Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd D system in 1991

2011-11-28 Thread Peter Gluck
PeterH, as far I remember the Liaw et al paper is published in the Proceedings of ICCF-2. I have donated my CF library to my friend the journalist Haiko Lietz who lives in Germany, I hope you know him personally. I think the above Proceedings are at him and he can send you a copy. As regarding

Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd D system in 1991

2011-11-28 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 28.11.2011 09:15 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd D system in 1991 PeterH, as far I remember the Liaw et al paper is published in the

Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd D system in 1991

2011-11-28 Thread Peter Gluck
Alternatively you could ask the main author- he is still active/young: http://www.hnei.hawaii.edu/template2.asp?userID=bliaw He has continued the work, after Pd with Ni but this was also abandoned. PeterG On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:34 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: - Original

Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd D system in 1991

2011-11-28 Thread peter . heckert
I think, this says all. This guy is a professional electrochemist and without doubt he has 1000fold more possibilities than I. If he gave up, he has doubts himself. If there is a serious chance for success others should try it, who have a laboratory. Patents dont hinder scientific research and

Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd D system in 1991

2011-11-28 Thread Daniel Rocha
Corrosion is something I always suspected that would lead Rossi to the use of a bit of copper with nickel Rossi, given that such alloys are more resilient to electrochemical processes. 2011/11/28 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com I spoke with Liaw at ICCF-2 Como 1991. The system had very great

[Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Just after I read that Larsen thinks LENR reactions can occur inside Lithium Ion batteries I read this: http://www.rex.com.au/MediaRelease/Files/295_MR2025%20-%20Mobile%20Phone%20Self%20Combustion.pdf Battery was reported as glowing Red hot. AG

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
More photos of the phone: http://www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au/community/travel-news/iphone-self-combusts-regional-express-34736.html#post522180 Sure made a mess of the phone. Maybe send the phone to Larsen to look for transmutation products? AG On 11/28/2011 8:15 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Andrea Selva
AG pictures are not visible to not registered members of this site 2011/11/28 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com More photos of the phone: http://www.**australianfrequentflyer.com.** au/community/travel-news/**iphone-self-combusts-regional-**

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Try this: https://picasaweb.google.com/100758632386227249211/November282011?authuser=0feat=directlink AG On 11/28/2011 8:23 PM, Andrea Selva wrote: AG pictures are not visible to not registered members of this site 2011/11/28 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
not so sure. Lithium batteries, (except the LiFePO4, that are an interesting product) are known to burn or explose if badly build or badly treated (chargeed or discharger roughly). this is hy normally (except in some chinese fraudes copy) there are safety Mosfet that limit discharge deepness and

Aw: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread peter . heckert
But nobody was hurt by radiation. So no nuclear reactions. Lets assume, the battery was charged and contained an energy of 7 Wh. Lets assume, this is released in 2 minutes. This means 210 Watt, and the peak power is probably higher. As soon as the batteri is no longer air tight, the lithium

Re: Aw: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Try this: http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/cfakepathlattice-energy-llc-len-rs-in-liion-battery-firesjuly-16-2010 AG On 11/28/2011 9:16 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: This is why I dont have my handy in my pocket ;-) What has this to do with LENR?

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
LENR are not well understood. it seems they happens, but the by product are not sure, and the theories are not proved. It is as presumptuous as to say that any kind of fusion produce neutron, gamma, and so-on, as presumptuous as to pretend that any current circulating produce heating , or any

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: peter.heck...@arcor.de An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 28.11.2011 11:46 Betreff: Aw: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone But nobody was hurt by radiation. So no nuclear reactions. Lets assume, the battery was charged and

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 28.11.2011 12:08 Betreff: Re: Aw: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone Try this:

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
That output was seen by everybody in the room when the reactor fired up. Rossi tried to damp it by increasing the water flow to max but when the outlet temp reached 40 deg C, he shut down the reactor and then restarted it. That is what happened if you believe Levi and the others that were

