Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy on Hi-Temp Superconductivity LENR

2012-09-12 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Thanks, Lou. In Larsen's slide 8, he wonders: Just before 'going nuclear', does 'patch' become an evanescent HTSC? Now these fractal HTSC links you have provided discuss behaviors that occur on scales vastly larger than nanoscale, but smaller than bulk materials. In either case, we might have a

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy on Hi-Temp Superconductivity LENR

2012-09-12 Thread Axil Axil
The Shukla-Eliasson (SE) force is one of the main actors in cold fusion. The other is charge screening which is the triggering process . Also high electric charge concentration produces degenerate electrons. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1209.0914 Clustering of Ions at Atomic-Dimensions in Quantum

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Terry Blanton
I agree Eric; but, I use wikipedia a little differently from most. I use it as a reference source, rarely quoting wiki together because the truth is volatile there; but, the reference base at the bottom of the articles is a treasure trove. T

RE: [Vo]:New paper on cavitation/sonofusion

2012-09-12 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil Axil Doesn't LeClair's cavatation patent take the Quantum Potential Corporation out of the fusion from cavitation business? LeClair's IP is a joke. Below is the important prior art in sonofusion, all of them building on the original Flynn patent from

RE: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Jones Beene
Terry, Eric You ever open a Sampler box of Godiva or other fine chocolates and find that are a few that you do not like as well as the rest... Most are close to heaven, of course ... Wiki is like that. You pass over the one or two that you do not favor (i.e. cherry-filled) and savor the rest.

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy on Hi-Temp Superconductivity LENR

2012-09-12 Thread fznidarsic
- proposes that high temp superconductivity may develop in surface plasmons when very high (10^11 V/m) E-field gradients develop at the interface between collectively oscillating electrons and collectively oscillating protons. snip They are getting closer. Next they must dump the neutrons

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate the sentiment. But I'll place myself on record for thinking that Wikipedia is incredible. It is one of the handiest things to come about in the last ten or so years. The Model T Ford was also incredible. It was wonderful breakthrough

Re: [Vo]:New paper on cavitation/sonofusion

2012-09-12 Thread Terry Blanton
Wow! Our former Vort, Ross Tessian, has quite a bit of IP there! For new comers, Ross used to post here and one day said, I'm going to go off and start a company, and he did. How long ago, Jones? Y2K? T

RE: [Vo]:New paper on cavitation/sonofusion

2012-09-12 Thread Jones Beene
Last I heard, Ross was no longer at Impulse Devices, although another report says he returned after an absence. They have a decent web presence, but since no one can yet make a living from LENR alone - they are into many other things like sonochemistry (to pay the bills).

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion

2012-09-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:04 PM 9/9/2012, Jouni Valkonen wrote: On 10 September 2012 02:52, Jed Rothwell mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.comjedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: You do not need to satisfy people. You need to report the replicated, peer-reviewed facts of the matter. Science is not a popularity contest. That

Re: [Vo]:New paper on cavitation/sonofusion

2012-09-12 Thread Ron Wormus
Aren't LeClair's claims completely unsubstantiated? Ron --On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:20 AM -0400 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't LeClair's cavatation patent take the Quantum Potential Corporation out of the fusion from cavitation business?   Cheers:   Axil On Tue, Sep

[Vo]:New Miley Patent

2012-09-12 Thread pagnucco
Courtesy of LENR Forum - Follow links at - http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?t=569p=2283 U.S. Patent No. US 8,227,020 July 24, 2012 ABSTRACT: Techniques to form dislocation cores along an interface of a multilayer thin film structure are described. The loading and/or deloading of

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Harry Veeder
refer-a-pedia wiki-ference On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I agree Eric; but, I use wikipedia a little differently from most. I use it as a reference source, rarely quoting wiki together because the truth is volatile there; but, the reference base at

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Harry Veeder
Perhaps all the very controversial subjects from the current wikipedia should be removed and placed in a distinct wikipedia dedicated to very controversial subjects. harry On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, Wikipedia is good for some things

[Vo]:nuclear physicist as dutch prime minister?

2012-09-12 Thread Andre Blum
Hi, Just to inform you: it is election day in the Netherlands. Polls show that either the PvdA (moderate socialist party) or VVD (liberals) will get out as the biggest. Leader of the PvdA is Diederik Samsom, who was a nuclear physicist and was an active member of Greenpeace. See

Re: [Vo]:nuclear physicist as dutch prime minister?

