Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
The radar pulse rate does not effect the penetration into the water. In other words, the 200 to 1000 Hz rate is applied to the carrier and does not independently appear anywhere else. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com

[Vo]:a special issue of EGO OUT

2015-07-07 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, It is my privilege to publish this: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/07/a-bright-study-of-nuclear-otherness.html Please understand that Otherness is the raison d'etre of LENR. And its huge chance. Peter Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Marine life on the North Shore of Kauai, HI: https://www.facebook.com/honulilley/media_set?set=a.10152814052996556.1073742148.574581555type=3pnref=story Electrons/charged ions will discharge along pointed surfaces, decaying them (that is why airplane wings have wicks on tips/trailing surfaces to

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
The radar RF signal is not being rectified by the water into a DC current like your chart is assuming. The signal is actually reflected from the surface layers with extremely small penetration. The pulse rate has nothing to do with the high frequency RF reflection behavior for a typical

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Dave, the pulse train is a square wave, with the on amplitude approx 900' long or longer depending upon duty cycle, bouncing between clouds/planes and the suface of the ocean Just one weather radar has an EIRP of 32 billion watts of power, which gets ducted and scattered by planes and the

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
Of course if you limit your impact to those transmitters that communicate with submarines then these very low frequency signals do travel into the deeper water. But, so far it appears that you have placed all type of radars, etc. into the same category, which is not reasonable. From what I

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
How many dead fish do we have to have and dead birds falling from the sky to have before you sparkies understand your mistake? http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/12/florida-2/ On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The radar RF signal is not being rectified by

[Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some others may have an interest. Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs. Seems that proteins in living systems have evolved such that

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
This is a good article http://what-when-how.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/tmp1A545_thumb.jpg On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:22 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: David, Of course the low frequency square pulses show up on receivers, that is how pulsed doppler works!

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
That was the picture, this is the article http://what-when-how.com/remote-sensing-from-air-and-space/theory-radar-remote-sensing-part-1/ On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:24 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: This is a good article

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
I admit runoff can kill reefs I admit low pH can kill reefs I admit walking on reefs can kill reefs North Shore of Kauai has little of that Nobody ever considered radiation, which BTW has been shown to be bad for biology On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:00 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread James Bowery
How many counter examples to your hypothesis do you need before you at least admit there may be more than one cause of dying coral reefs? On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:56 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: How many dead fish do we have to have and dead birds falling from the sky to have

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
No, I have concentrated on pulsed radars, which pulse at 0-1000 Hz, considered very low frequencies. Dave you are generalizing and have done no research yourself. Here is some: http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/19/and-you-thought-the-bp-oil-spill-was-bad/ On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, David

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
It is up to those that propose problems such as you are doing to prove that the transmitters are a big problem for society. Some people would also be concerned about the safety of air transportation without radar or radio guidance. Are you ready to give up on your cellular radios and other

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Last time I argued with you about this you told me you got shocked by an RF antenna You proved my point. I loved radio, but I like Pandora better and that comes through a cable (at least to my house :)) Stewart On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:41 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Not

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
Not really Stewart. I have worked on radios and theory for many years and I understand it quite well. You are missing the point about the pulse repetition rate and its relationship to the radiated signal. The low frequencies are not radiated by a very band limited high frequency RF

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
David, all doppler weather, FAA, military radars send pulse trains at 200-1000 Hz. Just google doppler radar, they are ALL pulsed signals. The carrier frequency (while they are on) determines how well the pulses are absorbed in things like water. 2.5 - 6 GHz (microwave oven, wifi, weather

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
Come on now Stewart. If you take the time to analyze the spectrum of a pulsed radar signal, you will find that all of the energy is contained in a location surrounding the carrier frequency. Also, how well do you think a dish radar antenna being feed by a bandwidth limited waveguide is going

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
OK, this is how the 200-1000 Hz signal is propogated http://www.nwas.org/committees/avnwinterwx/doppler_weather_radar_overview.htm A large parabolic dish antenna works well. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:29 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It is up to those that propose problems such

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Here are some dead zones and radiation power density http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/09/03/i-think-uncle-sam-definitely-did-it-in-the-lagoon-with-the-pulsed-microwave-radar/ enjoy! On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Of course if you limit your impact to

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
David, Of course the low frequency square pulses show up on receivers, that is how pulsed doppler works! http://www.rfcafe.com/references/articles/images/Signal-Analysis-Modern-Radar-R-S-6.jpg When it is on (every pulse) a weather radar puts out ~1,000,000 WATTS, (32 billion watts EIRP)

