On 30 Oct 2011, at 23:44, Man on Bridges wrote:
However the title Professor is to my knowledge not a protected title, so
anyone could use it.
Here in the UK at least, professor is a job title not a qualification.
Joe
NASA: LENR powered aircraft so large that other aircraft can land on
them in future.
http://www.slashgear.com/nuclear-powered-aircraft-so-large-other-aircraft-can-land-on-them-in-our-future-25190555/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/photogalleries/airborne-metro-concept/
Jed
try to google ivano marescotti. Have fun :)
Susy
2011/10/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
As noted, there is a photo of Fioravanti and some comments about him by
Lewan here:
http://theeestory.com/posts/215391
I asked Lewan:
Do you know anything about this person? Do you think
On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 10:02 +0100, Susan Gipp wrote:
Jed
try to google ivano marescotti. Have fun :)
Susy
It's not the same guy. :)
Craig
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Defkalion Green Technologies SA*
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megawatt ecat produces 70 kW [very little steam, mixed with water --
cup of tea, anyone?]: Joshua Cude: Rich Murray 2011.10.31
[ Rich Murray: this nail in the coffin goes right to the point...
using Rossi's own data... ]
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/H-Ni_Fusion/message/791
[H-Ni_Fusion]
A while back, somebody here did a rough calculation that, given
the size of the outlet in the 1mw ecat, steam would have to be
flying out of it at greater than the speed of sound if it were
really putting out 1mw.
Since there were two outlets from the look of it, that means the
steam would move
Because all energy was finally converted into hot air, this should
become obvious from the fan-driven heat radiators.
I have developed this formula for air flow:
air flow[m^3/s] = 0.77 * P[kW] / delta_T[°K]
At 470 kW and initial air temperature of 20°C and final air temperature
of 100°C we
On 11-10-31 09:15 AM, vorl bek wrote:
A while back, somebody here did a rough calculation that, given
the size of the outlet in the 1mw ecat, steam would have to be
flying out of it at greater than the speed of sound if it were
really putting out 1mw.
Since there were two outlets from the
See:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303682.ece
The quality of that video is better than the other ones. Lewan held the
camera steady and explained what the viewer is seeing. There is less
background noise.
By the way, Lewan says he believes input power was measured
They test the temperature at the output pipe, but this does not say much
about the energy when the mass flow is not known.
When Lewan looked over the fence to the heat dissipators then he should
have feeled A LOT of hot air. He did not mention anything.
It would be interesting to know. I
4 m^3/s is not too much. That is a column of 1.6m^2 ascending at 1.6m/s.
The area that concealed the radiators was much bigger.
2011/10/31 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
They test the temperature at the output pipe, but this does not say much
about the energy when the mass flow is not
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This amount of heat cannot been unnoticed, it must have bee rather hot
near the heatradiators.
Yes, it was. I believe that is why they were surrounded by barriers. You
can see this more clearly in Lewan's video, that was just uploaded. You can
also
Am 31.10.2011 15:38, schrieb Daniel Rocha:
4 m^3/s is not too much. That is a column of 1.6m^2 ascending at
1.6m/s. The area that concealed the radiators was much bigger.
I feel a hot stream of air if my car stands in front of the garage, it
is still hot and the motor fan is running. My car
2011/10/31 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
It is a shame that Rossi did not allow the observers to confirm the claim.
- Jed
Probably Peter Svensson did look closely. Look at his tweets today, right
after he came back from his trip to watch the E-Cat:
http://twitter.com/#!/petersvensson
Peter Heckert wrote:
When Lewan looked over the fence to the heat dissipators then he
should have feeled A LOT of hot air. He did not mention anything.
I asked him about that. He said he did not have a chance to reach over
the barrier and check. I believe others have said it was hot.
As I
That is open field and and there was wood surrounding the radiator. And
even the wood close to were the viewing was done was not close to the
radiator air exit.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
Date: 2011/10/31
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Video added to
Am 31.10.2011 15:47, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
When Lewan looked over the fence to the heat dissipators then he
should have feeled A LOT of hot air. He did not mention anything.
I asked him about that. He said he did not have a chance to reach over
the barrier and check. I
Peter Heckert wrote:
They test the temperature at the output pipe, but this does not say
much about the energy when the mass flow is not known.
The mass flow is known. It is in the report. It was 675 L/h.
Of course you have to trust that Fioravanti reported it correctly.
It would be
Am 31.10.2011 15:51, schrieb Daniel Rocha:
That is open field and and there was wood surrounding the radiator.
And even the wood close to were the viewing was done was not close to
the radiator air exit.
