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Von: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
An: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 09.11.2011 08:18
Betreff: [Vo]:Krivit names some Rossi customer names
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-wired-u-
k-on-rossi-story/
It
On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Mate I'm not a physicists or an antagonists. Just a very practical
old power systems engineer. You have come up with a exotic theory
of scam that requires you to prove it.
Not true. It is not I who is making the claims. I merely
I'm going back to lurk mode to try to get something done ... or maybe
just go on vacation. 8^)
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
I will read your information. I do apologize for assuming you were a
LENR denier. But mate, values in the inside box to do a fraud? Maybe a
bit much.
AG
On 11/9/2011 7:21 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Mate I'm not a physicists or an
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote:
In Italy too
Is that a bamboo bong on Lisa's shoulder?
Not that I would know what a bong is, mind you.
T
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
I will read your information. I do apologize for assuming you were a LENR
denier. But mate, values in the inside box to do a fraud? Maybe a bit much.
Personally, I keep an open mind regarding possible hoaxing; but,
On Nov 9, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote:
In Italy too
Is that a bamboo bong on Lisa's shoulder?
Not that I would know what a bong is, mind you.
T
Report On A Conversation With George Miley
http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/08/report-on-a-conversation-with-george-miley/
Obviously, Krivit has a very strong personal opinion on the matter. It is
his blog, however, so he has every right to blog away to his heart's
content.
I wouldn't call this journalism however, especially objective journalism. I
wouldn't call it journalism because Krivit has made it very clear
David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com wrote:
Report On A Conversation With George Miley
http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/08/report-on-a-conversation-with-george-miley/
That looks impressive with the slides added.
Oops. There is a typo:
Although deloading is chemically endothermic, in some
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Rossi's demos have consistently not followed proper scientific protocol.
Therefore, what could any of these individuals say publicly on the matter –
ESPECIALLY from a scientific POV. If I were in their shoes I couldn't say
I think Krivit's New Energy Times web site name should be renamed to
something like Krivit Investigates, or something to that effect. A
title like Krivit Investigates would be a much more accurate
description of what it actually is that Mr. Krivit performs. It would
also be a more honorable
Hello. I have been following Rossi and the posts since the beginning and
am very fascinated.
Rather than a fraud, I believe Rossi is on to something incrementally
better than those that came before. He has more success starting the
reaction, however I think he has little control over it once
AG, I think that Horace is giving it a good effort to come up with a scheme to
prove it is possible to simulate Rossi's results. That is OK as Rossi has done
everything within his ability to confuse the data and leave himself open to
serious doubt. I suspect that it is not a coincidence
From: Jeff Sutton jsutton.sudb...@gmail.com
Hello. I have been following Rossi and the posts since the beginning and am
very fascinated.
Rather than a fraud, I believe Rossi is on to something incrementally better
than those that came before. He has more success starting the reaction,
The self sustaining mode as demonstrated basically is just a
quasi exponentially damped energy source that cools down at its internally
determined rate. It must be reheated to operational temperature. He once
talked of using a duty cycle of power input followed by zero power input
to keep it
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com wrote:
Report On A Conversation With George Miley
http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/08/report-on-a-conversation-with-george-miley/
That looks impressive with the slides added.
On 11-11-09 11:21 AM, Jeff Sutton wrote:
Hello. I have been following Rossi and the posts since the beginning
and am very fascinated.
Rather than a fraud, I believe Rossi is on to something incrementally
better than those that came before. He has more success starting the
reaction, however
On 11-11-09 11:37 AM, David Roberson wrote:
AG, I think that Horace is giving it a good effort to come up with a
scheme to prove it is possible to simulate Rossi's results. That is
OK as Rossi has done everything within his ability to confuse the data
and leave himself open to serious
*The Rossi reactor has evolved over time and these changes inform how Rossi
controls his reactor.*
* *
*Initially, Rossi had an internal heater whose function it was to produce
exotic forms of hydrogen.*
* *
*It is these little known hydrogen assemblages that make the Rossi reactor
work.*
* *
Good points. But then what is the control mechanism that does this?