RE: [Vo]:Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe

2011-11-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From David: Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe http://bostonglobe.com/business/2011/11/28/cold-fusion-project-looks-for-hom e-massachusetts/w7FgGyI9Zx432chxuD5BEL/story.html Looks like you have to sign up and pay money to view the article. Regards, Steven

Re: [Vo]:Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe

2011-11-28 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 28 November 2011 15:39, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From David: Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe http://bostonglobe.com/business/2011/11/28/cold-fusion-project-looks-for-hom

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 28.11.2011 12:52 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone That output was seen by everybody in the room when the reactor fired up. Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe

2011-11-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi has interesting glasses in this picture. Anybody knows what they are? They are Clic magnetic glasses: http://www.speert.com/discount-sunglasses-products.cfm?SubCategory=Clic%20Magnetic%20Sunglasses T

Re: [Vo]:Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe

2011-11-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Thanks Jouni, Excerpt: Rossi said he would also like to develop small household cold fusion power generators in Massachusetts. I'm already planning to come back soon, [Rossi] said, We are hoping to get something started in a matter of weeks, not months. * * * * Looks to me as if Rossi is

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex Engine Critical Questions

2011-11-28 Thread James Bowery
This waterspout video seems to support the laminar hypothesis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN7ug1zoWWE On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Chapter 5 (page 107) of the 2011 doctoral thesis Numerical Simulation of Tornado-like

Re: [Vo]:Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe

2011-11-28 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Thank you Terry. G On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi has interesting glasses in this picture. Anybody knows what they are? They are Clic magnetic glasses:

Re: [Vo]:Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe

2011-11-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
orionworks sez: ... ... looking like the personification of God Almighty himself (circa Old Testament) Akshully, the more I think of it, I suspect Randi is trying to emulate the Darwin look. http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96feb/darwin.html Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:11 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It has been suggested that it is not possible to obtain the rapid increase in output power measured for the Rossi ECATs. The reason stated is that the core would have to have its temperature multiplied by a factor of

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex Engine Critical Questions

2011-11-28 Thread James Bowery
Indeed, there is a similar phenomenon over land known as landspouts that are known to be laminar. It looks like Natarajan screwed up. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:07 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: This waterspout video seems to support the laminar hypothesis.

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: OK Horace, You have supplied the information that is needed to answer the questions. By my reading of the graphs, they contradict your ideas. They show that a step increase in the power input results in a very gradual

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread David Roberson
You misread the graph. Ask Horace to help you understand what it shows as he has the program that answers your question. Direct any further inquires to him. I am confident he can straighten your problem out. A graph is worth many words Cude. It is clear that a large instantaneous fixed

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-28 04:45 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Just after I read that Larsen thinks LENR reactions can occur inside Lithium Ion batteries I read this: http://www.rex.com.au/MediaRelease/Files/295_MR2025%20-%20Mobile%20Phone%20Self%20Combustion.pdf Battery was reported as glowing Red hot.

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:59 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: You misread the graph. Ask Horace to help you understand what it shows as he has the program that answers your question. Direct any further inquires to him. I am confident he can straighten your problem out. A graph

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread Rich Murray
Joshua Cude has completed his proof that Rossi's own data from the 1 MW demo shows unavoidably that it is certain that no excess heat was produced. Q.E.D. https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2shva=1#inbox/133e0a55a24df9e5 Joshua Cude 7:20 AM (56 minutes ago) to vortex-l On Sat, Nov 26, 2011

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread David Roberson
I find it strange that anyone would assume that a proof has been generated that the power output does not show excess heat. I think you should read Mr. Cudes' mailings as he suggests that the power output could be anywhere between 70kW and 470kW. I think I recall him suggesting that if it is

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
OT : the LiFePO4 battery don't have that problem. they can sustain hard charge or discharge, support fire or explosion, staying as flegmatic like an english man. they have a slightly lower massic capacity, but not so much after some real use. I don't understand why they are not so common... maybe

