On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
No matter how strongly you believe in the phenomenon of LENR, and I’m
firmly in that camp – bad actors should be weeded out. Rossi is a bad actor
here ...
This is the same conclusion that Krivit has come to, and that
Interesting point Eric. The materials needed to build an ECAT are in enormous
quantities within the Earth. A small reaction here, another there, and so on
can add up to a tremendous effect when considering the entire world.
To obtain a calibration, I have read that the rate of fusion energy
If a polariton condensate is in place throughout the E-Cat, the 900 watts
of electrical heat pumping from external power would be evenly distributed
throughout the total volume of the reactor. Under the influence of
Polariton condensation, the temperature of the reactor's total volume
would be
http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/?p=394
The Big Banks are Certainly Paying Attention to the E-Cat
While looking in the logs after publishing the E-Cat report I found out
that within minutes it was downloaded by an IP number owned by Blackrock.
Within minutes after that oil futures started to
Hi Bob,
I've been very busy for the last year and have not had the time to partake
in the lively discussions in the Collective, and with the added publicity
that vortex-l has had (thanks to Mark Gibbs and others) the quality of the
discussions has definitely increased significantly. we've also
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2834452/data-center/
lockheed-martins-cfr-a-hot-fusion-breakthrough-for-power-generation.html
It seems to me that a major weakness of the new Lockheed Martin skunkworks
reactor design is the
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Robert Dorr rod...@comcast.net wrote:
I've been thinking of tungsten for a while now. Do they make an alloy with
tungsten that operates at high temps in an oxygen atmosphere. I ask
because, although the tungsten that is embedded in the reactor would be
I wrote:
I note that kanthal super, referred to by Bob Higgins elsewhere, appears to
be used in some cases under a normal atmosphere: ...
It now occurs to me why the alumina tubes might have been used in the
Lugano test:
http://lenr.qumbu.com/web_hotcat_pics/141011_lugano_fig12a.jpg
The
When I read Beaudette key page, I thing that like dinosaurs they did not
evolve since 1989
Unfortunately, *physicists did not generally claim expertise in
calorimetry*, the measurement of calories of heat energy. Nor did they
countenance clever chemists declaring hypotheses about nuclear physics.
yes Eric,
I notice many critics just show that many people cannor manage uncertainty,
unknown, the phi 1/0...
there have to thing with a prediction scenario, not with alternative
stories that they weight as more or less credible.
moreover they cannot backtrack, like a prolog engine can do... they
Eric--
I, like you do not think the design as described is truly a hot fusion reactor
with attendant fast neutrons. Where is the neutron shielding and what about
the shielding for activated stainless steel etc.?
They suggest it is Hot Fusion but I'll bet it is really hot LENR akin to
Rossi's
Mark--
My suggestion is that the physics of hot fusion like in the sun is not going to
be very applicable to the understanding of LENR solid state systems where there
are more than 2 or 3 particles connected in a coherent QM system. It is my
conclusion that with respect to doing detailed
James--
I agree with your conclusion about the pseudo-skeptics.
I would only add that Rossi and IH probably hope the pseudo-skeptics keep it up
and impede the flow of money to competing LENR companies.
Bob Cook
- Original Message -
From: James Bowery
To: vortex-l
Sent:
Maybe Rossi cools his Inconel this way :-)
United States Patent Application 20140301517
McGuire; Thomas JohnOctober 9, 2014
--
“Active Cooling of Structures Immersed in Plasma”
Abstract
A fusion reactor includes an enclosure having a first end,
Other patent applications which are relevant to the LM “breakthrough” are:
20140301518 McGuire, Thomas John October 9, 2014
Magnetic Field Plasma Confinement for Compact *Fusion* Power
Abstract
In one embodiment, a *fusion* reactor includes a plurality of internal
magnetic coils
Harry--
I just read an item yesterday in Infinite Energy Sept 2014 issue that the
Earth is expanding with a delta r of about 22 mm per year. The explanations
did not include the idea that the expansion was due to increasing internal
temperatures and the thermal expansion associated with the
Mark, Bob
You caught my attention with the reference to polaritons.
There is a group at Stanford, previously mentioned, which is at the
forefront of the SPP field
https://web.stanford.edu/group/yamamotogroup/research/EP/EP_main.html
Fran will take notice of the reference to
Dave--
In a month's time I have had about 75 Vortex-l emails sent to Junk mail by my
hotmail system. It's not uncommon. I check junk mail routinely and have to
make transfers to my inbox.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent:
Eric--
I had the same idea about the heat production of the earth. See my recent
comment about 15 minutes ago.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Greenhouse HotCat
On Thu, Oct
Dave--
My experience in the design of fission reactors includes the fact that some
energy produced by the fissioning of U is lost to the outside of the fuel
element and does not contribute to the internal temperature. This is true for
fast neutron energies, and much of the gamma energy
Eric--
Well said.
