andrea-rossis-north-and-south-american-commercial-partner/
Wolf
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Alan J Fletchera...@well.com wrote:
January 13th, 2012 at
Rossi has delivered a 1 MW E-Cat, has said they are building the other
13 x 1 MW E-Cats and he has ample cash. What he said here was they are
not yet finished with the optimization of the NI system. Why read
something else into his statement?
AG
On 1/14/2012 6:35 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote:
Why read something else into this? LOL. You must be joking.
Because Rossi spoke it, for one thing - and because it is misleading for
another, just short of complete dishonesty.
You should know this, AG - if you talk to Rossi as much as you claim; and if
he is being straight with you.
Rossi did
Where did you get the information that the customer sent the 1MW plant
back? Are you an employee of the customer? (as you mention the word we)
Wolf
Why read something else into this? LOL. You must be joking.
Because Rossi spoke it, for one thing - and because it is misleading for
another,
No, I am not an employee of the customer, but it is a rather large group...
... ever heard of any large group keeping a secret secure, once too many
tongue-waggers know about it? People talk.
If J. Edgar could not suppress the incredible secret (that he was a gay
cross-dresser) during the 40s,
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
No, I am not an employee of the customer, but it is a rather large group...
Which large group? How do you know? (generically... I am not asking you
to reveal a confidential source of course)
Thanks for the info! Can you share some more information? If so:
- Do you know, if works for a short time means that it actually
delivers more energy than has been put in? How long is short? ;)
- Is the customer waiting for a new and improved version or has he
canceled all the contracts?
Wolf
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote:
Thanks for the info! Can you share some more information? If so:
- Do you know, if works for a short time means that it actually delivers
more energy than has been put in? How long is short? ;)
- Is the customer waiting
Wolf,
The following is strong on opinion and weak on fact, for the obvious reason.
Whenever you see the word apparently below, the factuality of the report
cannot be verified. Several insiders know about this, and I am not an
insider.
You may remember that Defkalion backed out of the original
Jones,
thank you very much for this long and interesting post!
Although I don't really understand the Payola reference (and Google
didn't help me here), I still think I know who you are referring to (I
think, this customer that you are referring to, has been mentioned all
along after the test
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Apparently, this problem of self-extinguishing operation (aka 'quiescence')
has not been solved. I have some technical information to share on that
subject, for a later post.
McKubre has stated that quiescence also occurs
Terry,
Yes, McKubre's suggested site alteration is the most likely reason that so
many LENR experiments, going back decades, seem to be unreliable, even when
identical experiment works well - at other times. Do you by any chance have
a citation for McKubre's observations?
There are two other
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Terry,
Yes, McKubre's suggested site alteration is the most likely reason that so
many LENR experiments, going back decades, seem to be unreliable, even when
identical experiment works well - at other times. Do you by any
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Terry,
Yes, McKubre's suggested site alteration is the most likely reason that so
many LENR experiments, going back decades, seem to be unreliable,
Two other details worth casual comment from this video.
Of course, the focus is on Pd-D back in the day when SRI was active in
actual RD instead of posturing; yet they essentially ignored Ni-H ... plus
the Pd was bulk material or foils - not nanopowder. But in terms of loading
time vs. active
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Of course, the focus is on Pd-D back in the day when SRI was active in
actual RD instead of posturing; yet they essentially ignored Ni-H ...
They did not ignore Ni-H. Srinivasan was there for months trying to
replicate, and they worked with Patterson.
From: Jed Rothwell
Of course, the focus is on Pd-D back in the day when SRI was active in
actual RD instead of posturing; yet they essentially ignored Ni-H ...
They did not ignore Ni-H. Srinivasan was there for months trying to
replicate, and they worked with Patterson. They are not
So you know the name of Rossi's first customer? Which is?
AG
On 1/15/2012 3:01 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
No, I am not an employee of the customer, but it is a rather large group...
... ever heard of any large group keeping a secret secure, once too many
tongue-waggers know about it? People
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
No it isn’t. I repeat SRI did not work with Ni-H gas phase. Ni-H2O is NOT
the same as Ni-H and the dynamics are very different.
No on was working on gas phase Ni-H in those days. It hadn't occurred to
anyone to do it. The problem is that there are
Interesting info. So you are confirming Rossi DID ship the 1 MW reactor
to his customer. That it did not work over extended periods is to be
expected with new technology. If this has happened it says 2 things:
Rossi did ship the reactor to his customer. Excellent news
The reactor did work but
I mean NO ONE was working on gas phase Ni-H in those days. Or nanoparticle
Ni. As far as I know, no one was. Perhaps Rossi was, while keeping a low
profile.
Many variations that seemed promising back then, and some still do. They
include nanoparticles, nanoparticles in various suspensions such
as
From: Jed Rothwell
No it isn't. I repeat SRI did not work with Ni-H gas phase. Ni-H2O is NOT
the same as Ni-H and the dynamics are very different.
JR: No one was working on gas phase Ni-H in those days.
Wrong again. The Thermacore Ni-H gas phase report had been out by the time
Srinivasan came
Hi AG,
Jones gave a lot of hints in his answer to my questions 4:30 hours
earlier. The customers name seems to start with N, is an organization
in Brussel, Rossi also once mentioned the name in the context of the
28th october 1MW test while talking about the Colonel (my guess, the
name has
From: Jed Rothwell
JR: Srinivasan did what seemed most likely to work. He did what Mills and
others claimed was working. It never did.
