Re: [Vo]:ZPE Transmutation???

2011-04-29 Thread Harry Veeder
The Cold is similiar to inertia. It discourages acceleration. Cold fusion involves absorption of the cold thereby allowing molecules to accelerate and heat things up.  Harry - only  1/3 joking From: Wm. Scott Smith scott...@hotmail.com To: prot...@frii.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu,

Re: [Vo]:3 TVA Plants knocked offline by tornadoes

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:54:36 -0400: Hi, [snip] They cannot supply electricity for their own use only because they are not designed to run at a tiny fraction of regular output, say 0.1%. I believe that is about all they need to keep themselves going. (The energy

Re: [Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:54:31 -0400: Hi, [snip] Wind is a function of solar radiation and that has not changed, so I doubt overall wind or the patterns of wind have changed, or can change. That isn't quite true. The world's heat engine runs on the temperature

Re: [Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:54:31 -0400: Hi, [snip] PV also produces roughly 30% of nameplate because the sun shines with peak intensity around 8 hours per day. However, unlike wind power, PV produces peak electricity at exactly the moment when demand peaks during

Re: [Vo]:Success for Rossi will bringing funding for others

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:27:40 -0400: Hi, [snip] Now, considering the amount of hydrogen required, why not supply a H2 pressurized cartridge with the powder magic mixture? If you do the math, I think you will see that no new hydrogen will be required for the

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:19:10 -0400: Hi, [snip] provided gratis by the constant motion of gas[ZPE] ...but AFAIK gas motion is not primarily ZPE driven. It's just the thermal energy of the molecules. So the implication would seem to be that as the energy was

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:19:10 -0400: Hi, [snip] That's why I was trying to find a form of the time dilation formula[Gamma] already solving for force You might try reverse engineering Einstein's full equation to get the momentum, then you can calculate

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:49:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] The E-cat certainly appears to include nuclear reactions but I don't know if it was ever established that the amount of ash produced was proportional to energy output. It does appear to be at least

Re: [Vo]:Colin Powell's WMD speech and other colossal technical mistakes

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:04:40 -0500: Hi, [snip] I suspect that is one of the reasons why I think he might make a decent president. I agree. I actually always rather liked Powell, but I felt that he caved in to pressure a little too easily (which

[Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Esa Ruoho
http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2011/04/97-e-cats-in-operation-right-now.html

Re: [Vo]:ZPE Transmutation???

2011-04-29 Thread francis
Harry, Joking or not I begin to see where Jones was going when he said the nuclear reaction may be an unavoidable consequence of ZPE / book balancing and perhaps where most of the radiation is going - the hot Fusion being a product of the absolute difference in energy between a deeply

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Robin, I agree thermal is the primary source of motion at our scale but ZPE is the inexhaustible source at any scale. Gas and Casimir geometry just happen to have properties we can use to exploit this inexhaustible source. The relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect means that the most

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Esa Ruoho
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2011/04/97-e-cats-in-operation-right-now.html 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countrieshttp://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2011/04/97-e-cats-in-operation-right-now.html

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Robin , I made the mistake of starting from the bottom of the email replies - your position that the ash is roughly proportional would have balanced Scott Smith's position that there is far too much ash for heat extracted - I made some assumption in my previous reply that were based on

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread peatbog
The single most important development in recent history and in a time of crisis, but it's not worthy of mention. Why should the media mention it? It hasn't been replicated, as far as we know, by independent testing labs; nobody even knows how it works or if it works reliably. Right now, it is

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Esa Ruoho
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 4:41 PM, peatbog peat...@teksavvy.com wrote: The single most important development in recent history and in a time of crisis, but it's not worthy of mention. Why should the media mention it? It hasn't been replicated, as far as we know, by independent testing

Re: [Vo]:3 TVA Plants knocked offline by tornadoes

2011-04-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 04/28/2011 03:37 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/28/utilities-tva-storms-idUSN2718319320110428 All 3 Browns Ferry sites lost outside power and switched to diesel power. They're using DIESEL POWER to run them? Jeez, all these years and they STILL haven't

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
peatbog peat...@teksavvy.com wrote: Why should the media mention it? I agree the mainstream media is not likely to mention a thing like this. They cannot distinguish it from a perpetual motion machine claim. It hasn't been replicated, as far as we know, by independent testing labs;

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Your typical locomotive engine is around 1 MW. It might be wise to skip the generation of electricity in the first wave of Rossi e-cat sales. Focus on the KISS principal. Simply focus on the economic advantages of cheap heat! Rossi-powered 1 MW furnaces might do very well if the goal is to show

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Cold fusion has been replicated thousands of times in hundreds of labs, and ***conclusively verified*** by people such as Levi and Kullander. You are too ethusiastic. Even Hanno Essén said (on Italian's Skeptics Society (CICAP) magazine (Query)) that the test performed on March 29 was a

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Cold fusion has been replicated thousands of times in hundreds of labs, and conclusively verified by people such as Levi and *Kullander*. You are too ethusiastic. Even Hanno Essén said (on Italian's Skeptics Society (CICAP) magazine

[Vo]:Cold Fusion Replicated thousands of times?