Re: [Vo]:a special issue of EGO OUT

2015-07-07 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Even if we accept the theoretical possibility that collective nuclear reactions can take place (by an totally unknown physical mechanism) it is absolutely necessary that the conservation laws should be respected- conservation of energy, barions, leptons, and of electric charge. It was worked

Re: [Vo]:a special issue of EGO OUT

2015-07-07 Thread Axil Axil
LENR must involve a positive feedback loop in order to achive over unity. If magnetic fields are involved, the positive feed back must be magnetic in nature. Nuclear binding energy is converted to magnetic energy in a gainful positive feedback loop. Please explain how you beleive this might work.

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
You are kidding right? Any signal that shows up is merely being translated in frequency from its original location down to the baseband. The only signal received is very close in frequency to the carrier wave. The modulation signal at the low Hertz rate is visible at the receiver output, but

Re: [Vo]:a special issue of EGO OUT

2015-07-07 Thread Axil Axil
How does the magnetic field produce heat? On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Frank Znidarsic fznidar...@aol.com wrote: It in the amplitude of the thermal vibrations,. LENR must involve a positive feedback loop in order to achive over unity. If magnetic fields are involved, the positive feed

Re: [Vo]:a special issue of EGO OUT

2015-07-07 Thread Frank Znidarsic
snitthat the conservation laws should be respected/snip Thanks Perter. The magnetic fields are NOT conserved! That included electromagnetic, gravito magnetic ,and nuclear spin orbit. Good, very good comment Peter. -Original Message- From: Frank Znidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To:

[Vo]:Re: a special issue of EGO OUT

2015-07-07 Thread Bob Cook
Frank-- Regarding conservation laws, are angular momentum and intrinsic spin conserved? What about spin mass energy? Does that fall into the category of inertial mass you suggest is not conserved? Bob From: Frank Znidarsic Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 1:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:a special issue of EGO OUT

2015-07-07 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Two things on the universe are not conserved. The magnetic fields and inertial mass are NOT conserved. -Original Message- From: Frank Znidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 4:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:a special issue of EGO OUT

RE: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Any non-linearity in a medium like salt water will cause baseband currents. From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 2:45 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying... You are kidding right? Any signal that shows

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
Yes indeed, they are modulated at that low rate. No one has ever stated otherwise Stewart. But, this is quite different than a signal at that low frequency being radiated into the environment. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:Re: a special issue of EGO OUT

2015-07-07 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Momentum is conserved. -Original Message- From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 5:13 pm Subject: [Vo]:Re: a special issue of EGO OUT Frank--

Re: [Vo]:a special issue of EGO OUT

2015-07-07 Thread Frank Znidarsic
It in the amplitude of the thermal vibrations,. LENR must involve a positive feedback loop in order to achive over unity. If magnetic fields are involved, the positive feed back must be magnetic in nature. Nuclear binding energy is converted to magnetic energy in a gainful positive feedback

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread Frank Znidarsic
High frequency radio waves do not propagate under water. -Original Message- From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 5:50 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying... Any non-linearity in a medium like

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Stray electrical currents from electromagnetic induction are an ongoing problem in saltwater aquariums - diseased fish and marine life. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1982006 In Kauai, the North shore reef fish are turning black and some of the sharks are going belly up near

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
JoJo sent me a message to post, so I will post. We will agree to disagree about the radars/antennas near seawater. I don't disagree electrodes can stimulate growth, they can also kill it. http://fishshocker.net/ Stewart -- Forwarded message -- From: jojoiznar...@gmail.com Date:

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
You recall me being shocked by that darned vhf transmitter? Actually it was a burn, but it proved that I have earned my metal as an experienced RF power engineer. Most of the guys that I know who have actual experience have been burned on at least one occasion. Have you ever been RF

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
What about low flying aircraft overhead reflecting a strong signal back to ground? What about ducting events and high refraction off the atmosphere during storms? Salt water is 1000 times better conductor than soil and well grounded. The radars are pulsing at very LOW frequencies and yes, the

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Something more interesting wit rf http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:John_Kanzius_Produces_Hydrogen_from_Salt_Water_Using_Radio_Waves -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 6:13 pm Subject: Re:

[Vo]:Re: Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread Bob Cook
ChemE and Dave-- Suppose the damage to the reef is to microscopic reef larva or other growth phase of the reef organism that lives near or on surface. Is there enough energy impinging the surface at a steep angle, for example a surface of a small wave or ripple to affect a small egg cell or

[Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree it has been covered. Radar signals are absorbed by the ocean when there are more waves on the surface of the ocean to absorb carrier waves. A calm ocean is more reflective. The reference is on my site. 3-4 waves lapping over a shallow reef are a good spot to absorb and ground 2-6 GHz

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Dave, Then stop talking since you have done no research on correlations of marine life disease and human disease linked to EM radiation, which is understandable since you have spent your career generating EM radiation and you feel compelled to justify

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
Yep. Those induced currents are at the RF microwave frequency that you are speaking of Stewart. That is how reflections take place. It also can be used to explain the attenuation of the main signal as it gets dissipated within the conductive medium. This subject has been covered

Re: [Vo]:Re: Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Manatees are dying of shock around the 17+ microwave radars and earth stations in Melbourne, fl http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-02-01/news/os-manatee-deaths-indian-river-20140201_1_indian-river-lagoon-katie-tripp-dead-manatees See my maps for EIRP power overhead. On Tuesday, July 7,

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Right, and salt water flowing through a strong pulsing EM field can induce electrical currents. On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote: Any non-linearity in a medium like salt water will cause baseband currents. *From:* David Roberson

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
Of course, this is nothing new. Now show me how the actual pulse repetition rate is transmitted other than by existing as modulation of the carrier? Can you integrate this waveform to show that energy is being transmitted at that 200 to 1000 Hz frequency? You can not because none is being

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
Rectification of the signal can cause small DC currents as you suggest. Any non linear behavior that treats both the positive and negative RF swings equally can not result in DC generation but instead causes harmonic generation of the RF carrier. Do you consider salt water as capable of

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread David Roberson
Stewart, I have already suggested that this discussion be terminated due to its interference with the main issues. But, you clearly need good theoretical backing for your concepts. The reflections from a low flying aircraft that you think as large are not significant at all when you consider

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Except low pulsed frequencies On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zeropo...@charter.net'); wrote: This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some others may have an interest… Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link between our modern radar systems and the dying

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
VLF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_low_frequency radio waves (3–30 kHz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz) can penetrate seawater to a depth of approximately 20 meters. Hence a submarine at shallow depth can use these frequencies. Most of the radars pulse at 200-1000 Hz. Most of the

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Mark, Thanks for the info, I will pass it on. I read the posts on Vortex everyday and appreciate the uninhibited creative technical expulsion that occurs. I am involved in a couple of research efforts now in addition to my day job as a chemical/environmental engineer consultant. One study

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread James Bowery
Low pulsed frequency is a contradiction in terms. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Except low pulsed frequencies On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-07 Thread Roarty, Francis X
My bad - I thought your closed form geometry equals a wavelength that matches our plane and persists in our plane as a physical manifestation like a canoe stuck in the waterfall whereas all other virtual particles form the ether medium and just flow thru - their rate of flow establishing the

[Vo]:entirely new collective nuclear reactions, instantaneous simultaneous fusion fission transformation, Leonid Urutskoev letter (first part): EGO OUT blog of Peter Gluck: Rich Murray 2015.07.07

2015-07-07 Thread Rich Murray
*entirely new collective nuclear reactions, instantaneous simultaneous fusion fission transformation, Leonid Urutskoev letter (first part): EGO OUT blog of Peter Gluck: Rich Murray 2015.07.07* *http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2015/07/entirely-new-collective-nuclear.html

[Vo]:OT: CEO of Uber interested in Tesla's autonomous vehicles

2015-07-07 Thread Eric Walker
The CEO of Uber, the ridesharing company, is reported to have expressed a strong interest in the autonomous vehicles that Tesla is planning to put on the market. The implication for drivers, including Uber's, is clear. See:

Re: [Vo]:a special issue of EGO OUT

2015-07-07 Thread Frank Znidarsic
How does the magnetic field produce heat? The spin orbit magnetic field (not of electromagnetic origin) can, when modified, mediate nuclear reactions at a greater range than the Coulombic force. Frank Z -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread James Bowery
Thanks for the numbers. This should be relatively straight forward to test: Set up two salt water aquariums supporting comparable coral populations. Run them for a year or so to see they are stable. Then subject one of them to low frequency EM radiation. PS: What I mean contraction in terms

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Low frequency pulse. Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef, the evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly shocking the marine life through electromagnetic

RE: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
This must be done blind but even then, the experimenter effect ( Marylyn Schlitz) would override the results ( Experimenter effect