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-28 11:21 AM, Rich Murray wrote: Joshua Cude has completed his proof that Rossi's own data from the 1 MW demo shows unavoidably that it is certain that no excess heat was produced. Q.E.D. Jeeze, Rich, if you're going to post things that boil down to We are the chorus, and we

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread David Roberson
Maybe you do not understand my position in this question. I am not convinced that there is a large power increase that you speak of. Horace has produced a graph and a method that should be able to answer that question. If it is in fact there, his technique should reveal it. Do you argue

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's 2011 USPTO patent application

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:47 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Of all of this patent goings on, no one has applied for a patent to produce electrical power directly from a LENR reaction. The don't know enough. They are just making thermal energy to spin a turbine. Who is spinning a turbine

Re: [Vo]:Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Marcello Vitale mvit...@ucsbalum.netwrote: “Rossi said he was not ready for a full academic investigation of his technology because he doesn’t yet have full patent protection,’’ Tamarin said. “That’s consistent with it not working, but it’s also consistent

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
So, if I understand you correctly, patent protection doesn't work. So why do we bother with an expensive patent office and all those millions (billions?) of patents?

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:46 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Maybe you do not understand my position in this question. I am not convinced that there is a large power increase that you speak of. Neither am I. But according to Rossi's claims in his report, there has to be one. He

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-28 Thread Daniel Rocha
BTW, Defkalion scheduled the announcement for Wednesday. 2011/11/28 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com So, if I understand you correctly, patent protection doesn't work. So why do we bother with an expensive patent office and all those millions (billions?) of patents? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-28 Thread Ethan Ernest
U.S. Constitution Article I, Section 8   Ripple~Effects New York 212~924~5996 .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' From: Mary

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-28 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
experience of small companies owning patents, or small inventors owning patents, is that big corps usually find a way to get around, especially when collaborating with the inventor before. (It is why the inventor of smartcard get out of France, feeling abused by his big partner) I'm sure that

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Hank Mills November 28th, 2011 at 1:15 AM Hello Andrea, I apologize if I’m not controlling my passion about this topic quite as well as I should. I think the lies of the cynics and competitors (which I read everyday), are making me a bit more angry than usual. Out of jealousy and envy, they

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-28 12:28 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: [ ... ] Andrea Rossi November 28th, 2011 at 1:15 AM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=35#comment-133038 Dear Hank Mills (regarding the answer to RH): I am very sorry, but I must say I do not agree on the fact that further

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Hank Mills November 28th, 2011 at 1:15 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=35#comment-133037 Hello Andrea, I apologize if I’m not controlling my passion about this topic quite as well as I should.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Yes, I will sign up too. Alan we miss the bandwagon. I guess Mary is taking all the money. G On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: ** On 11-11-28 12:28 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: [ ... ] Andrea Rossi November 28th, 2011 at 1:15

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:36 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I think I recall him suggesting that if it is in fact 470 kW, then that is due to LENR energy release. I would assume that he will come back and respond to your statement in that manner. You recall incorrectly.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, I will sign up too. Alan we miss the bandwagon. I guess Mary is taking all the money. G You can have the Rossi business. I'm concentrating on debunking Hugh Deasy's antigravity machine. Boeing is paying

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's 2011 USPTO patent application

2011-11-28 Thread ecat builder
Frank, If LENR is mostly beta decay, I'm not sure why its not work like a betavoltaic. It would be the killer app of the century. Please get to work. :) Who is spinning a turbine with LENR? MY, You are comments are snide, cantankerous and counter-productive. Its no wonder you're hiding behind a

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread David Roberson
But does it fit the possibility of 470 kW also? -Original Message- From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta On Mon, Nov 28,

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's 2011 USPTO patent application