2011-04-29 Thread peatbog
Cold fusion has been replicated thousands of times in hundreds of labs Straighten me out here, but I thought that the replications were one-off things that could not be reliably repeated, or the supposed OU from them was so small that it could be written off as error. What was

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: Your typical locomotive engine is around 1 MW. If that were so, it would require 3 or 4 MW of raw heat. However, various on-line references indicate that modern locomotives are usually more powerful than this, ranging from 1.8 to 6 MW. See, for example:

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Any chemical process for producing 25 kWh from any fuel in a 50 cm3 container can be ruled out. The only alternative explanation is that there is some kind of a nuclear process that gives rise to the measured energy production. That sounds conclusive to me. It's conclusive that you cannot get

RE: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Across 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Cold fusion has been replicated thousands of times in hundreds of labs, and ***conclusively verified*** by people such as Levi and Kullander. You are too enthusiastic. Even Hanno Essén said (on Italian's Skeptics Society

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Replicated thousands of times?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
peatbog peat...@teksavvy.com wrote: Cold fusion has been replicated thousands of times in hundreds of labs Straighten me out here, but I thought that the replications were one-off things that could not be reliably repeated, or the supposed OU from them was so small that it could be

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mattia Rizzi wrote: It's conclusive that you cannot get 25 kWh from a 50cm3. You can get that much power density from an electric heater element in a water heater, or from a chemical source, or from fission. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Are you reading me or not, jed? It's quite simple, jed. The statement Any chemical process for producing 25 kWh from any fuel in a 50 cm3 container can be ruled out. is TRUE, but that is not the point! The point is: Are we sure that the E-Cat has produced 25 kWh of heat? NO! Why? Because the

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mattia Rizzi wrote: It's conclusive that you cannot get 25 kWh from a 50cm3. Oops! I read that as 25 kW (power). I meant yes, you can get that kind of power from an electric heater and other sources We agree. You claim there was no 25 kWh. That's incorrect. They did check the water flow.

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant to say we agree this is beyond the limits of chemistry, but there is NO chance the flow rate changed by a factor of 133 and no one noticed. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Across 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: I find it closer to delusional than conclusive. These two Swedes are acting more like cheer-leaders than top scientists. Kullander is 'emeritus' and could be approaching senility . . . In my opinion, such ad hominem comments are inappropriate for this forum. There is

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Across 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Alexander Hollins
You do not say anything about the numbers. Insulting the people without talking about the numbers is worthless, and makes you look like a troll and an imbecile. Is there something wrong with the numbers they mentioned? Can you show math saying it IS possible to do with chemical energy?

RE: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Across 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Jones Beene wrote: I find it closer to delusional than conclusive. These two Swedes are acting more like cheer-leaders than top scientists. Kullander is 'emeritus' and could be approaching senility . . . JR: In my opinion, such ad hominem comments are inappropriate

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Across 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Their statement is either senile or idiotic, take your pick. Copper migration is well known, and no lucid physicist misses this point. Kullander misses it. Is he senile or stupid? I do not think that this much copper can migrate through stainless steel, so I doubt that

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Replicated thousands of times?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Another example of the close correlation between control factors and performance can be seen on page 18 here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/McKubreMCHcoldfusiona.pdf (Where it says, Electrodes made from the same lot of materials (Pd) produce consistent levels of excess heat.) These are

Re: [Vo]:The all-powerful NRC hypothesis

2011-04-29 Thread Axil Axil
It is a mistake to assume that government does the right thing in every instance. The concept “The government must have done that” cannot be assumed in every case. Could the blind disbelief in the possibility that cold fusion could be valid be so rampant throughout the science community within

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:50:37 -0400: Hi, [snip] . . . 0.11 gram hydrogen and 6 grams of nickel (assuming that we use one proton for each nickel atom) are about sufficient to produce 24 MWh through nuclear processes assuming that 8 MeV per reaction can be

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Angela Kemmler
Citation It is blatantly obvious that there is an ongoing deliberate and orchestrated attempt to stop the public becoming aware of Rossi's E-Cat, which when you set it against the backdrop of the recent Fukoshima nuclear disaster, makes the media silence all the more stark... Here in