2012-09-12 Thread Andre Blum
BTW: I was looking for the right words. PvdA would be called a social-democratic party (labour). Disregard socialist. On 09/12/2012 01:21 PM, Andre Blum wrote: Hi, Just to inform you: it is election day in the Netherlands. Polls show that either the PvdA (moderate socialist party) or VVD

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps all the very controversial subjects from the current wikipedia should be removed and placed in a distinct wikipedia dedicated to very controversial subjects. I do not think that will happen. The Wikipedia management would not agree. I do not

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy on Hi-Temp Superconductivity LENR

2012-09-12 Thread David L Babcock
For any here puzzled- Pointing out the obvious: If, while temperature is rising, some increasing portion of a resistive conductor becomes superconductive, the overall resistance of the entire conductor will decrease. If this decrease exceeds an increase which temperature rise is causing at the

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy on Hi-Temp Superconductivity LENR

2012-09-12 Thread Axil Axil
This increase in conductivity is casued by the formation of cooper pairs of protons through the action of thr Shukla-Eliasson Attractive Force. See my last post - Friedel oscillations Cheers: Axil On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.comwrote: For any here

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion has been suppressed -- no evidence for a conspiracy

2012-09-12 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Jed, I am quite neutral on that. Wheter it is Gerischer or Brian Josephson, or even Laughlin, whom I admire. Their opinion does not matter substantially. Those are fringe-opinions, which do not influence mainstream science a lot. They eventually are heard by people like You and me, but that's it.

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps all the very controversial subjects from the current wikipedia should be removed and placed in a distinct wikipedia dedicated to very controversial subjects. I do not

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy on Hi-Temp Superconductivity LENR

2012-09-12 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Also if you go to the later slides in the presentation Lou originally posted, there is some mention of experimental evidence for something like non-monotonic resistivity - it may be described as wild swings (?) on the slide). I haven't searched the archive for the reference(s). Jeff On Wed, Sep

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I think contributors to a controversial subject must self-identify as either pro or con. That way readers can *immediately* see from the user name on which side of the controversy each contributor stands. Exactly. To simplify: Just have signed

Re: [Vo]:Friedel oscillations

2012-09-12 Thread pagnucco
Axil, Your URL reference was clipped. www.physics.uiowa.edu/.../EPSICPP_2012_Talk_Merlino.ppt Were you referring to one of the figures in -- Dusty plasmas: Experiments on nonlinear dust acoustic waves, shocks, and structures http://www.physics.uiowa.edu/~rmerlino/EPS_ICPP_2012_PPFC_MS.pdf -- ?

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy on Hi-Temp Superconductivity LENR

2012-09-12 Thread pagnucco
David, I agree. If the resistance fluctuates under constant potential, transient superconductivity, or ballistic conduction may be occuring. If the resistance follows the same deterministic non-monotonic path each time the voltage is swept, then maybe something like Esaki-diode (differential)

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: If the subject is controversial, you can [have] two articles, one by supporters, and one by opponents. Why not? This is against the rules in Wikipedia. They insist that people reach a compromise taking into accounts all points of view. They want one and only one article per topic.

Re: [Vo]:Friedel oscillations

2012-09-12 Thread Axil Axil
Lou, your link will work. Try this link to get to the PPT I intended.

[Vo]:Peswiki Sterling Allen Report : Self-looped infinite COP ecat ?

2012-09-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
http://pesn.com/2012/09/11/9602180_2012_E-Cat_Conference_Report--1_MW_E-Cat_Ready/ (plus other links). Biggest news/ leak is : A little secret I'll let you in on is that Rossi does have self-looped data for the Hot-Cat, but chose not to release that at this time. Self-looped is effectively

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
2012/9/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I think contributors to a controversial subject must self-identify as either pro or con. That way readers can *immediately* see from the user name on which side of the controversy each contributor stands.

Re: [Vo]:Peswiki Sterling Allen Report : Self-looped infinite COP ecat ?

2012-09-12 Thread Peter Gluck
If it is true, it is great. If... Peter On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://pesn.com/2012/09/11/**9602180_2012_E-Cat_Conference_** Report--1_MW_E-Cat_Ready/http://pesn.com/2012/09/11/9602180_2012_E-Cat_Conference_Report--1_MW_E-Cat_Ready/ (plus other

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
in fact I've heard of wikipedia spitrit in the old time : it was to express reasonable opinion, all reasonable opinions, with reference data, show controversies, ... but on some subject I follow I've see that peer-reviewed but non mainstream point of view get thrown out by ideological non

Re: [Vo]:New Miley Patent

2012-09-12 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
http://www.google.com/patents?id=WhIgAgAAEBAJpg=PA1lpg=PA1dq=%22Low+Energy+Nuclear+Reaction%22source=blots=Xuf1yRH2vBsig=142QFcoB_2WmhjeCiLVn9AuUGlUhl=ensa=Xei=qEROUKH4JsjSrQHKmIGoBwved=0CD4Q6AEwBQgoback=.gde_4132340_member_161859049#v=onepageqf=false Isn't this sort of big deal? Not so much

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: If the subject is controversial, you can [have] two articles, one by supporters, and one by opponents. Why not? This is against the rules in Wikipedia. They insist that people reach a compromise taking into

Re: [Vo]:1MW Escrow Account?

2012-09-12 Thread James Bowery
From PESNhttp://pesn.com/2012/09/11/9602180_2012_E-Cat_Conference_Report--1_MW_E-Cat_Ready/ : One third of the $1.5 million price is paid up front, and two thirds is paid after a successful performance test; and if the performance test doesn't meet the specifications, then the deposit is

[Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

2012-09-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Sterling Allen also posted a link to a video http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Rohner%27s_Noble_Gas_Engine#Plasma_Cycle_is_Not_Air_Driven A 1-cylinder Papp is assembled from scratch, charged with gas and operated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-coQ84XU The cylinder fires against

Re: [Vo]:How can the Wikipedia process be so good if does not work?