Surely not the water flow rate as that is typically constant, nor the
heating element (especially with self-sustaining mode). Were there any
other control boxes or wires that were never specified? Some mysterious
frequency
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
How would you determine what his secret catalyst is? Without that you'll
likely be down by an order of magnitude or more from his power levels . . .
That is correct. Probably you would get no heat at all.
Similarly, I don't see how you could
Jeff Sutton jsutton.sudb...@gmail.com wrote:
He has shown it in self-sustaining mode but always shuts it down after a
few hours with some excuse. Why does he do that when the blockbuster note
would be the ecat just keeps on going. I suggest this must mean that the
ecat cannot just keep on
You make some good points and we know that there are neat and as yet
unknown processes at play.
wrt
*In detail, the area around and very close to the internal heater produces
hydrogen plasma. *
Great but why doesn't the heat produced by the reaction itself form more
plasma? You are treating one
Agreed regarding self-sustaining time and there is something in the
reactor that needs to be reset. I suggest however, that simply adding
heat again cannot be it as that is saying one type of heat is different
from the other.
Is the heater a DC device or AC with some important frequency?
On
*Great but why doesn't the heat produced by the reaction itself form more
plasma? You are treating one heat different from the other, unless there
is some geometry involved?*
* *
*Geometry is involved.*
* *
*I have always assumed that there is a space between the powder and the
heater where
*If memory serves, someone on vortex saw that the internal heater was
pulsed from looking at a movie of a scope either in the first or a very
early demo.*
* *
*I would think that an alternating plasma would increase the production of
Rydberg matter since RM condenses out of the plasma as the
2011/11/9 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
The material I have analyzed fits inside the 30x30x30 cm box. The 50x60x35
cm exterior box to which others refer is irrelevant, except when water
levels and temperatures are simulated.
If you think that there is a 30×30×30 cm³ black box (it was
In Japanese, but you can Google translate it:
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/atcars/news/2009-OYT8T00182.htm
Photo:
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/zoom/2009-OYT9I00181.htm
It features the ability to park itself after the passenger alights. You
can call it from the parking lot with your cell
U.S. down, China way up. See:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2011/11/07/welcome_to_the_reckoning_a_blog_about_american_power_.html
- Jed
I think this is all a matter of self sustain mode needing much finer control
about a threshold point while powered mode can use a duty factor approach
where the material is constantly being reset much further below threshold then
pushed back into runaway every cycle. When he removes the high
Heat a secondary effect ?
Could the heater be a coil fed with sawtooth pulses to create collapsing
magnetic fields
that somehow promote the reactions ?
QM wonderland ;)
Non physicist speculation here...
JG Moreau
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:29:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Control
Greetings Vortex,
Rossi will go down in history in the control of cold fusion reaction, and
perhaps
this his patent forte.
Respectfully,
Ron Kita
Someone asked me how to download all files from LENR-CANR.org including the
HTML screens. I recommend:
http://www.webreaper.net/
Do not open more than three or four channels at a time or you may prevent
others from accessing the site.
This works well with any website that allows direct access
Jed Rothwell,
First say that I have always appreciated Your postings here on vortex that
often include interesting historical information on different related
subjects.
I have been following vortex-L since 1997 at the time when I worked together
with a Norwegian inventor on a ³Low Temperature
Rossi has said that each of the 107 E-Cat reactor boxes in the 1 MW demo
had a individual control system. Running in self sustain mode, with the
heater not being activated, the only other wires going into the reactor
box are those called RF as per the attachment. One would then assume
these
Dave you have made some good points and I will do as you suggest.