Re: [Vo]:The all-powerful NRC hypothesis

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It is a mistake to assume that government does the right thing in every instance. WHO assumes that?!? Do you also assume that Microsoft programs never fail? And that Wall Street has your best interests at heart? Could the blind disbelief in the

[Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Angela Kemmler
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Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:25:01 -0400: Hi, [snip] I meant to say we agree this is beyond the limits of chemistry, but there is NO chance the flow rate changed by a factor of 133 and no one noticed. - Jed Actually that depends on whether the flow rate was

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:17:11 -0500: Hi, [snip] (Water parks - turn them into establishments that are open all year!), roads sidewalks, Please don't advocate stupid wastes of energy. Current known World Nickel reserves (140 million tons) are

Re: [Vo]:3 TVA Plants knocked offline by tornadoes

2011-04-29 Thread Harry Veeder
haha... hmmm ...actually the disaster at the Fukushima plant could have been prevented if one reactor was left running to temporarily power the all the plant's saftey backups. Harry   - Original Message From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri,

[Vo]:Again on possible hints for Rossi's secret catalyst

2011-04-29 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, In a recent interview in italian by Radio24, Francesco Celani mentioned that it is Yoshiaki Arata who first introduced in 2008 a few very important innovations in LENR research in order to increase Pd-D reactivity in a dry reactor cell (not using electrolysis). (for the record,

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Even if you do not check the rate there is chance a variation in the the flow rate could produce an error large enough to make 30 W look like 4,000 W. Oops. That should be ~300 W, not 30 W. It says: The electric heater was switched on at 10:25, and the meter reading was 1.5 amperes

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Actually that depends on whether the flow rate was measured with the device attached or not. Sure. I have seen that often enough with pond pumps. The thing is, I suppose any scientist would know that. As I said before, I am assuming these people are not stupid. But

Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Angela Kemmler wrote: Here in Germany, almost nobody cares about Rossi and his claims. I don’t wonder: there is no published article in any scientific journal and the test results are not very consistent (see my new thread about the 12.4 kW claims). There were about a dozen bloggers

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Angela Kemmler wrote: See this interesting discussion on a sceptic page in Sweden: http://www.e-catalyzer.se/viewtopic.php?f=2t=4#p11 It is a little hard for me to tell which section you are pointing to, but the part about the pump is incorrect. The flow rate was confirmed by leaving the

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 5:58 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Please don't advocate stupid wastes of energy. Current known World Nickel reserves (140 million tons) are only going to last us 100 years *at our current rate of use*. If we start wasting energy on stupid things like heating roads

Re: [Vo]:3 TVA Plants knocked offline by tornadoes

2011-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: haha... hmmm ...actually the disaster at the Fukushima plant could have been prevented if one reactor was left running to temporarily power the all the plant's saftey backups. Harry Yeah, well, that takes a plan,

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
The message below that from Ekstrom says: As the real water throughput was something around 0.6 * 12.1 = 7.3 l/hr, or 121 ml/min. . . . That is incorrect. The real water throughput was 292 ml/min, according to the weight scale and the water collected in the liter cylinder. These people

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: You keep ignoring the fact that with an ECat propulsion system, we can fetch water from comets and nickel from asteroids and get all the stuff we need. Actually, that is a valid point. When someone asked me about supplies of deuterium, I pointed out there is plenty in

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:41:47 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 5:58 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Please don't advocate stupid wastes of energy. Current known World Nickel reserves (140 million tons) are only going to last us 100 years *at our

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, that is a valid point. Of course it is! I'm not always joking. Well, did you see Princess Beatrice's hat? ROFLMAO! T attachment: Beatrice.jpg

RE: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Rossi was asked in January 2011 which type of pump was used, but could not or was not willing to tell the pump model. His response was clear. He said Levi brought the pump and the rest of the stuff, and he does not know a thing about it. That's

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: However I don't think roads will ever be heated anyway, because I expect lifter based air transport to take off in a big way, so roads may become largely redundant. I am hoping most roads will be put underground, and most commuting will be shortened or eliminated

Re: [Vo]:The all-powerful NRC hypothesis

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:35:55 -0400: Hi, [snip] The Cat-E secret must be considered as* Born secret* and *born classified*. Both terms which refer to a policy of information being classified from the moment of its inception, usually regardless of where it was being

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: used, but could not or was not willing to tell the pump model. His response was clear. He said Levi brought the pump and the rest of the stuff, and he does not know a thing about it. That's what he said on his blog, and what he told me. *I find that reassuring.* Do you