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.comwrote: MY, You are comments are snide, cantankerous and counter-productive. Its no wonder you're hiding behind a pseudonym. He didn't say people are spinning a turbine, he said they are generating heat _to_ spin a turbine.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread David Roberson
They do not pay us enough :-) The hours are long and the pay is short. -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 12:38 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test On

[Vo]:Defkalion Announcement on Wednesday

2011-11-28 Thread Robert Leguillon
From the Defkalion forum: Dear all, We will release the expected info pre-announced on November 14th 2011, on Wednesday, November 30th 2011. Thank you for your attention Defkalion GT to search for Defkalion statements in their forum, use:

Re: [Vo]:Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe

2011-11-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Now it seems you can see it without signing up. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Announcement on Wednesday

2011-11-28 Thread David Roberson
This should be an interesting announcement. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 1:30 pm Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion Announcement on Wednesday From the Defkalion forum: Dear all, We will

Re: [Vo]:Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe

2011-11-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Hold on here . . . This link seems to work: http://bostonglobe.com/business/2011/11/28/hope-skepticism-for-cold-fusion/w7FgGyI9Zx432chxuD5BEL/story.html It looks the same but there must be some difference. I got this link from Google alerts. If the Googlebot can read it so can we. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread Horace Heffner
On Nov 28, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I will sign up too. Alan we miss the bandwagon. I guess Mary is taking all the money. G You can have the Rossi business. I'm concentrating on debunking

Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd D system in 1991

2011-11-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I think, this says all. This guy is a professional electrochemist and without doubt he has 1000fold more possibilities than I. If he gave up, he has doubts himself. He gave up because he could not get funding. That is what he told me. This approach is

Re: [Vo]:Article about trip of andrea rossi to massachusetts from boston globe

2011-11-28 Thread Horace Heffner
On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Hold on here . . . This link seems to work: http://bostonglobe.com/business/2011/11/28/hope-skepticism-for-cold- fusion/w7FgGyI9Zx432chxuD5BEL/story.html It looks the same but there must be some difference. I got this link from Google

[Vo]:Concept car looks like a smart phone

2011-11-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is an extreme example of what I discussed in chapter 7 of my book: one technology imitating another. In this case Toyota is making cars that look like smart phones. See (in Japanese): http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/atmoney/news/2028-OYT1T01025.htm You can program your smart phone to display

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's 2011 USPTO patent application

2011-11-28 Thread fznidarsic
There are two forces at work in the nucleus. The strong and the electromagnetic. In ordinary hot fusion only the static electrostatic repulsion and the static strong nuclear attraction are considered. There are other induced forces the electromagnetic and the dynamic strong nuclear spin

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's 2011 USPTO patent application

2011-11-28 Thread fznidarsic
Bite me Brad! MY, You are comments are snide, cantankerous and counter-productive. -Original Message- From: ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 8:01 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's 2011 USPTO patent application Frank, If

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's 2011 USPTO patent application

2011-11-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Bite me Brad! MY, You are comments are snide, cantankerous and counter-productive. He meant Mary Yugo, not you. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's 2011 USPTO patent application

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Bite me Brad! MY, You are comments are snide, cantankerous and counter-productive. He meant Mary Yugo, not you. Well, he can't bite me. He might have a disease.

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's 2011 USPTO patent application

2011-11-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Well, he can't bite me.  He might have a disease. You were going to let an alien bite you and you were going to BITE IT BACK! Talk about diseases . . . outta this world! T

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread David Roberson
I agree Horace. This is pathetic. Dave -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test On Nov 28, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Mary

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:54 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I agree Horace. This is pathetic. Dave Deasy, IIRC, has a PhD in a physical science or engineering and is a flight dynamics specialist by profession. He supported Steorn and for all I know, still believes that have

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's 2011 USPTO patent application

2011-11-28 Thread fznidarsic
Brad please accept my apology. I have worked hard and get slammed a lot. I have, through this, become a bit quick to react. Yes they want to make steam, however, with the positive thermal coefficient it is going to be difficult to control. Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 28.11.2011 22:01, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:54 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com mailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I agree Horace. This is pathetic. Dave Deasy, IIRC, has a PhD in a physical science or engineering and is a flight dynamics specialist by