Not open enough. 470 kW is what comes down to earth surface on 470 m^2
on a hot
But the heat from the sun is in form of EM waves whereas in this case it is
already being carried by a convective current and unless it mixes with
surrounding air, the heat will hardly be carried by long IR waves.
2011/10/31 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
Am 31.10.2011 15:51, schrieb
When I was young, I was working in an aluminium casting house for some
weeks.
This was only one small oven and all windows and large large doors where
left open.
It was incredibly hot inside and for sure this where less than 470 kW
heating power.
I was happy I survived this ;-)
Am 31.10.2011
Nature's laws may vary across the Universe
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-10-nature-laws-vary-universe.html
I have arrived at the opinion that the set of axioms known as the
laws of nature need only apply to our measuring instruments. Our
instruments should work according to such axioms,
In that case, there was a ceiling, so, even though the windows were
opened, the hot air was trapped.
2011/10/31 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
When I was young, I was working in an aluminium casting house for some
weeks.
This was only one small oven and all windows and large large
I think, these 470 kW heat dissipators compare to those of a large truck.
But not to a large truck that is running idle. It compares to a large
truck running the hill upwards under maximum full load for hours.
Under such circumstances most trucks would overheat and must do a pause
or slow down
Maybe that's one of the reasons why the test didn't last very long ;)
2011/10/31 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
I think, these 470 kW heat dissipators compare to those of a large truck.
But not to a large truck that is running idle. It compares to a large
truck running the hill upwards
a) [00:00 - end] The genset was very loud ... could they really
measure the eCat at 56 dB ?
b) There were apparently two steam pipes coming out [00:42] , but
there was a thermocouple [00:43] (and fluid water collector [00:44])
on only one .
c) The pipe was cool, and the ball-valve handle
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
[00:43] (and fluid water collector [00:44]) on only one .
And the valve was closed...
—Jouni
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Daniel Rocha wrote:
In that case, there was a ceiling, so, even though the windows were
opened, the hot air was trapped.
The fans were placed outside the building. The barriers around the fans
will prevent much of warm air from getting into the building.
- Jed
I was not referring to Rossi's building...
2011/10/31 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha wrote:
In that case, there was a ceiling, so, even though the windows were
opened, the hot air was trapped.
The fans were placed outside the building. The barriers around the fans
will
Daniel Rocha wrote:
I was not referring to Rossi's building...
Oh. I guess you were talking about the aluminum casting factory
described by Heckert.
These e-mail conversations can be hard to follow.
- Jed
T.R.
October 31st, 2011 at 9:47 AM
Dear mr. Rossi
when the second customer will recive his plant?
Andrea Rossi
October 31st, 2011 at 10:44 AM
Dear T.R.
3 months,
Warm regards,
A.R.
. . . .
G P
October 31st, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Dear Mr. Rossi,
I have followed for some time with passion and
Cross-posted from the general Rossi replies
Andrea Rossi
October 31st, 2011 at 9:12 AM
Dear James Bowery:
The dissipator has been designed by me and the person who leaded the
test, an engineer of NATO ( a Colonel) who has 30 years of experience in
thermopower plants and thermodynamical
So he is a colonel. Or was. Interesting. There are not too many of them
in NATO. Perhaps there is a list somewhere. It is a shame he is not a
general.
- Jed
Hi,
On 31-10-2011 3:11, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I wonder if this is related? http://www.fioravanti.it/ (Power source
for sports cars?)
Probably not according this page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Fioravanti_%28engineer%29
Kind regards,
MoB
*Leonardo Fioravanti* (born 1938)
Maybe an Emperor, Jed?
-Messaggio originale-
From: Jed Rothwell
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:26 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Forget John Galt, who is Domenico Fioravanti?
So he is a colonel. Or was. Interesting. There are not too many of them
in NATO. Perhaps
Hi,
On 31-10-2011 3:11, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I wonder if this is related? http://www.fioravanti.it/ (Power source
for sports cars?)
Probably not according this page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Fioravanti_(engineer)
Kind regards,
MoB
*Leonardo Fioravanti* (born 1938) is
Am 31.10.2011 15:40, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de
wrote:
This amount of heat cannot been unnoticed, it must have bee rather
hot near the heatradiators.
Yes, it was. I believe that is why they were surrounded by barriers.
http://www.nyteknik.se//template/ver03/fragments/comment/commentsFetch.jsp?articleId=3303682endPosition=25
[ Comment by Joshua Cude, after his comment very similar to the post
quoted here. ]
It's the old steam trick again
In the first place, the report comes from Rossi, with no
identification
Peter Heckert wrote:
I cannot imagine this heating energy being compressed on some m^3
small space without becoming very hot.