Re: [Vo]:The all-powerful NRC hypothesis

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:35:55 -0400: Hi, [snip] If U233 and PU-239 can be produced by the Cat-E, the secret of the Cat-E must be protected by the national espionage act and held as closely as any other atomic secret. Any violation of that secret must be punished

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: and Levi's has not presented his notes about the beginning and ending weight - which could have been simply human error - but yet it is nevertheless reassuring that so little firm evidence can be presented in support of extraordinary claims? Anything might be human

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Well, did you see Princess Beatrice's hat? Mercury can't possibly do that, even with Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter. It takes lysergic acid diethylamide. Thank you Albert Hofmann. T

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Robin: (Water parks - turn them into establishments that are open all year!), roads sidewalks, Please don't advocate stupid wastes of energy. Current known World Nickel reserves (140 million tons) are only going to last us 100 years *at our current rate of use*. If we start wasting

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:00:42 -0400: Hi, [snip] I am hoping most roads will be put underground, and most commuting will be shortened or eliminated with telecommunications and satellite offices close to home. I think putting roads underground is far too

RE: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell and Levi has not presented his notes about the beginning and ending weight - which could have been simply human error - but yet it is nevertheless reassuring that so little firm evidence can be presented in support of extraordinary claims?

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:24 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I think putting roads underground is far too expensive, so I doubt that will happen either (except perhaps here and there in large cities). As a former employee of Parsons Brinckerhoff, I agree, in the short term. However, there's

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:16:51 -0500: Hi, [snip] From Robin: (Water parks - turn them into establishments that are open all year!), roads sidewalks, Please don't advocate stupid wastes of energy. Current known World Nickel reserves (140

[Vo]:Restricted Munitions List Raney Nickel, Guess Why!

2011-04-29 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
The US List of restricted items that are restricted for export, or even disclosing the details of manufacture includes Raney Nickel and similar substances. Fran I have long speculated that weak radioactive elements can be made to decay much faster with substance containing many Casimir

RE: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton I think putting roads underground is far too expensive, so I doubt that will happen either (except perhaps here and there in large cities). As a former employee of Parsons Brinckerhoff, I agree, in the short term. However, there's the Big Dig.

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:00:21 +1000: Hi, [snip] $12/lb). That would likely mean a considerable increase in economically winnable reserves, and I have no idea by how much. Note that if we could extract all the Nickel from the top 1 km of the land then we

RE: [Vo]:Restricted Munitions List Raney Nickel, Guess Why!

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
From: Wm. Scott Smith * While we are on the subject, one could get the sort of heat they are talking about by accelerating the decay of isotopes that are not even very radioactive, normally. For example Thorium is many times less radioactive than U235 or Plutonium. Yes indeed. And were

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: JR: Anything might be human error. But noting changes on a weight scale is easy. I do not think human error is likely in this instance. Given a well known corollary to Murphy's Law that the probability of an error is inversely proportional to the

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:05:00 -0700: Hi, [snip] Why would not some form of subsurface robotic tunneling for roads - in the future history of cheap LANR power, be almost as cheap? ..because the same robots could still build a surface road cheaper (and much

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Why would not some form of subsurface robotic tunneling for roads - in the future history of cheap LANR power, be almost as cheap? Now we have all these silly ventilation requirements: CFMs, CO detectors, filtration,

Re: [Vo]:Restricted Munitions List Raney Nickel, Guess Why!

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:20:45 -0700: Hi, [snip] Yes indeed. And were you aware that there are only four elements in the periodic table which are heavier (in a.m.u.) than the next element above them in the table? Which 4? Looking at average isotope mass, I can't

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message From: mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com However I don't think roads will ever be heated anyway, because I expect lifter based air transport to take off in a big way, so roads may become largely redundant. (lifters are less energy efficient than fixed wing

Re: [Vo]:Restricted Munitions List Raney Nickel, Guess Why!

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:49:03 +1000: Hi, [snip] In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:20:45 -0700: Hi, [snip] Yes indeed. And were you aware that there are only four elements in the periodic table which are heavier (in a.m.u.) than the

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: If he were still using copper, why would he say it is stainless steel? Duh! Of course he would lie about it. He does not want replication but does like to be in the Media Spotlight, so he tries to act like he is being forthright, on occasion. Again,

[Vo]:Jones If an inventor had Tellurium----Who?????

2011-04-29 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
Jones If an inventor had TelluriumWho? From: jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Restricted Munitions List Raney Nickel, Guess Why! Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:20:45 -0700 From: Wm. Scott Smith Ø While we are on the subject, one

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:50:24 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] ...where we're going we don't need roads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BPxF1mLYFM :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

RE: [Vo]:Jones If an inventor had Tellurium----Who?????