[Vo]:NASA: Interesting LENR materials

2011-11-28 Thread Robert Leguillon
Interesting NASA materials (I've posted a couple of these before): Contract Statement of Work for LENR Support: R12.1 Material investigations: The Contractor shall investigate properties of electromagnetic materials (EM) in support of the R4LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) project.R4

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote: Am 28.11.2011 22:01, schrieb Mary Yugo: Aah now I see, it this is this guy:

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I suggest Rossi is more skilled in the art of understanding and controlling his reactors than anyone on the planet. He was there so his health was also at risk. It is a cheap shot to suggest to suggest he intentionally risked the others health. You were not were, so how can you judge? I do

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-28 Thread Bastiaan Bergman
@Peter As an aside, please let me know how do you interpret Focardi's declaration that he does not know what Rossi's catayst is. I think the obvious interpretation is that Rossi invented it, and didn't tell Focardi. I think that's the official story anyway and I don't see anthing wrong with that?

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: I suggest Rossi is more skilled in the art of understanding and controlling his reactors than anyone on the planet. He was there so his health was also at risk. It is a cheap shot to suggest to suggest he

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi has written on his blog about having had many explosions.  I want to see one (somewhere isolated where nobody can get hurt).  That would be interesting ... and fun. I searched his responses on JoNP and never found

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Patents in themselves give the inventor no real commercial protection unless they have the funds and time to defend it in court. Investors like to see patents, so maybe they do have a use. AG On 11/29/2011 3:46 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote: experience of small companies owning patents, or

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi has written on his blog about having had many explosions. I want to see one (somewhere isolated where nobody can get hurt). That would be

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Patents in themselves give the inventor no real commercial protection unless they have the funds and time to defend it in court. Investors like to see patents, so maybe they do have a use. Rossi could patent the

[Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

2011-11-28 Thread Patrick Ellul
Hi all, I have set up a long bet on a well respected website where the money from both sides go to charity. If you have a strong opinion on either side of this debate, you can challenge this prediction and turn it into a bet. (Minimum $200). The prediction is: By November 30th 02013, Andrea

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Robert Leguillon
http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/04/rossi-says-that-over-the-years-has-blown-up-37-e-cats/ One of the questioner asked, “Another fun question: How many reactors have you blown up? (You have experimented to determine the safest size/pressures/temperatures. Stress testing is important!)” Rossi’s

Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
Good idea but you need tighter and way more specific criteria for how the bet can be won or lost. Widely accepted is sort of vague and loose. How about: - said to have been properly tested and said to work by fusion or LENR as advertised and with the net energy quotient quoted by Rossi (6:1 or

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
And how do you know that is the case? I would suggest he has. Even better to do it as a provisional. Rossi then gets another 12 months to keep it secret yet establishes a worldwide priority date. AG On 11/29/2011 9:51 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Robert Leguillon
BTW, the most random two-digit number is 37. When groups of people are polled to pick a “random number between 1 and 100”, the most commonly chosen number is 37. I'm not saying that he just pulled the number out of thin air. I'm saying that, if he were to pull a number out of thin air, odds

Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

2011-11-28 Thread Ahsoka Tano
Mary Yugo is correct. The term widely accepted to produce a COP of 6 could mean anything depending on the observer and testing methodology. By many accounts in this forum, many of whom are textually prolific, it is already widely accepted. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick Ellul

[Vo]:New Energy Times - A Conversation With Thomas Blakeslee

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
An interesting conversation: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/A-Conversation-With-Thomas-Blakeslee.shtml Is Krivit backing down a bit? AG

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: And how do you know that is the case? I would suggest he has. Even better to do it as a provisional. Rossi then gets another 12 months to keep it secret yet establishes a worldwide priority date. How do I know

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: BTW, the most random two-digit number is 37. Hilarious!