2012-09-12 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The main problems are that it allows anonymous editing, and it has no respect for authorities in complicated, specialized subjects. I hope that it is reformed, or -- if it is not -- that some competing encyclopedia arises.

Re: [Vo]:Peswiki Sterling Allen Report : Self-looped infinite COP ecat ?

2012-09-12 Thread David Roberson
I agree Peter. I do not see any hint of strong positive thermal feedback in the data from the meeting. It would have been better for Rossi to have skipped revealing this data entirely since it does little to support his claims. My simulations make me question whether or not there is any

Re: [Vo]:New Miley Patent

2012-09-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Berkowitz wrote: Isn't this sort of big deal? Not so much because of what the patent covers, but because the USPTO actually granted it? Claim 11, for example, specifically mentions charged particles and x-rays. Yes, it is a big deal. I don't know what to make of it. Perhaps the P.O.

[Vo]:New press release on fractal graphite hi-temp superconductivity

2012-09-12 Thread pagnucco
Tom Andersen just sent me this new press release on hi-temp 'fractal' superconductivity - Room Temperature Superconductivity Found in Graphite Grains Water-soaked grains of carbon superconduct at room temperature, claim a team of physicists from Germany

[Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-12 Thread Harry Veeder
This blog called Shut down Rossi can't find any evidence that safety certificate was issue by SGS as Rossi claims. http://shutdownrossi.com/?page_id=1774 I suppose it is possible that the certificate was issued under a different company name because SGS only confirms that a certificate was not

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-12 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Harry: This blog called Shut down Rossi can't find any evidence that safety certificate was issue by SGS as Rossi claims. http://shutdownrossi.com/?page_id=1774 this is hilarious. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. How many wannabe rossi related websites are there now? Regards Steven

Re: [Vo]:Peswiki Sterling Allen Report : Self-looped infinite COP ecat ?

2012-09-12 Thread Terry Blanton
One likely reason for Rossi holding back on that data is that the present stipulation of the safety certification requires that the unit not be self-looped. :-) T

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: This blog called Shut down Rossi can't find any evidence that safety certificate was issue by SGS as Rossi claims. This person has it in for Rossi, doesn't he? Rossi rubs people the wrong way. Why worry about Rossi? Who has he hurt, other than himself? If he is all that

Re: [Vo]:New Miley Patent

2012-09-12 Thread Daniel Rocha
This should give Rossi much more confidence to show his invention... if it was not for his totally confusing writing. 2012/9/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Jeff Berkowitz wrote: Isn't this sort of big deal? Not so much because of what the patent covers, but because the USPTO actually

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

2012-09-12 Thread James Bowery
As I previously reported here at vortex-l, Bob is claiming no coil is required. This video demonstrates it. I think it also places in serious doubt the ring electromagnet hypothesishttp://pesn.com/2012/08/24/9602167_Noble_Gas_Plasma_or_Aluminum_Ring_Electromagnet/ posited by Sterling Allen.

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

2012-09-12 Thread James Bowery
I now see the link to Wes's retraction on Sterling Allen's page. http://pesn.com/2012/08/24/9602167_Noble_Gas_Plasma_or_Aluminum_Ring_Electromagnet/#retraction On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:55 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: As I previously reported here at vortex-l, Bob is claiming no

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

2012-09-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
One can also figure out how to operate their microwave at home with the door open if they are tricky enough but i would advise against it. On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote: As I previously reported here at vortex-l, Bob is claiming no coil is required. This video

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

2012-09-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:46 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: One can also figure out how to operate their microwave at home with the door open if they are tricky enough but i would advise against it. Unless you like cataracts. T

Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.

2012-09-12 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-09-12 23:04, Harry Veeder wrote: I suppose it is possible that the certificate was issued under a different company name because SGS only confirms that a certificate was not issued to any of the companies listed by the owner of Shut down Rossi I would say it's highly probable that the

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

2012-09-12 Thread James Bowery
After carefully considering the consequences of your theories, I most certainly would never operate my microwave at home with the door open -- it would let the gremlins out. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:46 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: One can also figure out how to operate their

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

2012-09-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
Smart man. I get the impression Papp was much brighter than the Rohner Bros. On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote: After carefully considering the consequences of your theories, I most certainly would never operate my microwave at home with the door open -- it would let the

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

2012-09-12 Thread James Bowery
John is using a coil. Bob is using a metallic casing. But no matter. The gremlins can sense when their dark lord, Josef Papp, is present, and they cower in fearful submission heading straight to the Earth's core rather than toward his pancreas. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:16 PM, ChemE Stewart

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

2012-09-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
Even so I believe I will wait for Popper ver. 2.0 after SRI figures out the true nature of the beast. On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote: John is using a coil. Bob is using a metallic casing. But no matter. The gremlins can sense when their dark lord, Josef Papp, is