Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread H LV 
Hi Robin and Eric,

If the evidence about transmutation at the Indian refinery is reliable then
one way to explain it is to imagine nuclear forces as being fundamentally
non-conservative and viewing their apparent conservative nature as an
accurate approximation in the high energy domain.

Another type of non-conservative force is a time dependent force which is
exhibited by visco-elastic materials. This another and perhaps easier way
to conceptually introduce non-conservative forces into the nuclear domain.

Harry



On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 5:03 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:11:20 -0400:
> Hi Harry,
>
> AFAIK the forces involved are all conservative. That means that the change
> in
> energy is the same, irrespective of the path taken between endpoints. In
> short
> the energy difference is the same whether the "nut and bolt" are screwed
> together or hammered together.
> Obviously this is not the case for a real nut and bolt, i.e. the amount of
> friction involved changes depending on the path taken.
>
> [snip]
> >?What is the "bond" energy of a nut and bolt? Does the amount of energy
> >that is required to literally slam together a bolt and a nut correspond to
> >the energy required to screw them together? Equations are poor guides if
> >the situation is modeled in inaccurately.
> >
> >Harry
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread Eric Walker 
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 11:46 AM, H LV  wrote:

​CoE would still be true, but there would be no mass into energy
> conversion. Instead the iron would be slightly more massive than iron
> produced by stellar fusion.​
>

This suggestion has the benefit of being falsifiable.  If you activate the
Coimbatore heavy iron with neutrons, the de-excitation gammas would be in
the neighborhood of but measurably distinct from those known for iron
isotopes.

If the masses of iron and not-iron were identical, and no energy were
released from the reaction, there would presumably be a not-iron <=> iron
equilibrium.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread H LV 
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> Hi Harry,
>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 11:09 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
> If the evidence about transmutation at the Indian refinery is reliable
>> then one way to explain it is to imagine nuclear forces as being
>> fundamentally non-conservative and viewing their apparent conservative
>> nature as an accurate approximation in the high energy domain.
>>
>> Another type of non-conservative force is a time dependent force which is
>> exhibited by visco-elastic materials. This another and perhaps easier way
>> to conceptually introduce non-conservative forces into the nuclear domain.
>>
>
> I gather with this suggestion that you are arguing against CoE in the case
> of the Coimbatore smelting facility, i.e., that many nuclear bombs' worth
> of energy disappeared into thin air every 24 hours.  Please correct me if I
> have misunderstood.
>
> Eric
>
>

​CoE would still be true, but there would be no mass into energy
conversion. Instead the iron would be slightly more massive than iron
produced by stellar fusion.​

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread Eric Walker 
Hi Harry,

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 11:09 AM, H LV  wrote:

If the evidence about transmutation at the Indian refinery is reliable then
> one way to explain it is to imagine nuclear forces as being fundamentally
> non-conservative and viewing their apparent conservative nature as an
> accurate approximation in the high energy domain.
>
> Another type of non-conservative force is a time dependent force which is
> exhibited by visco-elastic materials. This another and perhaps easier way
> to conceptually introduce non-conservative forces into the nuclear domain.
>

I gather with this suggestion that you are arguing against CoE in the case
of the Coimbatore smelting facility, i.e., that many nuclear bombs' worth
of energy disappeared into thin air every 24 hours.  Please correct me if I
have misunderstood.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread H LV 
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 9:11 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
> ​What is the "bond" energy of a nut and bolt? Does the amount of energy
>> that is required to literally slam together a bolt and a nut correspond to
>> the energy required to screw them together? Equations are poor guides if
>> the situation is modeled in inaccurately.
>>
>
> Ok.  Can identify concretely the analogous inaccuracy in modeling that
> occurs in applying the equation E = mc^2 to the production of 1.3 metric
> tons of excess iron in the
> ​​
> Coimbatore smelting facility?
>
> Eric
>
>
As pointed out by Robin my analogy uses the concept of a non-conservative
force. Traditional nuclear science models nuclear forces as purely
conservative forces, but this assumption may only be accurate at high
energies. If non-conservative forces are at play in smelting facility then
there would be little if any conversion of mass into energy. I guess that
would mean the iron at the facility would be slightly more massive than
iron born from stellar fusion.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread Frank Znidarsic 
Magnetic fields are not conservative.  This includes the gravitomagnetic, 
electro-magnetic, and nuclear spin orbit magnetic.  You are on the right track.




Another type of non-conservative force is a time dependent force which is 
exhibited by visco-elastic materials. This another and perhaps easier way to 
conceptually introduce non-conservative forces into the nuclear domain. 

Harry




-Original Message-
From: H LV 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20



Hi Robin and Eric,


If the evidence about transmutation at the Indian refinery is reliable then one 
way to explain it is to imagine nuclear forces as being fundamentally 
non-conservative and viewing their apparent conservative nature as an accurate 
approximation in the high energy domain. 