There must be an air flow of 4 m^3 / s if 20° air is heated to 100°
(without thermal expansion of air being considered)
I cannot imagine that either, but what is your
Quoting this article:
. . . Once near their destination the conventional aircraft could take
back off from the back of the giant LENR machine and then land on the
ground. The thought is that an air transport scheme like this could save
40% of the fuel required for a conventional flight on a
Am 31.10.2011 21:17, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
I cannot imagine this heating energy being compressed on some m^3
small space without becoming very hot.
There must be an air flow of 4 m^3 / s if 20° air is heated to 100°
(without thermal expansion of air being considered)
I
Rossi-speak ? Every time he says something, he raises more questions
than he answers
http://pesn.com/2011/10/31/9501942_After_the_E-Cat_Test--Report_and_Q-A_with_Rossi/
Sorry, it is not allowed smoke here. Anyone who is smoking is
requested to stop the cigarette. (Just a bit of hydrogen ?)
I wonder whether the italian version of the answer matches with the english
one :)
2011/10/31 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
Rossi-speak ? Every time he says something, he raises more questions than
he answers
http://pesn.com/2011/10/31/**9501942_After_the_E-Cat_Test--**
On 11-10-31 04:30 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 31.10.2011 21:17, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
I cannot imagine this heating energy being compressed on some m^3
small space without becoming very hot.
There must be an air flow of 4 m^3 / s if 20° air is heated to 100°
(without
Peter Heckert wrote:
When you walk by a locomotive you feel a blast of hot air but the air
is not confined and the platform does not get hot.
The use some splywood boards like Rossi and build these airtight
around the locomotive, this way that the flow of cold input air is
inhibited, set the
Am 31.10.2011 21:41, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
What do you mean airtight? Those are not even a little airtight. The
top is open to the sky!
What I have meant is an airtight fence made out of plywood boards, going
down to ground and going above the hight of the fans.
It is very obvious that it
Peter Heckert wrote:
What do you mean airtight? Those are not even a little airtight. The
top is open to the sky!
What I have meant is an airtight fence made out of plywood boards,
going down to ground and going above the hight of the fans.
It is very obvious that it was open to the sky I
Am 31.10.2011 21:47, schrieb Peter Heckert:
Am 31.10.2011 21:41, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
What do you mean airtight? Those are not even a little airtight. The
top is open to the sky!
What I have meant is an airtight fence made out of plywood boards,
going down to ground and going above the
*Andrea Rossi
October 31st, 2011 at 9:01 AM
Dear Manik Sahai:
We have started the manufacturing of 1 MW plants. Who wants to buy them
whatever its Nation, can contact us at: i...@leonardocorp1996.com
Warm Regards,
A.R.*
So get a couple of thousand people to chip in a couple of thousand each and
Am 31.10.2011 21:57, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
I seem to be missing your point here. Are you talking about a
hypothetical test in an enclosed space? This test was nothing like
that. There is no expectation that anything will get hot.
Obviously you do not want to understand. I will not explain
In reply to David ledin's message of Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:50:20 +0330:
Hi,
[snip]
NASA: LENR powered aircraft so large that other aircraft can land on
them in future.
http://www.slashgear.com/nuclear-powered-aircraft-so-large-other-aircraft-can-land-on-them-in-our-future-25190555/
Peter Heckert wrote:
What I have meant is an airtight fence made out of plywood boards,
going down to ground and going above the hight of the fans.
This arrangement /must/ become hot, because the airflow is hindered,
especially the inflow of cold air is hindered, and the air is
enturbulated.
I wrote:
I think there was more than 5,400 L in the holding tanks. The condensate
could have been coming back at a higher temperature than the tanks.
I should have said the condensate *must* have been coming back at a higher
temperature than the water in the tanks. It must have been well
Am 31.10.2011 22:18, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Anyway, there is no problem cooling down equipment in this situation.
I have seen large power company transformers behind shopping malls
placed in small confined areas, sometimes bricked in to keep people
away from them. They produce a great deal of
Am 31.10.2011 22:44, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
I wrote:
I think there was more than 5,400 L in the holding tanks. The
condensate could have been coming back at a higher temperature
than the tanks.
I should have said the condensate _must_ have been coming back at a
higher temperature
Peter Heckert wrote:
A 10 MW transformer, if it has an efficiency of 99% produces 10 kW
waste heat.
Good point.
In any case, I do not think you can show the temperature of the
condensate must have been at some temperature or another.
- Jed
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
The feedwater temperature is recorded in the spreadsheet, and it gradually
rises.
