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I think the bit about his brother being a secret service agent and saving a bus load of kids raised the biggest red flag to me. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com
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-Original Message- From: seattle truth seattle.tr...@gmail.com To: fznidar...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Oct 29, 2010 8:05 am Subject: part 11 this one will really get people motivated to take action. i went all out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xteu-BWGSNs
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At 09:29 AM 10/29/2010, Nick Palmer wrote: I think the bit about his brother being a secret service agent and saving a bus load of kids raised the biggest red flag to me. Nick Palmer There is a host of details like this. Each one is possible, if only remotely possible. I started to realize that the story seemed to be dense with these over-the-top details. There are a number of possible explanations besides it happened that way. Mark wrote: His nephew, Phillip Lebid, was a Secret Service agent and sacrificed himself at age 30 to save a bus load of kids. Phillip was very behind what we are doing and we miss him greatly. In this case, this was literally true. http://www.policespecial.com/inthelineofduty/2004/04-143-Lebid.htm Notice an aspect of this: there is no sign that they were working on anything other than nanomachining with re-entrant water jets, in 2004. Notice the conflation between what they were doing, which PIllip supported, and what they are doing, which would be the very unusual work. I do assume that, however, Phillip would support any real research, as would -- and do -- I. I'm simply maintaining an awareness of the possibility that the whole thing could be seriously in error in some way. It's very clear that to some degree and in some ways, Mark's story is true. The question is how far it's true. And when I look for independent confirmation of the wild stuff, I've found none. None. And a pile of oddities, each one iffy, like the secret service agent story. If someone presents you with ten iffy facts, and you verify some of them, and they turn out to be true, that does not mean that the others are true and, in fact, a skillful hoaxer will find as many of these iffy facts as possible to present, precisely looking for the if he was right about that, he's probably right about the rest response. It's a well known deceptive technique. That doesn't mean that Mark is lying. It does mean that there is a lot of work to be done, by him as well as by others.
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At 12:48 PM 10/29/2010, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: His nephew, Phillip Lebid, was a Secret Service agent and sacrificed himself at age 30 to save a bus load of kids. Phillip was very behind what we are doing and we miss him greatly. In this case, this was literally true. http://www.policespecial.com/inthelineofduty/2004/04-143-Lebid.htm However, about to put this down entirely, I realized something. The article doesn't mention relatives. So I started to look for a sign of them. I searched for sergio phillip colleen lebid, Colleen, Phillip's mother, being mentioned in a story about the guy driving the car that Phillip ran into. First I found an obit: Lebid, Valentina VALENTINA LEBID, 82, beloved wife of Ivan (deceased); loving mother of Lilia (deceased), Nadia Barthol (Herbert, deceased), Nicolas (Colleen) and Sergio (Lucya); dear grandmother http://obits.cleveland.com/Cleveland/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStoryPersonId=95847096(more) This could be the family, I assume, without paying for the detailed obit, that a Phillip is mentioned as a grandchild, and that Serge may be named after an uncle, Sergio. http://obits.cleveland.com/obituaries/cleveland/obituary-preview.aspx?n=valentina-lebidpid=95847096referrer=258 It costs $2.95 to read the obit. Tempting Looking further, I found this: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/feb/27/271611/tampa-man-sentenced-15-after-probation-violations/ From the article: I agreed with the probation before. I figured he needed a chance, said the Secret Service special agent's mother, Colleen Lebid. He really has insulted us terribly. Not by the first time but by the second time. His attitude is cavalier. David Lebid, Phillip Lebid's brother, said he still misses his brother greatly. He loved me, and I wanted to be in his life for a long time, David Lebid said. I can no longer do that. Not conclusive. There could be another brother. If I had some money to spend, I'd buy the right to read the whole obit. Since it lists deceased relatives, it would certainly list Serge. Except the name is actually Sergio. David Lebid is 28 years old. I forget how old Sergio is, but he could indeed be the brother of Colleen, not her son (or did I read that obit correctly -- what do the parentheses mean). Sergio Lebid (principal in NanoSpire) attended Cleveland State University, starting in 1972, after high school in Brooklyn. So the latest he'd have been born, unless quite unusual, would be roughly 1954, making him 53 in 2007. While it's remotely possible that Valentina, who died at 82 in 2007, was his grandmother, it seems more likely that she was his mother. To be the grandmother, the average age at birth of the mothers involved would be 14.5. Very, very thin. Or I've misread something Someone who needs to know might look at that obit But if it turns out that there was a small error in what Mark wrote, so what? He'll just say, Oops! I got that not quite right. If it turns out that Sergio Lebid of NanoSpire is not a close relative of Phillip Lebid, it would look pretty bad.