Bob
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From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
No matter
Jones-
These comments are good and constructive to understanding LENR.
Axil's minimum estimate of temperature may be too high. I do not think it fits
Rossi's reactor operating conditions by about 100C degrees.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Researchers all borrow from each other and when your competition is a major
corporation you better hope you did your patent homework properly. Not that I
would care at this point because Rossi and Mills will just keep playing with
themselves for years while LM involvement is why oil stocks are
Rossi had now shown that he can get COP3. Why doesn't he use that and
build an ecat out of that? Show it inside a black box with some extra
output, say 500W for several months. It will certainly destroy any doubt
concerning his invention and will not reveal any trade secret he has.
--
Daniel
It is not clear from the report exactly how much ash was extracted from the
reactor. In the SEM of the 2 ash particles on page 45 in Appendix 3,
particle 2 is silica - known to be in the grain boundaries of alumina. In
96% alumina, there are 4% of other oxides and and in 99.8% alumina, there
are
I believe a book has been written about this. It was handed out at
ILENR-12 at William Mary College. It may have been written by Bob Pike.
I posited that many of the minerals found at plate boundaries were created
via LENR as I recall.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:07 AM, David Roberson
Bob Cook here--
I recently received 2 emails dated August 5, 2014 from Jackharbach O'Sullivan
about vaccines for most anything. It looks like Vortex-l was involved in their
distribution. Does anyone know about this person or received the same email.s?
I have not opened either email which
Bob,
I understand your point that there may not be a substantial rise in temperature
within the active core provided the energy is released in a form other than
direct thermal energy. This concept appears quite sound and may in fact be
operating within the HotCat.
The best case scenario
Take care, the antivaccine guys are the most ferocious
trolls of the Web as dangerous as the crazy honey badgers.
Even no hate groups can be compared with the antivaccine gng.
I have edited 8 years a web search journals and know the situation.
Delete it at least twice.
Peter
On Fri, Oct 17,
it is too late.
there are already serious guys, like Elforsk who know that their old
business is dead,already... question is when.
some even sell insurance to be in the game not too late.
2014-10-17 15:18 GMT+02:00 Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com:
James--
I agree with your conclusion about
Eric--
You wrote the following some time ago:
- Original Message -
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:17 AM, frobertcook frobertc...@hotmail.com
Dear Vortex-l,
I found these papers from Young K. Bae, published recently in Physics
Letters A and Results in Physics, to be of tremendous interest and potential
relevance to the phenomena we are witnessing in the E-Cat and possibly other
LENR reactions.
(I note that these whole papers can be
Dave--
I agree with your comments. It occurred to me that the potential for increased
power may have to due with different resonant frequencies provided by the
magnetic field to effect better coupling.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sonic bubble collapse experiments at Oak Ridge Lab and PNNL have produced
fusion in a cold condition. Tritium has been observed. The research has
not be supported very well however. They remind me of the
MIMS--ballotechnics also.
Bob Cook
- Original Message -
From: Robert Ellefson
Greetings Vortex-L,
I see that Scientific American is giving space to Lockheed X-Fusion
Reactor.:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lockheed-claims-breakthrough-on-fusion-energy1/
A USPTO patent search does not seem to reveal any interesting technology.
Alsopartneringdoes this
Eric--
I think the test we are talking about is more likely to accept thermoelectric
couples on the outside of the alumina vessel for direct electrical power
generation than a steam generation system. Steam and water make the
engineering of a heat to electricity conversion harder. That's
Bob,
Because Dr. Bae was aligned with the amazing Winterberg, and has significant
funding, we had hoped that he would have something big to show by now.
But this class of chemical reactions points the way to many unexplainable
phenomena in LENR, where the reaction looks like chemistry except
Ron,
Earlier I post the patent application numbers. They are in the name of the
inventor, so they do not turn up in a search for LM.
From: Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L,
I see that Scientific American is giving space to Lockheed X-Fusion Reactor.:
In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 17 Oct 2014 02:07:30 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
To obtain a calibration, I have read that the rate of fusion energy being
generated within the sun is about the same as the amount of heat generated by
your body in watts per kilogram.
[snip]
Sun:- 0.183
/. just posted a story debunking cold fusion
Have at it, men and Ruby!
http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/10/17/2231236/the-physics-of-why-cold-fusion-isnt-real
Mod this up:
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5842595cid=48173021
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:37 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
/. just posted a story debunking cold fusion
Have at it, men and Ruby!
Closing the loop with a hot side temperature of 1200C and a COP of 3, is
right on the very edge of possible...
You need close to 50% of theoretical carnot efficiency...
100C cold 1200C hot gives carnot of 0.76
Best possible heat to mechanical work.. (3*.76) = 2.28
Best possible Work to
Well...guess your body is a much better generator of heat than the sun. I
don't recall where I read that they were close, but your figures suggest that
the sun is no match.
The ratio that you found may imply that I should have said a dead body!