Yes this can be. Unfortunately the usage of the second watertank is
not known.
It is also not known if the second heatdissipator and the second stem tube
where
I was skimming AR's comments on his web log and found this one:
Andrea Rossi
August 5th, 2011 at 8:48 AM
Dear Mr Domenico:
The risk is zero, because we do not use radioactive material and we do
not produce radioactive wastes. In all the cases you listed H is cut.
If the temperature rises too
I "Tweeted" PeterSvensson (the AP journalist
who attended the 1MW test) to ask why AP what exactly had happened to
the news report?The response was "Sorry,
there's nothing I can say at this point".Today
I recieved some more worrying information from a concerned member of
the public. He had
The latest system test where 107 individual ECAT modules were connected
together was successful but could have been much more convincing. System
instabilities forced the power output to be reduced to 470 kW and for it to be
run in an open loop mode instead of the 1 MW that we were all
Svar till Nisse1. Only two thermocouples were used - one
in the water tank from which the pumps got the water, one at the steam
outlet outside the container.
2. I talked a lot with the examiner Fioravanti. He seemed very
experienced and he didnt believe a single thing in the discussion on the
Smart man. He is exactly right contrary to many discussions here.
T
At 09:59 AM 10/31/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
a) [00:00 - end] The genset was very loud ...
could they really measure the eCat at 56 dB ?
b) There were apparently two steam pipes coming
out [00:42] , but there was a thermocouple
[00:43] (and fluid water collector [00:44]) on only one .
Anyone recognize these men:
http://i.imgur.com/hDu4Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wXTXn.jpg (MIBs)
or this lady in uniform:
http://i.imgur.com/fc4o6.jpg
?
And how come all the women there were beautiful?
T
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone recognize these men:
http://i.imgur.com/hDu4Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wXTXn.jpg (MIBs)
The sitting men have to be from the US and they all look like the work
for the government. None are smiling. We're talking
Hi all, I'm new.
What I find astounding is the knee-jerk reactions of the intelligent lay
person, who may even be an engineer or a scientist in a softer discipline (no
disrespect intended). I participate in an amateur astronomy forum where, as
things go, I'm probably the senior physics person
These people look like Scandinavians to me.
-drl
--
I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin
--- On Mon, 10/31/11, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Video added to NyTeknik report :
Danny, you have me a bit confused. Does your comment refer to the subject
that I posted by this title or are you just using my post as a path into
vortex? If you are questioning my knowledge, I am an engineer by trade.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Danny Ross Lunsford
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Danny Ross Lunsford antimatte...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I would like to think that someone today who is in the same place as I was
30 years ago could make a better go of it.
Welcome, Danny. Let's hope so!
T
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Danny Ross Lunsford antimatte...@yahoo.com
wrote:
These people look like Scandinavians to me.
Maybe Aryans? ;-)
T
No, I meant that to be a top-level post. I'm not very adept yet at this format
for discussions.
-drl
--
I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin
Welcome to the vortex Danny. I personally enjoy the technical discussions
which come up occasionally. My latest post was an attempt to encourage other
members to discuss the finer aspects to ECAT control.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Danny Ross Lunsford antimatte...@yahoo.com
To:
Danny Ross Lunsford antimatte...@yahoo.com wrote:
No, I meant that to be a top-level post. I'm not very adept yet at this
format for discussions.
Just assign a new thread title in the Subject line and you will create a
new top level item.
This software sometimes goes bonkers like the
SOME FINAL THOUGHTS:
Krivit's is asking us to accept, his conclusions as carefully thought out
psychological assessments of another person's agenda - specifically that Mr.
Rossi's agenda is to scam the financial pants of a couple of gullible
businesses. .and then I guess it's off to Rio with
Recently, I noticed that some within the Vort Collective have puzzled over
the relationship that seems to exist between New Energy Times (NET) and Mr.
Krivit. They wondered what NET's agenda might be since it would seem as if
Mr. Krivit is doing NET's bidding. It would seem that these individuals
Since Mr. Krivit would like us to accept his professional capacity both as
an objective and competent investigative journalist; since Mr. Krivit hopes
that enough of us will accept the conclusions he draws about Mr. Rossi
Co's real agenda, I have found myself questioning why Mr. Krivit seems to
(This is a resend)
Recently, I noticed that some within the Vort Collective have puzzled over
the relationship that seems to exist between New Energy Times (NET) and Mr.
Krivit. They wondered what NET's agenda might be since it would seem as if
Mr. Krivit is doing NET's bidding. It would seem
I think this engineer's guide to cats is the next best thing until an
engineer's guide to ecats becomes available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXBL6bzAR4
Harry
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