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
From: Wm. Scott Smith Subject: [Vo]:Jones If an inventor had TelluriumWho? Jones If an inventor had TelluriumWho? http://www.docstoc.com/docs/54760973/Thermoelectric-Generators---Patent-6620 994 :-)

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Why would not some form of subsurface robotic tunneling for roads - in the future history of cheap LANR power, be almost as cheap? ..because the same robots could still build a surface road cheaper (and much faster). I discussed this in the book. Cost and speed

[Vo]:Patience

2011-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
Need: 3 scouts (one mule, one driver, one narrator) Two scouts enter (one on all fours if conditions allow) and move across stage as the skit proceeds. One is the mule and the other is the driver. A narrator stands just offstage. Narrator: In the heat of the Mojave Desert, the mule driver pushes

Re: [Vo]:Jones If an inventor had Tellurium----Who?????

2011-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
Hook, line and sinker . . .

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
Ya gotta read Jed's book about the chickens . . . http://www.lenr-canr.org/BookBlurb.htm

RE: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell JB - I would never have guessed it would get to this on a forum which is supposed to be focused on finding the truth. Sad. JR. You are certain it is the truth that Kullander is senile? That is not what I said. I am certain that he claimed the Rossi reaction was

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:37:20 -0400: Hi Fran, [snip] Robin , I made the mistake of starting from the bottom of the email replies - your position that the ash is roughly proportional would have balanced Scott Smith's position that there is far too

Re: [Vo]:Patience

2011-04-29 Thread Terry Blanton
This would not happen with a camel.

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:01:26 -0400: Hi, [snip] All your points are interesting, and as I said, I can see underground roads being of some importance in large cities, and perhaps with time in smaller cities too, however before they reach the point where the

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: JR. You are certain it is the truth that Kullander is senile? That is not what I said. I am certain that he claimed the Rossi reaction was nuclear because an extraordinary amount of copper was found. Here is what you said:

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:12:49 -0700: Hi, [snip] I am certain that this means that the copper CANNOT be the result of a nuclear process. ..it could be if Rossi enhanced the Ni62/64 isotopes as he claims to have done. (however I must admit that I find Rossi's claim

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com The bottom line IMO is that we will just have to wait till more definitive and independent info becomes available. Robin, Exactamundo. This is precisely why I think that yesterday's announcement of NASA throwing its hat into the Ni-H ring is

RE: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Robin, Good detailed analysis. Thanks for the fiddley bits. Much to ponder there. ... I always pass judgment on everything, don't you? :) As do I. I just try to keep'em to myself. Needless to say, I don't always succeed in that department. Please don't take offence, none was intended,

RE: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez: ... ... We will have a billion robots sitting around anyway, or 10 billion if we want. Why not put them to work? Until they all unionize! We Wisconsinites can probably supply those robots with some good tips. We're still working on our own collective bargaining matter. At present we

RE: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell * but if it turns out the copper has natural isotopes and yet it is a transmutation product . . . that will be a fact, and you will be wrong. Right . and if frogs grow wings they will not bump their butts on every leap. Do you realize how silly you are

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin wrote: In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:12:49 -0700: Hi, [snip] I am certain that this means that the copper CANNOT be the result of a nuclear process. ..it could be if Rossi enhanced the Ni62/64 isotopes as he claims to have done. (however I must

Re: [Vo]:97 E-CATS in Operation at 4 sites

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: All your points are interesting, and as I said, I can see underground roads being of some importance in large cities, and perhaps with time in smaller cities too, however before they reach the point where the concept would be extended to major continental highways, I

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:50:57 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] hmmm...If the copper results from migration rather than from transmutation the contents of the reactor would weigh relatively more than you would expect from transmutation. Harry That depends on what you

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Ø but if it turns out the copper has natural isotopes and yet it is a transmutation product . . . that will be a fact, and you will be wrong. Right … and if frogs grow wings they will not bump their butts on every leap. Do you realize how

Re: [Vo]:The 12.4 kW claims of january 14 wrong?

2011-04-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I am certain that this means that the copper CANNOT be the result of a nuclear process. ..it could be if Rossi enhanced the Ni62/64 isotopes as he claims to have done. (however I must admit that I find Rossi's claim a bit far fetched.) I find it far fetched too.

Re: [Vo]:Again on possible hints for Rossi's secret catalyst

2011-04-29 Thread Axil Axil
If Zr were present in the catalyst, It would have been found in the ash. It has not. On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: Hello group, In a recent interview in italian by Radio24, Francesco Celani mentioned that it is Yoshiaki Arata who first

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