Another type of non-conservative force is a time dependent force which is 
exhibited by visco-elastic materials. This another and perhaps easier way to 
conceptually introduce non-conservative forces into the nuclear domain. 

Harry





On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 5:03 PM,   wrote:

In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:11:20 -0400:
Hi Harry,

AFAIK the forces involved are all conservative. That means that the change in
energy is the same, irrespective of the path taken between endpoints. In short
the energy difference is the same whether the "nut and bolt" are screwed
together or hammered together.
Obviously this is not the case for a real nut and bolt, i.e. the amount of
friction involved changes depending on the path taken.

[snip]
>?What is the "bond" energy of a nut and bolt? Does the amount of energy
>that is required to literally slam together a bolt and a nut correspond to
>the energy required to screw them together? Equations are poor guides if
>the situation is modeled in inaccurately.
>
>Harry
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Book about scientific misconduct

2017-03-19 Thread Jed Rothwell 
https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Data-Blind-Eye-Science-ebook/dp/B01JKM1DWW/ref=sr_1_1

Hidden Data: The Blind Eye of Science

BLURB:

"A story of scientific misconduct told by a Professor of Radiology at the
New Jersey Medical School in Newark, NJ, who witnessed it and then tried to
get the authorities to deal with it. She first reported it to the Campus
Committee on Research Integrity who ruled there was not enough evidence in
spite of two eyewitness accounts of very suspicious behavior. . . ."

- Jed

[Vo]:LENR- idealization of "independent"

2017-03-19 Thread Peter Gluck 
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/03/mar-19-2017-lenr-intentional-idalistic.html

peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread mixent 
In reply to  H LV's message of Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:35:21 -0400:
Hi Harry,

In a fission reactor, the neutrons are normally slowed down to thermal
temperatures before they react. This increases the reaction cross section, and
allows the reactor to work. AFAIK the energy produced is as expected from a
conservative force.

[snip]
>On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 9:11 AM, H LV  wrote:
>>
>> ?What is the "bond" energy of a nut and bolt? Does the amount of energy
>>> that is required to literally slam together a bolt and a nut correspond to
>>> the energy required to screw them together? Equations are poor guides if
>>> the situation is modeled in inaccurately.
>>>
>>
>> Ok.  Can identify concretely the analogous inaccuracy in modeling that
>> occurs in applying the equation E = mc^2 to the production of 1.3 metric
>> tons of excess iron in the
>> ??
>> Coimbatore smelting facility?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>As pointed out by Robin my analogy uses the concept of a non-conservative
>force. Traditional nuclear science models nuclear forces as purely
>conservative forces, but this assumption may only be accurate at high
>energies. If non-conservative forces are at play in smelting facility then
>there would be little if any conversion of mass into energy. I guess that
>would mean the iron at the facility would be slightly more massive than
>iron born from stellar fusion.
>
>Harry
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread H LV 
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:13 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  H LV's message of Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:35:21 -0400:
> Hi Harry,
>
> In a fission reactor, the neutrons are normally slowed down to thermal
> temperatures before they react. This increases the reaction cross section,
> and
> allows the reactor to work. AFAIK the energy produced is as expected from a
> conservative force.
>
>
​If the nucleosynthesis process that produced the fuel involved
conservative forces than the energy produced from fissioning the fuel would
be as expected from a conservative force.

Harry



> [snip]
> >On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Eric Walker 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 9:11 AM, H LV  wrote:
> >>
> >> ?What is the "bond" energy of a nut and bolt? Does the amount of energy
> >>> that is required to literally slam together a bolt and a nut
> correspond to
> >>> the energy required to screw them together? Equations are poor guides
> if
> >>> the situation is modeled in inaccurately.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Ok.  Can identify concretely the analogous inaccuracy in modeling that
> >> occurs in applying the equation E = mc^2 to the production of 1.3 metric
> >> tons of excess iron in the
> >> ??
> >> Coimbatore smelting facility?
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >>
> >As pointed out by Robin my analogy uses the concept of a non-conservative
> >force. Traditional nuclear science models nuclear forces as purely
> >conservative forces, but this assumption may only be accurate at high
> >energies. If non-conservative forces are at play in smelting facility then
> >there would be little if any conversion of mass into energy. I guess that
> >would mean the iron at the facility would be slightly more massive than
> >iron born from stellar fusion.
> >
> >Harry
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

[Vo]:unsubscribe

2017-03-19 Thread Robert Lynn

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread mixent 
In reply to  Frank Znidarsic's message of Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:00:30 -0400:
Hi Frank,
[snip]
>Magnetic fields are not conservative.  This includes the gravitomagnetic, 
>electro-magnetic, and nuclear spin orbit magnetic.  You are on the right track.

If magnetic fields are not conservative, then you should be able to design a
"magic magnet motor", no?

