RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-05-03 Thread francis
In reply to Robin van Spaandonk's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 01:03:44 -0700 [snip] ...but AFAIK gas motion is not primarily ZPE driven. It's just the thermal energy of the molecules. So the implication would seem to be that as the energy was extracted, the gas would get colder, until it reached

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:19:10 -0400: Hi, [snip] provided gratis by the constant motion of gas[ZPE] ...but AFAIK gas motion is not primarily ZPE driven. It's just the thermal energy of the molecules. So the implication would seem to be that as the energy was

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:19:10 -0400: Hi, [snip] That's why I was trying to find a form of the time dilation formula[Gamma] already solving for force You might try reverse engineering Einstein's full equation to get the momentum, then you can calculate

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:49:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] The E-cat certainly appears to include nuclear reactions but I don't know if it was ever established that the amount of ash produced was proportional to energy output. It does appear to be at least

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Robin, I agree thermal is the primary source of motion at our scale but ZPE is the inexhaustible source at any scale. Gas and Casimir geometry just happen to have properties we can use to exploit this inexhaustible source. The relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect means that the most

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread Roarty, Francis X
, April 29, 2011 4:09 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:49:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] The E-cat certainly appears to include nuclear reactions but I don't know if it was ever

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:37:20 -0400: Hi Fran, [snip] Robin , I made the mistake of starting from the bottom of the email replies - your position that the ash is roughly proportional would have balanced Scott Smith's position that there is far too

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com The bottom line IMO is that we will just have to wait till more definitive and independent info becomes available. Robin, Exactamundo. This is precisely why I think that yesterday's announcement of NASA throwing its hat into the Ni-H ring is

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-28 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones, I agree with most of what you are saying even that we still dispute the need to makeup chemical energy released by catalytic disassociation. ZPE is absolutely based on a negative potential but once you provide a method to rectify this energy (Heisenberg trap) it operates on the

RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-28 Thread Jones Beene
Fran - I did not make it clear that in a ZPE-only interpretation, a nuclear reaction may not be needed, however - it is unclear if it can be completely avoided. This brings up the lochon which is not a hydrino - although Andrew M. was a participant on the HSG for a long time. This has turned up

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-28 Thread Ron Wormus
Fran, I've been following you ideas for awhile but I don't see how they can apply to Rossi if you believe the Ni--- Cu claims which were supposedly verified by the Swedes. At one time I was going to try a MAHG replication but it turned out that Naudin made obvious errors in his power

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-28 Thread Roarty, Francis X
[mailto:prot...@frii.com] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:45 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Roarty, Francis X Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll Fran, I've been following you ideas for awhile but I don't see how they can apply to Rossi if you believe the Ni--- Cu claims

Re: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-27 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I don't know if this is relevant ... includes keywords rossi, nickel, hydrogen and casimir http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32183/gas-property-of-constant-motion-disassociates-h2-in-opposition-to-changes-in-casimir-force/

Re: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I don't know if this is relevant ... includes keywords rossi, nickel, hydrogen and casimir http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32183/gas-property-of-constant-motion-disassociates-h2-in-opposition-to-changes-in-casimir-force/ Uh,

Re: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-21 Thread Harry Veeder
Wouldn't you need a time varying magnetic field for this to work? Harry From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 9:44:28 AM Subject: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll This is a long post putting together several threads of evidence that

RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: Harry * * Wouldn't you need a time varying magnetic field for this to work? Yes. Power from PLCs would normally be PWM. This should work fine with DC heating tape, no?

Re: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: The Griggs pump needs massive water flow. No, it does not. I observed tests with various flow rates. It does not need a higher flow rate than a conventional boiler. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-21 Thread Harry Veeder
From: Jones Beene From:Harry   Ø      ØWouldn't you need a time varying magnetic field for this to work?   Yes. Power from PLCs would normally be PWM.   This should work fine with DC heating tape, no?     I wouldn't know. So the input power figures we hear about are time averaged? Harry