Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-05-01 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:54:01 -0700: Hi, [snip] -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson I would love to hear various opinions on the matter of available supplies of Nickel, particularly pertaining to the economy of actually mining

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-05-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ...surely, a DC electrolysis cell will only create Oxygen at one electrode and only Hydrogen at the other? In short, it is quite simple to produce pure Hydrogen? It isn't very pure, according to Mizuno. You have to take several extra steps to eliminate impurities.

RE: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson I would love to hear various opinions on the matter of available supplies of Nickel, particularly pertaining to the economy of actually mining the element. How realistic of a conservative prediction is the 100 year prediction?

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: However, there are much larger deposits called laterites which are lower grade, and seldom mined due to comparative cost. I do not know about nickel, but some types of ore are not mined because it takes a lot of energy to mine and separate the ore. With

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Axil Axil
At this point, the amount and balance of the elements in the Rossi ash cannot be determined. IMHO, Rossi can’t tell how much nickel or hydrogen is used, consumed, or transmuted in his reactor because of the large amount of iron (and other undocumented elements) that are produced by erosion from

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To start out with, the Catalyst is initially afixed to the walls of the stainless steel reaction vessel. To remove the ash for analysis, the ash must be abraded away from the walls of the stainless steel vessel by a mechanical process. A reamer, sander,

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Axil Axil
Unless the catalyst evenly covers the inside surface of the reaction vessel (RV) evenly, the heat transfer to the water on the outside surface would be uneven, and inefficient. When the powder fell to the bottom of the RV through the action of gravity, a damaging hot spot would form on the bottom

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Unless the catalyst evenly covers the inside surface of the reaction vessel (RV) evenly, the heat transfer to the water on the outside surface would be uneven, and inefficient. In the Arata DS cathode devices, the powder was packed in tightly, so it covered

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi has stated that the amount of catalyst used in the one liter Reaction vessel is 100 grams. At a density of 3 grams per cm3, the catalyst comsums 33 cm3 of volume that is 3% of the total volume of the 1000 cm3 RV. 3% of unfixed powder would fall in a thin line on the bottom of the RV.

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi has stated that the amount of catalyst used in the one liter Reaction vessel is 100 grams. At a density of 3 grams per cm3, the catalyst comsums 33 cm3 of volume that is 3% of the total volume of the 1000 cm3 RV. 3% of unfixed powder would fall in a

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Axil Axil
The internal heater (cathode) must be placed at a precise distance from the surface of the catalytic powder to maintain the correct electrostatic and heat gradient in the hydrogen gas (*vis*'*-à-vis' * H- , H2). This distance is determined experimentally. On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM,

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Axil Axil
Added thought follows: You should consider the design of the Rossi reaction vessel analogous to a vacuum tube, with the cathode (internal heater) placed at a precise distance from the grid (reaction vessel wall). On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The internal heater (cathode) must be placed at a precise distance from the surface of the catalytic powder to maintain the correct electrostatic and heat gradient in the hydrogen gas (*vis*'*-à-vis' * H- , H2). This distance is determined experimentally.

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Axil Axil
Ah. I guess that makes sense. So there is gas between the heater and the powder surface? Hydrogen at 20 bar give or take. On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The internal heater (cathode) must be placed at a precise

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Axil Axil
“I do not think it should be called a cathode, since there is no anode as far as I know.” It is this internal heater that forms the H- ions (like a cathode) needed to make the Rossi reaction function so productively. This internal heater acts as a spill over catalyst to create H- ions. Rossi

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-04-30 20:34, Axil Axil wrote: It is this internal heater that forms the H- ions (like a cathode) needed to make the Rossi reaction function so productively. This internal heater acts as a spill over catalyst to create H- ions. Rossi calls this his secret catalyst. Also, this is why you

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: So perhaps Focardi mistook (maybe intentionally) that with some kind of electrolysis in his last radio interview [1]? He said that Rossi used electrolysis to generate hydrogen on-the-fly for his E-Cat reactors . . . [2]

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-04-30 23:37, Jed Rothwell wrote: I have been wondering about this. My guess is that Rossi means his device uses gas-loaded cold fusion, rather than the original Fleischmann-Pons electrolysis loading. I agree that here Rossi probably means that. The method of producing hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread mixent
In reply to Akira Shirakawa's message of Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:54:10 +0200: Hi, [snip] 1) Using electrolysis would also poison the cell with oxygen (even if minimally in the best case, with good separation). We know that oxygen ...surely, a DC electrolysis cell will only create Oxygen at one

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread mixent
In reply to Akira Shirakawa's message of Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:54:10 +0200: Hi, [snip] 2) How is an internal reactor pressure of 20-25 bars achieved by using electrolysis in that way? Electrolysis can actually produce very high pressures. Much higher than those required here. 3) Isn't hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-05-01 01:30, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ...surely, a DC electrolysis cell will only create Oxygen at one electrode and only Hydrogen at the other? In short, it is quite simple to produce pure Hydrogen? Even I know that oxygen and hydrogen are generated separately at each electrode,

Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with?

2011-04-30 Thread mixent
In reply to Akira Shirakawa's message of Sun, 01 May 2011 01:39:24 +0200: Hi, [snip] Even I know that oxygen and hydrogen are generated separately at each electrode, what I was wondering is if in a closed system (to build up pressure) there isn't risk of oxygen spillover where it isn't needed.