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-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Getting back to the important details - there are the 3 patents: http://www.google.com/patents?tbs=bks%3A1tbo=1q=%22Mark%20L%20Leclair%22b tnG=Search%20Patentsrview=1 And the old one from 1994 seems to have been overlooked, but could be important IF there are trade secrets being left out of the account. Why ? Well this patent combines nanoparticles and cavitation in a way that would not be obvious if you are assuming that this work was only about sonoluminescence and not about hybrid energy techniques. If we can assume that there are trade secrets; and that LeClair is basically an honest man; then this work is extremely important. There is a wealth of information on the acceleration of catalysis during cavitation in the field of sonochemistry. One way to look at this would be as a process that uses cavitation and sonochemistry and nano-technology - to produces either pycnodeuterium and/or fractional hydrogen and/or LENR (perhaps step-wise) using a hybrid approach, some of which is NOT being disclosed by the inventor, so far. If there is any way that Mark LeClair is for real - then this hybrid approach could be extremely important as it shows how to go from nanoparticles, let's say something like the Arata nanopowder alloy, and to apply mechanical energy to a colloid of that powder in such a way that nuclear reactions are massively accelerated. Given that Arata claims helium, and after what is essentially zero power input (after triggering) - think of the implications of increasing the rate of helium production by a factor of 10e6, which not an uncommon ratio for such known increases in sonochemistry. Twenty years ago, the question was cynically asked by skeptics about the whereabouts of the dead graduate assistant and now we could be seeing a partial answer to the reality of that assumed risk. If Mark LeClair is genuinely honest. Jones
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Obit: VALENTINA LEBID, 82, beloved wife of Ivan (deceased); loving mother of Lilia (deceased), Nadia Barthol (Herbert, deceased), Nicolas (Colleen) and Sergio (Lucya); dear grandmother of Herbert, Phillip (deceased), Nicole, Andreas, David, Dimitri, Nicolas and Adrian, and great grandmother of Kiley and Brendan. Funeral Services, Thursday, Oct. 11, 2007 at 9:30 a.m. at the funeral home and at 10 a.m. at St. Theodosius Orthodox Cathedral. Interment St. Theodosius Cemetery. Family will receive friends at THE YURCH FUNERAL HOME, 5618 BROADVIEW RD., PARMA, OH (BETWEEN SNOW AND BROOK-PARK) WEDNESDAY 2-4 AND 7-9 P.M. PANIHIDA SERVICE WEDNESDAY 8:30 P.M. www.cleveland.com/obits Guestbook: October 10, 2007 Words cannot express my feelings in this sad time for you and your family. My prayers are with you and my God give you the strength to remember and take joy of the goodtimes and carry you through the pain and sadness through the following days. ~ Nellie Bentley, Santa Rosa, California |Contact Me October 10, 2007 She will be greatly missed. My heart goes out to all of you...love and smypathy. ~ Bianca Bellis, Ft. Myers, Florida |Contact Me October 10, 2007 Our deepest sympathy's for your family. Valentina was a great woman and will surely be missed. With our love, ~ Lindsay and Shaun Bird, Parma, Ohio |Contact Me end You can read it yourself for the next 24 hours. T
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Only looked at the first patent so far but the concept of milling/high speed mixing a colloid of nano suspended catalyst would certainly seem to trump the Griggs idea using just water. Fran -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 2:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:NanoSpire -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Getting back to the important details - there are the 3 patents: http://www.google.com/patents?tbs=bks%3A1tbo=1q=%22Mark%20L%20Leclair%22b tnG=Search%20Patentsrview=1 And the old one from 1994 seems to have been overlooked, but could be important IF there are trade secrets being left out of the account. Why ? Well this patent combines nanoparticles and cavitation in a way that would not be obvious if you are assuming that this work was only about sonoluminescence and not about hybrid energy techniques. If we can assume that there are trade secrets; and that LeClair is basically an honest man; then this work is extremely important. There is a wealth of information on the acceleration of catalysis during cavitation in the field of sonochemistry. One way to look at this would be as a process that uses cavitation and sonochemistry and nano-technology - to produces either pycnodeuterium and/or fractional hydrogen and/or LENR (perhaps step-wise) using a hybrid approach, some of which is NOT being disclosed by the inventor, so far. If there is any way that Mark LeClair is for real - then this hybrid approach could be extremely important as it shows how to go from nanoparticles, let's say something like the Arata nanopowder alloy, and to apply mechanical energy to a colloid of that powder in such a way that nuclear reactions are massively accelerated. Given that Arata claims helium, and after what is essentially zero power input (after triggering) - think of the implications of increasing the rate of helium production by a factor of 10e6, which not an uncommon ratio for such known increases in sonochemistry. Twenty years ago, the question was cynically asked by skeptics about the whereabouts of the dead graduate assistant and now we could be seeing a partial answer to the reality of that assumed risk. If Mark LeClair is genuinely honest. Jones