AG
On 11/10/2011 3:07 AM, David Roberson wrote:
AG, I think that Horace is giving it a good effort to come up with a
scheme to prove it is possible to simulate Rossi's results. That is
OK as Rossi has done everything within
A couple of recent Widom-Larsen LENR presentations are at:
Lattice Energy LLC- Mystery of the Missing Nickel and Vanadium-Nov 6 2011
http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-lcc-mystery-of-the-missing-nickel-and-vanadiumnov-6-2011
Lattice Energy LLC Company Vision-September 11 2011
I omitted this recent Widom-Larsen LENR presentation:
Lattice Energy LLC-'Facts' about W-L Theory and LENRS-Oct 20 2011
http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-facts-about-wl-theory-and-len-rsoct-20-2011
Andrea Rossi
November 9th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
Dear UClaimExcessEnergy:
Again lecturing about tests !!! We receive 5 to 10 proposals per day to
make tests around the world, most of them from competitors, of course.
Please, read carefully:
1- we made all the tests we had to make
2- no more public
Jorn Erik Ommang j...@enerley.com wrote:
Question:
What Papers on Cold Fusion / LENR do you see as being the best we have in
the field.
Ahem . . . I would like to evade that question, if I might.
I think these papers express the views of most mainstream researchers in
this field:
See:
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-rossi-e-cat-customers.html
Am 09.11.2011 23:16, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
See:
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-rossi-e-cat-customers.html
New unknown customers shouldnt be a major problem.
Sterling D. Allan should be able to aquire them, as he was able for Mike
Bradys magnet motors.
First let me correct an earlier statement in this thread. In regards
to the pipe conduits to the interior box from the front of the outer
box I said: There are actually four: 1 water, 1 gas, 2 for
frequency generator input.
That was meant to say: There are actually four: 1 gas, 1 main
Rossi wrote:
Again lecturing about tests !!! We receive 5 to 10 proposals per day to
make tests around the world, most of them from competitors, of course.
Please, read carefully:
1- we made all the tests we had to make
2- no more public tests will be made, the phase of public tests is over
2011/11/10 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
(it was not mine
impression, but my impression is based on indirect conclusion made
that I do not remember anyone saying seen such a large black box
inside),
If you had read my paper you would have seen a photograph appended of the
30x30x30
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
Fraud or self delusion are of course possibilities I recognize, as do many
others, especially given Rossi's inability numerous times to provide
anything other than highly flawed calorimetry data, or refusal to admit the
importance of such mundane
Thank you and nice thoughts regarding control/gain. I had missed the RF
wires.
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Rossi has said that each of the 107 E-Cat reactor boxes in the 1 MW demo
had a individual control system. Running in self sustain
I might suggest that the 2 RF wires maybe multicore shielded cable. If
it was just 2 wires, why would Rossi need 2 penetration in the outer and
inner box? Way too many holes to seal against leaks. One cable may be
input and the other output, which are separated into 2 cables to reduce
cross
Seems someone did manage to click a few photos anyway.
AG
On 11/10/2011 9:38 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/11/10 Horace Heffnerhheff...@mtaonline.net:
(it was not mine
impression, but my impression is based on indirect conclusion made
that I do not remember anyone saying seen such a large
I don't doubt that Rossi has something new and fantastic, and I don't doubt
that he is eccentric in some way as are most of us and this explains some
of the nonsensical things. I also believe he is quite intelligent.
But the only way to think that his process makes any business-first
approach is
What if the patent theory is wrong and Piantelli or W-L is right? Would
he then be left with no protection other than trade secrets?
I do note he is seeking non disclosed uni research help as he tries to
get them to help him understand how his reactor really works. I don't
envy Rossi, knowing
requency generator inout? Is there any more info on that? I can tell you one
thing- the power company is not going to be too happy with Rossi or whoever
runs one of these things when they find out they are meter cheaters!
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
2011/11/10 Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com:
requency generator inout? Is there any more info on that? I can tell you one
thing- the power company is not going to be too happy with Rossi or whoever
runs one of these things when they find out they are meter cheaters!