Dave
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From:
So, Rossi would get 700W or so as a minimum for output.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Well it got modded up to the max of 5 for enough time -- then the opposing
forces came in and knocked it down to 1.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:46 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Mod this up:
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5842595cid=48173021
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at
Bruce Perens just bet me 10,000 to one odds that no credible commercially
utilized cold fusion by 2024. I of course accepted his generous and
honorable bet. If only the scum responsible for its suppression would put
their money where their mouths were. But then, no amount of fine can make
up for
In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:03:00 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Bruce Perens just bet me 10,000 to one odds that no credible commercially
utilized cold fusion by 2024.
Cold Fusion, or LENR?
I of course accepted his generous and
honorable bet. If only the scum responsible for
I don't know why Rossi doesn't do this. I think he must hardly have any
ingenuity - or the scientists/engineers that are in a position to advise
him! (Or you could think of more insulting terms).
To convert the output heat to electricity, and then convert it back to
input heat would have to
He can try to weasel if he wants, but once a commercial device is on the
market with beyond chemical energy production based on anything resembling
cold fusion, it will be time for people other than me to trumpet Perens's
failure to pay.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:15 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Did you read/understand Paul's analysis?
This is impractical and maybe impossible unless he can improve efficiency.
Carnot conversion just isn't great enough to turn the heat into usable
electricity.
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:24 PM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote:
I don't know why Rossi
On 18/10/2014 10:30 AM, John Berry wrote:
Did you read/understand Paul's analysis?
I didn't need to! Did you read/understand mine!?
This is impractical and maybe impossible unless he can improve efficiency.
Carnot conversion just isn't great enough to turn the heat into usable
electricity.
Active cooling would work as well as active heating so you don't need to
worry about carnot efficiency. Start it up and then keep it just hot
enough by pumping a liquid, under controlled rates, with an appropriately
high boiling point and decent specific heat and conductivity through the
system
On 18/10/2014 10:51 AM, James Bowery wrote:
Active cooling would work as well as active heating so you don't need
to worry about carnot efficiency. Start it up and then keep it just
hot enough by pumping a liquid, under controlled rates, with an
appropriately high boiling point and decent
I think vapor alone could do it. Make it pass through a turbine and cool it
down the stream down to 100C and heat it again. It is how it is done in
nuclear power plants.
2014-10-17 23:51 GMT-03:00 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com:
Active cooling would work as well as active heating so you don't
I have run a number of simulations on my ECAT model and have found a simple
rule of thumb that Rossi or others wanting to replicate his design can use to
ensure stable operation. It is possible to violate the rule during a
fractional time period when a carefully designed PWM drive is
James, we expect you to share your new wealth with the rest of us. :-)
Dave
-Original Message-
From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 17, 2014 10:03 pm
Subject: [Vo]:$10,000 bet against cold fusion on /.
Bruce Perens just bet me
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:45 PM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote:
On 18/10/2014 10:30 AM, John Berry wrote:
Did you read/understand Paul's analysis?
I didn't need to! Did you read/understand mine!?
No, only the first line. Touche.
Now I have I confess I do not know enough about the
I believe that the record shows that an ECAT went into thermal run away in the
earlier testing by the scientists. Is that not adequate to prove the point?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: jwinter jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 17, 2014
We discussed that earlier as an alternative. At the time the operating
temperatures were quite a bit lower.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 17, 2014 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a
Yes, it is.
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 5:03 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I believe that the record shows that an ECAT went into thermal run away in
the earlier testing by the scientists. Is that not adequate to prove the
point?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: jwinter
This assumes insulating it will have no adverse effect on the new fire,
but excessive insulation could extinguish it.
A good test to perform on the Hotcat would be to add the insulation *after*
start up.
Harry
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:24 PM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote:
I don't know why
Inflation adjusted?
2014-10-17 23:03 GMT-03:00 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com:
Bruce Perens just bet me 10,000 to one odds that no credible commercially
utilized cold fusion by 2024. I of course accepted his generous and
honorable bet. If only the scum responsible for its suppression would
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Do you know if the experiments looked at excited spin energy states that
may be possible at higher spin quanta?
Unfortunately I don't have any other details and don't know of a particular
experiment to refer to. Here
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:00 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
If no fusion occurred it should be a 100% efficient conversion to heat, so
now with the energy of fusion, shouldn't it be overunity as a heater? Well
obviously yes unless energy is vanishing.
In a sense, a cold fusion
David sez:
James, we expect you to share your new wealth with the rest of us. :-)
Dave
Buy me a tea pot.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks
Thanks James. Here is my comment in /.
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5842595op=Replythreshold=1commentsort=0mode=threadpid=48174219
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:52 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Well it got modded up to the max of 5 for enough time -- then the
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:31 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Thanks for the heads up Harry. I wonder if others on the list are seeing
my new topics being sent to spam.
The question that I am asking is whether or not there are clues to the
behavior of the temperature and power
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