I hate to quote Krivit on this, but he has considered this research
recently:
http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3620review.shtml
Jones
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Wrong again. The Thermacore Ni-H gas phase report had been out by the time
Srinivasan came to SRI.
Srinivasan discussed this with everyone doing Ni work at the time,
including the people at Thermocore, I believe. He followed their advice.
Doubly
Wolf,
Rossi has stated the customer is a US organization engaged in military
research, the first 1 MW plant was at the customers site in the US and
that he and others have attended to install the plant. Later he stated,
he, the customer's engineer and NI are working on the advanced control
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I hate to quote Krivit on this, but he has considered this research
recently:
http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3620review.shtml
This quotes TR-107843-V1, June 1998, pdf page numbers 363-375. Excerpt:
Out of 22 cells in which calorimetry
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi AG,
Jones gave a lot of hints in his answer to my questions 4:30 hours
earlier. The customers name seems to start with N, is an organization in
Brussel, Rossi also once mentioned the name in the context of the 28th
From: Jed Rothwell
JB: Doubly wrong. Srinivasan did have minor success with light water
electrolysis !
JR: He told me he did not succeed. He thinks the heat was insignificant.
Is any gain (any gain that ostensibly violates conservation of energy)
really insignificant? Is COP = 1.2
AG,
I am just repeating what Jones Beene has posted (look at his post and
what he said there). Perhaps I misunderstood him.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg61115.html
His reference to payola and its italian wording could mean Giampaolo
Di Paola, the Chairman of the NATO
Mary you need to direct this to Jones Beene who claims to have the
inside information that the customer is real, did receive the plant and
that it worked but not as long as the customer expected. Even you would
have to admit this is good information and what one would expect from a
first off
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Not to put word in his mouth, or your memory, but I suspect that what he
told you was he could not be sure the gain did not come from recombination
effects.
He meant the calorimetry was not accurate enough to ensure the results were
above
-Original Message-
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat
Mary you need to direct this to Jones Beene who claims to have the inside
information ...
AG: I could not make it any clearer in the prior post that I am not a Rossi
insider.
OTOH - AG - you have consistently said that you talk to AR often (3
Jones,
I haven't spoken to Andrea for some time, waiting on the specs of the
high temp plant before we get into contracts. I have emailed him about
your comments.
AG
On 1/15/2012 9:45 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat
Mary you need to direct this
The SRI paper also discusses the Ni-H work of Notoya, Ohmori, Noninski and
Bush. I worked closely with all of those people. I paid several thousand
dollars of my own money for some of their work. I have lots of data from
them. I know a great deal about their calorimetry. I am not confident that
Jones,
What failed reactor? You claim to have a report that it produces massive
amounts of excess heat. So it works. All I see in your report is there
is a control issue and that Rossi, the customers engineer and NI are
working to fix it.
This is new and leading edge technology. Would I
Jed,
Yup. Learning that the hard way. But it does WORK.
AG
On 1/15/2012 10:01 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Cold fusion is much harder than it looks.
From: Jed Rothwell
* SRI's publication quoted by Krivit makes it clear they were keeping
track of the research. They were stretched thin and could not try every
promising technique. They wasted no time.
Haste makes waste. Yet, they should have taken full notice of what
Thermacore had
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Why you put a negative spin on this is beyond me? It is the best news you
could have reported. IT WORKS!
The concern is, at least for me, is why the reactor goes quiescent.
McKubre says that once his Pd/D
-Original Message-
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat
Why you put a negative spin on this is beyond me? It is the best news you
could have reported. IT WORKS!
Works, yes ... for a short time. But is it cost effective? - not on this
planet. Will it make a dent in fossil fuel use? - not on this
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat
Why you put a negative spin on this is beyond me? It is the best news you
could have reported. IT WORKS!
Works, yes ... for a short time. But is it cost effective?
Mary spin it anyway you try, you were wrong. Rossi does have a customer,
he did ship the plant, it does work and produce excess heat, there are
control issues, so what, you expect there would not be control issues.
They will be fixed.
Main point is Mary your original analysis and statement
Mary,
Spin it anyway you try, you were wrong. Rossi does have a customer, he
did ship the plant, it does work and produce excess heat, there are
control issues, so what, you expect there would not be control issues.
They will be fixed.
Main point is Mary your original analysis and statement
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary spin it anyway you try, you were wrong. Rossi does have a customer,
he did ship the plant, it does work and produce excess heat, there are
control issues, so what, you expect there would not be control
Mary,
As for what I believe, well I have done my homework. I'm ready to buy a
1 MW high temp plant that we can link to a 350 kW steam turbine with all
the tricky bits to make it as efficient as we can. Rossi knows it and he
knows how I will test it. He requested me to wait until he had
Another guess...If it is a military organization, based in (North)
America and starts with the letter N, maybe its NORAD.
NORAD could use a LENR power plant to power their underground bunkers.
Harry
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote:
AG,
I am just
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
January 13th, 2012 at 5:51 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=15#comment-169415
The 1 MW Customer is not yet working with the 1 MW plant, because we are
still completing the control systems with
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