I think too that the
I've spoken to Lewan about the device producing frequencies. I believe it
to be a meter cheater in that it produces high frequency energy that cannot
be tracked accurately by the clamp-on ammeter. Notice energy in= energy out
in Oct test before dpf is used. After switching on this device all
Ignoring the issue that the range of weak force is ~10-18m, around 1000x
smaller than a proton's radius, so it is kind of hard to make a lattice of
W bosons (one of the carriers of this force), that theory doesn't explain
where so many random radioactive are not formed. So, it is very difficult
2011/11/9 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
A small businessman, with a private
corporation, who has no grasp of how to deal with a potentially gigantic
worldwide market worth ~$1 trillion a year. As someone here remarked, he is
treating this like some guy who has come up with an improved
Poor Journalism by Fox News on Rossi Story
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-fox-news-on-rossi-story/
Poor Journalism by Physorg on Rossi Story
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-physorg-on-rossi-story/
Poor Journalism by Wired U.K. on Rossi
I see Krivit (like everyone else who screams scam) is rather short on detail on how the supposed scam is ACTUALLY supposed to work. A scam where you spend all your own money, sell your house, conduct 5 public demos where no-one notices anything, produce graphs of genius, get professors to agree to
Krivit seems to have an awful lot of time on his hands to follow other
peoples coverage of Rossi. Either this translates to traffic for his blog
and advertising revenue from it, he is mounting a personal vendetta of
impressive proportions, or he has another source of revenue to support
him as he
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
I've spoken to Lewan about the device producing frequencies. I believe it
to be a meter cheater in that it produces high frequency energy that cannot
be tracked accurately by the clamp-on ammeter. Notice energy in= energy out
High-voltage engineers create nearly 200-foot-long electrical arcs
using less energy than before.
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-extra-long-electrical-arcs-energy.html
I wonder if they looked for neutrons from the exploding wires.
Harry
You are correct about the catalyst and the actual core of the ECAT. I was
actually referring to the thermal environment and the behavior of the core
under operating conditions. This information would prove that the ECAT is
generating excess heat for all to see as opposed to now where many
I have been thinking about what should be inside the inner box as the
heat transfer from the reactor core to the fluid is no longer done
inside the door knob like reactor.
Rossi says there are 3 cores inside each module and that is all he says.
I would suggest he may have encased all the
‘It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday
is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow.’
— Robert Goddard
Harry
The three cores are now in a rectangular shape instead of cylindrical.
I would suggest that there is a thermal resistance(insulator of some sort)
desired between the cores and the heat sink. This would act as a thermal
matching system so that the cores can operate at nearly 600 C while the
Sure no CPU will survive inside or next to the core but next to the heat
sinks, easy to do. 140 deg C chips are available. Please share the data
on the rectangular cores. Never read that before. Swedish reporter did
say RF leads measured 300ma. Doesn't sound like a sensor. Easy to do PLC
For the per core driven output I get, 1,000 kWs / (52 modules X 3 cores)
= 6.41 kWs per core or 19.23 kWs per module of 3 cores. Based on 107
modules with 1 operational core (as demonstrated) and 479 kWs of output
that is 4.47 kW per core in self sustain mode.
AG
On 11/10/2011 4:01 PM,
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com
Comes up account suspended. WTF?
It is not for the first time, it happens...for a few hours.
Let's see...
What's strange- the blog reader rossilivecat.com is also
non-functional.
Peter
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
I expect his traffic volume has gone up and he's gone foul of limits
imposed by his web hosting service.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
It is not for the first time, it happens...for a few hours.
Let's see...
What's strange- the blog reader
The Blog reader may have been responsible for that. But then his traffic
volume data rate rate should not be that big and instead of suspending,
it should have charged him for any excess data traffic.
AG
On 11/10/2011 5:13 PM, Colin Hercus wrote:
I expect his traffic volume has gone up and
- Original Nachricht
Von: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 10.11.2011 07:30
Betreff: [Vo]:JNP site down
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com
Comes up account suspended. WTF?
They do maintenance.
Its time to put up the
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