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From: John Coviello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:02 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV?
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From: Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11
From: John Coviello
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> That miracle battery is on it's way finally! Lithium ion
> batteries have sufficient power densities to deliver 300
> mile per charge and can actually recharge in 5 to 10 minutes.
> You know what that means? People can pull in and recharge
> their EVs on the go,
-Original Message-
From: John Coviello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:29 PM
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From: Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Zell, Chris wrote:
I spent many an hour reading about battery research in libraries at
Cornell. There just wasn't anything worthwhile out there - and lithum ion
is a maybe. . . .
The Don Quixote Car Company that built this stuff would also need a
charging station infrastructure, trained
Here's an interesting question:
Is it possible to design a ground-fault interrupter which can carry --
and safely break -- a 1000 amp current going into a 1000 volt load?
OrionWorks wrote:
From: John Coviello
...
That miracle battery is on it's way finally! Lithium ion
batteries have
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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Here's an interesting question:
Is it possible to design a ground-fault interrupter which can carry --
and safely
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From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:31 AM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV?
Zell, Chris wrote:
I spent many an hour reading about battery research in libraries at
Cornell. There just wasn't
Zell, Chris wrote:
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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Here's an interesting question:
Is it possible to design a ground-fault interrupter which
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence
But I also wasn't thinking clearly about that, either -- the volts from
the charging station would have to be isolated from ground, so the only
way to get a shock from it would be across the two leads.
EV-1 used inductive charging. No
Zell, Chris wrote:
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- that has mileage and acceleration - and
beat the Japanese?
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From: John Coviello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV?
Very interesting. Too bad there is no trailer available on the site
(link
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. . . GM's EV-1 electric vehicle is launched in 1997 with great
fanfare from California consumers. It was the first perfect car of
the modern age, requiring no gas, no oil, no mufflers, and no brake
changes (a billion dollar industry unto itself.)
Why would there be
cars and no
conspiracy is necessary.
Find a miracle battery - and , yes, YOU WILL KILL THE OIL COMPANIES.
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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:05 AM
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Jed Rothwell wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. . . GM's EV-1 electric vehicle is launched in 1997 with great
fanfare from California consumers. It was the first perfect car of
the modern age, requiring no gas, no oil, no mufflers, and no brake
changes (a billion dollar industry unto
Zell, Chris wrote:
Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful,
gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, 75 mile range, recharge - over
night Toys.
I think you are wrong about that. Millions of people would love to
have an electric car with a 75-mile range if it
Harry Veeder wrote:
Why would there be no brake changes? Electric and hybrid cars have
regenerative braking but they also have ordinary brakes as well.
Do they mean the braking system did not use friction?
No, I mean they use the electric motor as a generator, and this puts
a load on
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Zell, Chris wrote:
Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful,
gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, 75 mile range, recharge - over
night Toys.
I think you are wrong about that. Millions of people would love to have
an electric car with
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From: Harry Veeder
Do they mean the braking system did not use friction?
It used both: disc in front, electric in rear. Here are the EV-1 specs:
http://www.evchargernews.com/CD-A/gm_ev1_web_site/specs/specs_specs_top.h
tm
or
http://tinyurl.com/ckaju
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:57 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV?
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Zell, Chris wrote:
Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants
wasteful
Zell, Chris wrote:
If you really think that millions want one of these toys, then
successful niche builders like the Japanese should be making them.
Yes. I think millions want them and the Japanese should be making
them. But up until this year, they did not think so! Now they are
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
The only reasonable alternative to a gasoline plug-in hybrid is a
diesel plug-in hybrid.
Is this really true? A pure EV car would be lighter, simpler, and
cheaper than a hybrid. The only place it falls down on is range.
I could be wrong, but that is my gut
From: Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote:
Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful,
gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, 75 mile range, recharge - over
night Toys.
I think you are wrong about that. Millions of people would love to
have an electric car
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From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:17 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV?
From: Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote:
Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
Why would there be no brake changes? Electric and hybrid cars have
regenerative braking but they also have ordinary brakes as well.
Do they mean the braking system did not use friction?
No, I mean they use the electric motor as a generator, and
Harry Veeder wrote:
So the life of the break pads is greatly extended?
That's my guess, as I said in the first message.
Not only does it save money, it reduces pollution from dust and
fragments of brake pads along highways and roads.
Summarizing my feelings about a typical U.S. EV
If room temperature superconductors can be made they would also
boost the performance of electric vehicles.
If I remember correctly, a Time magazine cover from around '86 or '87
showed an artist's rendering of a futuristic electric vehicle as one of the
promises of high temperature
...and here it is from May 11, 1987:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101870511,00.html
Harry
Harry Veeder wrote:
If I remember correctly, a Time magazine cover from around '86 or '87
showed an artist's rendering of a futuristic electric vehicle as one of the
promises of high
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From: Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV?
I don't see any need for any conspiracy to kill off electric cars at
all. The range is awful, they take time to recharge
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From: Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV?
In summary, there are too many sinister explanations for things that are
easily explained by pedestrian economics. Alternative
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From: Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV?
Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful,
gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, 75 mile range
John Coviello writes:
Japan probably hasn't
led the way to EVs because electricity costs about 3 to 4 times as much as
electricity in the U.S., around 28 cents per kWH in Japan.
Yes, but gasoline costs $5 per gallon, so it works out roughly the same.
Japanese companies have announced electric
Zell, Chris wrote:
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From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:17 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV?
From: Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote:
Cold weather makes electric cars
Soon to a DVD near you:
http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/
and the Sundance Festival.
Terry
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suprising that they are crushing EVs instead of developing them?
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Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:00 PM
Subject: Who Killed the EV?
Soon to a DVD near you:
http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/
and the Sundance
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