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At 02:15 PM 10/29/2010, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Getting back to the important details - there are the 3 patents: http://www.google.com/patents?tbs=bks%3A1tbo=1q=%22Mark%20L%20Leclair%22b tnG=Search%20Patentsrview=1 And the old one from 1994 seems to have been overlooked, but could be important IF there are trade secrets being left out of the account. He's said that his interest is getting the information out, but he has not described all the details, for sure. It's sketchy. Very sketchy. Why ? Well this patent combines nanoparticles and cavitation in a way that would not be obvious if you are assuming that this work was only about sonoluminescence and not about hybrid energy techniques. If we can assume that there are trade secrets; and that LeClair is basically an honest man; then this work is extremely important. I wrote this from the beginning. This is very unlikely be a simple mistake, i.e., calorimetry error, some glitch with contamination, etc. It simply doesn't read that way. It reads like a science-fiction story. Is truth stranger than fiction? Could be, I just don't expect it. (The story begins ... on a web site with user-generated content, there appeared an article about an obscure company in Maine, NanoSpire. A few minutes later, the CEO of this company posted his story to an also-obscure mailing list for reseachers in condensed matter nuclear sciece, a field long regarded as fringe or worse. ...) There is a wealth of information on the acceleration of catalysis during cavitation in the field of sonochemistry. One way to look at this would be as a process that uses cavitation and sonochemistry and nano-technology - to produces either pycnodeuterium and/or fractional hydrogen and/or LENR (perhaps step-wise) using a hybrid approach, some of which is NOT being disclosed by the inventor, so far. Sure. Could be about anything. If there is any way that Mark LeClair is for real - then this hybrid approach could be extremely important as it shows how to go from nanoparticles, let's say something like the Arata nanopowder alloy, and to apply mechanical energy to a colloid of that powder in such a way that nuclear reactions are massively accelerated. It appears that Mark LeClair is real, though I've seen no *proof* that it is Mark LeClair of NanoSpire who has been corresponding on the list. Someone could confirm this with a phone call to NanoSpire, I assume. However, that science fiction story could have a very complex plot and layers of twists, impersonations at various levels, etc. It would still be believable on some level. It could be very dark, (Where is the real Mark LeClear? Where is the real Sergio Lebed?) or it could be a story of courage and persistence, and both tremendous hope and tremendous danger for humanity. Given that Arata claims helium, and after what is essentially zero power input (after triggering) - think of the implications of increasing the rate of helium production by a factor of 10e6, which not an uncommon ratio for such known increases in sonochemistry. I find that unlikly. He's got every reason to think that he's reached hot fusion temperatures, assuming his report is accurate. He's using a brute force technique, i.e., very high velocity jets. (They are very precise, so brute force could be misleading, rather, I'm pointing to the very high velocity and pressure asserted (0.5 c, so many gigapascals.) Twenty years ago, the question was cynically asked by skeptics about the whereabouts of the dead graduate assistant and now we could be seeing a partial answer to the reality of that assumed risk. Well, the dead grad student was mentioned because if the reaction had been hot fusion, with the reported excess heat, the neutron levels would have been fatal. But the F-P reaction was not hot fusion, it was cold fusion, and not simply a new catalyzed d-d fusion, because that would have also produced the neutrons, MCF has the same branching ratio. What we call cold fusion is very different from bubble fusion; cold fusion appears to depend upon the possible arrangements available in condensed matter, where group quantum effects can produce unexpected phenomena. Bubble fusion, if it works, depends on developing very high temperatures/pressures when the bubbles collapse. While some hybrid is possible to conceive, I won't detail it. Mark has said that the apparatus contained only aluminum and pure water. You've followed a red herring. If Mark LeClair is genuinely honest. And sane. There is a book I stumbled across yesterday with the title Cold Fusion, written by a woman who fell into paranoid schizophrenia. I have a little experience of this myself, a fugue when I was in my early twenties. It was not as dramatic, I'd say, as the woman, nor as what Mark is reporting. But it's certainly possible. A person can report experiences, strung upon a net of real sensory
