Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack Jones Beene wrote: John Coviello wrote: H.V: Do buildings that suffer structural failure collapse so

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
John Coviello wrote: - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack Jones Beene wrote: John Coviello wrote: H.V: Do buildings that suffer structural

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence   The issue of whether the fire was hot enough to _melt_ the steel beams may be another red herring -- it just had to be hot enough to soften them enough so that the already damaged supports for one floor broke.  The National Institute

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On a smaller scale than skyscrapers, where one finds both wood frame and steel frame buildings of roughly similar size and shape, in a good hot fire, and all else being equal, a wood-frame building will typically stand _longer_ than a steel-frame building before

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
RC Macaulay wrote: Hi Jones, Interesting that we have never heard from the original team of structural engineers that designed and supervised construction of the Towers. We certainly have! The chief designer gave a presentation on it shortly after the collapse. IIRC, he explained

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: I doubt the Empire State Building would have collapsed if a jet liner crashed into it. The Pentagon was built around the same time as the Empire State Building, using similar materials and techniques. It shattered when the airplane smashed into it. I believe experts

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
I doubt the Empire State Building would have collapsed if a jet liner crashed into it. If the twin towers were built like clipper ships, the Empire State building was built like a battle ship. Harry Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: We certainly have! The chief designer gave a

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
I still doubt it. ;-) Harry Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: I doubt the Empire State Building would have collapsed if a jet liner crashed into it. The Pentagon was built around the same time as the Empire State Building, using similar materials and techniques. It shattered

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-29 Thread RC Macaulay
. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack RC Macaulay writes: With all debris removed from the WT site, no proof of anything remains. That's incorrect. Thousands of tons were put aside for the investigation, and have been preserved. Samples of the damaged steel and other materials have been

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-29 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack RC Macaulay writes: With all debris removed from the WT site, no proof of anything remains. That's

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-29 Thread Harry Veeder
John Coviello wrote: Do buildings that suffer structural failure collapse so quickly and cleanly? If not, then the events of 9/11 require alternative explanations, IMO. Yes...if the buildings had been designed to be demolished. Disposable architecture brought to you by the throw-away

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-29 Thread Jones Beene
John Coviello wrote: H.V: Do buildings that suffer structural failure collapse so quickly and cleanly? If not, then the events of 9/11 require alternative explanations.. Yes...if the buildings had been designed to be demolished. Yes, but of course it does not *have to be* part of the

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-29 Thread RC Macaulay
: Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack John Coviello wrote: H.V: Do buildings that suffer structural failure collapse so quickly and cleanly? If not, then the events of 9/11 require alternative explanations.. Yes...if the buildings had been designed to be demolished. Yes

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-29 Thread Harry Veeder
Jones Beene wrote: John Coviello wrote: H.V: Do buildings that suffer structural failure collapse so quickly and cleanly? If not, then the events of 9/11 require alternative explanations.. Yes...if the buildings had been designed to be demolished. You switched me with John Coviello.

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-29 Thread Harry Veeder
Jones Beene wrote: John Coviello wrote: H.V: Do buildings that suffer structural failure collapse so quickly and cleanly? If not, then the events of 9/11 require alternative explanations.. Yes...if the buildings had been designed to be demolished. You switched me with John Coviello.

S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is not related to cold fusion, but Jones has contributed to the field, so perhaps it will interest the readers here: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html QUOTE: BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11 Last fall, Brigham Young University physics

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-28 Thread RC Macaulay
Group and Zodiac SA of France. Making big bucks on defense contracts.. I thought the US and France were on the outs? Richard - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: S. Jones makes claims about 9

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
RC Macaulay writes: With all debris removed from the WT site, no proof of anything remains. That's incorrect. Thousands of tons were put aside for the investigation, and have been preserved. Samples of the damaged steel and other materials have been extensively tested by many independent