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times - A Conversation With Thomas Blakeslee

2011-11-28 Thread David Roberson
AG, Krivit has staked his reputation upon Rossi being a scammer and I have seen nothing to suggest that he believes otherwise. It all began with that June demonstration where Rossi made an attempt to snow Krivit. Krivit detected the games that Rossi was playing and tried to trap him and his

Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

2011-11-28 Thread Daniel Rocha
Widely recognized could mean that Fleishman and Pons and/or Rossi will get the nobel prize in 2013. High temperature conductivity, which is a much lesse expressive discovery, got within 1 year. If a couple customers confirm that e-cat works, which, if not a scam, is certainly going to happen

[Vo]:Next customer -- public, NE USA

2011-11-28 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Andrea Rossi November 28th, 2011 at 6:48 PM November 28th, 2011 at 6:48 PM Dear Herb Gills: Today we sold in the USA a 1 MW plant which will go to a normal Customer. This installation will be visitable by the qualified public. We wait to have completed the contractual procedure through the

Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

2011-11-28 Thread Patrick Ellul
Mary Yugo, Would you take up the challenge if I state the terms to be: More than 5 companies with at least 50 employees each publicly acknowledge the satisfactory use of E-Cat for at least 3 months Let me know, Patrick On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:

[Vo]:Energy-stress tensor of the sun

2011-11-28 Thread David Jonsson
Hi Can anyone help me to find it? David David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-28 Thread Horace Heffner
It appears there is debate here similar to the historic philosophical debate about how many angels can sit on the head of pin, when it is not determined the size or nature of the pin and whether angels exist. I am responding to this only to bring some clarity to what it is I am doing

[Vo]:ZENN Trading Halted Pending News

2011-11-28 Thread Terry Blanton
http://tmx.quotemedia.com/article.php?newsid=4783244qm_symbol=ZNN:CA Market Regulation Services - Trading Halt - Feel Good Cars Corp. - ZNN VANCOUVER, Jan. 18 /CNW/ - The following issues have been halted by Market Regulation Services (RS): Issuer Name: Feel Good Cars Corp. TSX-V Ticker

Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

2011-11-28 Thread Mary Yugo
Let me think about. They'd have to be verifiable as unrelated to Rossi and unconnected in any way other than as a client. Rossi probably has 5 companies and he can make any claims through them as he wants to -- for example Leonardo and Ampenergo so I don't think so. If this thing is real, it

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Provisionals do not have high visibility. I know. I use them. On 11/29/2011 10:46 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: And how do you know that is the case? I would suggest he has. Even

Re: [Vo]:ZENN Trading Halted Pending News

2011-11-28 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:51 PM 11/28/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: EEStor related? I wouldn't get my hopes up. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ZNN.V Peaked at 25% up from 10am -- coulda made a killing! (If I had any stock). Volume: 148,044

Re: [Vo]:Next customer -- public, NE USA

2011-11-28 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Way to go Rossi. Congratulations. Bit sad they beat us but then we need Ac kWs. AG On 11/29/2011 11:03 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Andrea Rossi November 28th, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Re: [Vo]:NASA: Interesting LENR materials

2011-11-28 Thread pagnucco
Thanks, Robert And, here is some forgotten LENR evidence from 1951 -- Lattice Energy LLC-LENRs ca 1950s-Sternglass Expts-Einstein Bethe-Nov 25 2011 http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llclenrs-ca-1950ssternglass-exptseinstein-bethenov-25-2011 Maybe established theory has

Re: [Vo]:Put your money where your mouth is - for charity

2011-11-28 Thread Patrick Ellul
Ok, so let's change it to: More than 10 companies with at least 50 employees and that Rossi has no ownership of, each publicly acknowledge the satisfactory use of E-Cat for at least 3 months So? On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Let me think about.

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