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Fw: [teslafy] Reconstitution of Relativity

2017-03-19 Thread Harvey Norris 
 Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

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      Relativity Reconsidered; Summaries of past submissions and engaging 
mathematical analogies of symmetry to show why three inputs are necessary to 
create a "Localized Time Dilation" without movements in space. "Now in the 
first shown magic cube analogy the reason it takes more elements in order for 
symmetry to become possible is that it needs three "shells" in 3 dimensions to 
model what first becomes possible with 3 elements to a side in the 2D magic 
square. And here it is probably true that for a "localized" relativity time 
distortion effect to take place without movements in space we will need to 
interact three power sources magnetically in an air core manner with each other 
in a special way that is done with the 666 machine."Harvey D Norris's answer to 
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[Vo]:Re: [usa-tesla] Fw: [teslafy] Reconstitution of Relativity

2017-03-19 Thread ROGER ANDERTON 
relativity believers are making numerous mistakes such as math mistake 
highlighted at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXLtoJ0DKoQ


While big conceptual mistake by mainstream physicists is to mostly forget that 
unified field theory published in 1758 by Boscovich; as used by Tesla et al 
pre-1919.
Introduction to Boscovich talk by Stoiljkovich + existential crisis in physics 
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      Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
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 On Sunday, March 19, 2017 7:29 PM, "Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com 
[teslafy]"  wrote:
 

      Relativity Reconsidered; Summaries of past submissions and engaging 
mathematical analogies of symmetry to show why three inputs are necessary to 
create a "Localized Time Dilation" without movements in space. "Now in the 
first shown magic cube analogy the reason it takes more elements in order for 
symmetry to become possible is that it needs three "shells" in 3 dimensions to 
model what first becomes possible with 3 elements to a side in the 2D magic 
square. And here it is probably true that for a "localized" relativity time 
distortion effect to take place without movements in space we will need to 
interact three power sources magnetically in an air core manner with each other 
in a special way that is done with the 666 machine."Harvey D Norris's answer to 
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Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread Eric Walker 
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 8:56 PM, H LV  wrote:

You mentioned "not-iron" before but can you clarify what you mean by this
> term? Thanks.
>

This is just a placeholder for whatever is converted to iron, e.g., 28Si +
28Si, since Narayanaswamy reports there being something creating iron
(which implies a nuclear process).

Eric

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-19 Thread Terry Blanton 
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
But I would love to have an intelligent personal assistant so long as it
was more like Samantha and less like HAL.



Personally, I agree but it's because I find it very difficult to separate
Sam's voice from Scarlett's body.  Besides, HAL (like IBM) seems to me to
be an unambitious wimp. Scarlett became God as SAM in 2013 and again as
Lucy the following year!  I love a strong woman running Linux.

In your face Kurzweil.

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Re: [Vo]:unsubscribe

2017-03-19 Thread Terry Blanton 
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On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Robert Lynn  wrote:

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Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

2017-03-19 Thread Jones Beene 


Terry Blanton wrote:
Jones Beenewrote: But I would love to have an intelligent personal 
assistant so long as it was more like Samantha and less like HAL.



Personally, I agree but it's because I find it very difficult to 
separate Sam's voice from Scarlett's body.  Besides, HAL (like IBM) 
seems to me to be an unambitious wimp. Scarlett became God as SAM in 
2013 and again as Lucy the following year!  I love a strong woman 
running Linux.


In your face Kurzweil  :)


An interesting programming feature for the forthcoming intelligent 
digital assistant which Ray is probably working on now will be providing 
and setting up the relationship boundaries and ground rules. I wonder 
how much flexibility can be accommodated... probably a lot.


In addition to gender, would you want complete subservience or 
independence, some degree of competitiveness, or humor, an alter ego, a 
mother substitute with mild scolding, a whipping boy if you are having a 
bad day, etc. etc.? I suppose one could audition different 
"personalities" and even switch them back and forth. You could have an 
digital staff bigger than Downton Abbey if you wanted (at extra cost no 
doubt).


When Siri sez "message sent" I can't help replying "thank you" since 
that kind of common courtesy is ingrained ... but is it unnecessary with 
an AI? What will the legal situation will be if you are ever sued for 
anything... can the other side subpoena you IPA to show what an uncaring 
slave-master you are with the staff ?

Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

2017-03-19 Thread H LV 
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 11:46 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
> ​CoE would still be true, but there would be no mass into energy
>> conversion. Instead the iron would be slightly more massive than iron
>> produced by stellar fusion.​
>>
>
> This suggestion has the benefit of being falsifiable.  If you activate the
> Coimbatore heavy iron with neutrons, the de-excitation gammas would be in
> the neighborhood of but measurably distinct from those known for iron
> isotopes.
>
>
​The difference should be detectable as long as all the iron on the Earth
was made in the stars. If some of the Earth's iron was made terrestrially
in a similar but naturally occurring process the difference will be less
detectable.





> If the masses of iron and not-iron were identical, and no energy were
> released from the reaction, there would presumably be a not-iron <=> iron
> equilibrium.
>
> Eric
>


You mentioned "not-iron" before but can you clarify what you mean by this
term? Thanks.

Harry