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At 03:40 PM 10/29/2010, Terry Blanton wrote: Obit: VALENTINA LEBID, 82, beloved wife of Ivan (deceased); loving mother of Lilia (deceased), Nadia Barthol (Herbert, deceased), Nicolas (Colleen) and Sergio (Lucya); dear grandmother of Herbert, Phillip (deceased), Nicole, Andreas, David, Dimitri, Nicolas and Adrian, and great grandmother of Kiley and Brendan. Funeral Services, Thursday, Oct. 11, 2007 at 9:30 a.m. at the funeral home and at 10 a.m. at St. Theodosius Orthodox Cathedral. Interment St. Theodosius Cemetery. Family will receive friends at THE YURCH FUNERAL HOME, 5618 BROADVIEW RD., PARMA, OH (BETWEEN SNOW AND BROOK-PARK) WEDNESDAY 2-4 AND 7-9 P.M. PANIHIDA SERVICE WEDNESDAY 8:30 P.M. http://www.cleveland.com/obitswww.cleveland.com/obits Confirmed. That's what it says. Slaps head! Of course. Phillip was the nephew of Sergio. I don't know where I got the idea this was a brother. Goes to show. This is confirmation of the relationship. Phillip died, as I recall, in 2004, and is listed as deceased in 2007. Colleen is in parenthesis because she is the wife of Nicolas. So, one oddity confirmed, Mark LeClair's report was accurate. Sergio Lebid's nephew was a Secret Service agent who died saving a bus full of kids. A hero. How many oddities to go?
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Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: So, one oddity confirmed, Mark LeClair's report was accurate. Sergio Lebid's nephew was a Secret Service agent who died saving a bus full of kids. A hero. Good heavens. I feel bad for poking fun at the claim. It is humbling and embarrassing. From the news report, it does not seem the agent deliberately put himself in harm's way. He just happened to be driving alongside the bus and his car absorbed most of the kinetic energy from the crash. Still, unwittingly or not, he was sacrificed. (It doesn't say there were kids on the bus. It says tour bus. But let's not quibble.) - Jed
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: I'll just note that if the security agencies are not aware of this story, they are asleep on the job. Or the controls have changed. T
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Parma, OH rings a bell with someone else. CF? AG? I wish the archives went to the beginning. T
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: I'll just note that if the security agencies are not aware of this story, they are asleep on the job. Or the controls have changed. Jack Reacher, alone, in the dark.
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-Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X the concept of milling/high speed mixing a colloid of nano suspended catalyst would certainly seem to trump the Griggs idea using just water. A few points worth mentioning wrt Griggs. From the evidence and tests which were run at the time, and Jed may have more to say about this, many careful observers were open to the conclusion that Griggs may have seen OU at time, but unreliably. His active cavitation elements was a large rotor with milled indentations. These were not small. Nanotechnology was in its infancy and never mentioned AFAIK. It is consistent with all we know to suggest that during the time spans that the Griggs pump worked reliably for excess heat - these coincided to self-created nano-pitting in the metal stator, and/or colloidal particles in the water. There are a number of instances of iron oxide colloid in water (brown NOT red) being associated with water energy anomalies. Jones
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I wonder if Yuri Potapov is selling his heater still? T
[Vo]:OT: A novel way to find areas using tangents
A novel way to find areas using tangents. Harry http://www.its.caltech.edu/~mamikon/VisualCalc.html Calculus is a beautiful subject with a host of dazzling applications. As a teacher of calculus for more than fifty years and as an author of a couple of textbooks on the subject, I was stunned to learn that many classical problems in calculus can be easily solved by an innovative visual approach that makes no use of formulas. The method was conceived in 1959 by a young undergraduate student at Yerevan University in Armenia named Mamikon A. Mnatsakanian.
