RE: [Vo]:E-Cat Horror
From Peter A second paper by Ugo Bardi using forced analogies and guilt by association. Very weak journalism and a kind of porcheria. irrespective of what Rossi has or hasn't. And a very harmful association of Krivit. I would call it treason- but this is a too great a word for such a stupid and counterproductive action. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend if he is the enemy of my cause. http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2012/03/e-cat-horror.html IMO, Ugo's post was just plain silly. To be fair, I suspect Ugo's was just trying to be humorous for the most part. Quite frankly, I thought it damaged Ugo's reputation, this particular installment and the lack of discrimination, far more than Ugo's humorous insinuations against Rossi's behavior. It was like watching another version of the Great Randi spouting off. an Italian version, that is. Regarding SK, let me perform an innocent guilt-by-association tactic of my own. Some of SK's editorials remind me of Nancy Grace's editorials: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace Excerpts: Controversies In 2011 a New York Times article David Carr wrote Since her show began in 2005, the presumption of innocence has found a willful enemy in the former prosecutor turned broadcast judge-and-jury. He criticized her handling of the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart, the Duke lacrosse team rape case, the Melinda Duckett interview and suicide and the Caylee Anthony case. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley told Carr that Grace, as an attorney and reporter, has managed to demean both professions with her hype, rabid persona, and sensational analysis. Some part of the public takes her seriously, and her show erodes the respect for basic rights.[14] [edit] Elizabeth Smart kidnapping ...and this as well: Suicide of interviewee Melinda Duckett In September 2006, 21-year-old Melinda Duckett committed suicide following an interview conducted by Grace concerning the disappearance of Duckett's 2-year-old son Trenton.[22] Grace interviewed Duckett less than two weeks after the child went missing, questioning her for her alleged lack of openness regarding her son's disappearance, asking Duckett Where were you? Why aren't you telling us where you were that day?[23] Duckett appeared confused and was unable to answer whether or not she had taken a polygraph test. When Grace asked her why she could not account for specific details, Duckett began to reply, Because I was told not to, to which Grace responded, Ms. Duckett, you are not telling us for a reason. What is the reason? You refuse to give even the simplest facts of where you were with your son before he went missing. It is day twelve. According to the CNN transcript, Duckett replied, (INAUDIBLE) with all media. It's not just there, just all media. Period. Grace then moved on to a media psychologist who asserted that Duckett was skirting around the issue.[22][23] The next day, before the airing of the show, Duckett shot herself, a death that relatives claim was influenced by media scrutiny, particularly from Grace.[22][24] Speaking to The Orlando Sentinel, Duckett's grandfather Bill Eubank said, Nancy Grace and the others, they just bashed her to the end. She was not one anyone ever would have thought of to do something like this.[22] CNN has also been criticized for allowing the show to air in the wake of Duckett's suicide.[25] Police investigating the case had not named Melinda Duckett as a suspect in the case at the time, but after her suicide the police did say that, as nearly all parents are in missing-child cases, she was a suspect from the beginning.[22] Final comment: In no way am I attempting to suggest that Rossi is in danger of committing suicide because of SK's relentless editorializations. Rather, as an analogy, I'm attempting to perform the equivalent of a same kind of guilt-by-association insinuation directed at SK for which SK's has attempted to insinuate concerning his relentless reporting on Rossi. I can't stand watching Nancy Grace, particularly when she goes on another one of her editorial rants. So, as innocent the insinuation goes: If the shoe fits. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Horror
Both papers of Bardi are of very low quality. You can write everything you want but Bardi has no contact with reality. The condition to lose from your reputation is to have one/some. I am sorry but Nancy Grace was completely unknown to me. Peter On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:03 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From Peter ** ** A second paper by Ugo Bardi using forced analogies and guilt by association. Very weak journalism and a kind of porcheria. irrespective of what Rossi has or hasn't. And a very harmful association of Krivit. I would call it treason- but this is a too great a word for such a stupid and counterproductive action. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend if he is the enemy of my cause.** ** http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2012/03/e-cat-horror.html ** ** IMO, Ugo’s post was just plain silly. To be fair, I suspect Ugo’s was just trying to be humorous for the most part. Quite frankly, I thought it damaged Ugo’s reputation, this particular installment and the lack of discrimination, far more than Ugo’s “humorous” insinuations against Rossi’s behavior. It was like watching another version of the Great Randi spouting off… an Italian version, that is. ** ** Regarding SK, let me perform an innocent guilt-by-association tactic of my own. Some of SK’s editorials remind me of Nancy Grace’s editorials: ** ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace ** ** Excerpts: ** ** *Controversies* ** ** In 2011 a New York Times article David Carr wrote “Since her show began in 2005, the presumption of innocence has found a willful enemy in the former prosecutor turned broadcast judge-and-jury. He criticized her handling of the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart, the Duke lacrosse team rape case, the Melinda Duckett interview and suicide and the Caylee Anthony case. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley told Carr that Grace, as an attorney and reporter, “has managed to demean both professions with her hype, rabid persona, and sensational analysis. Some part of the public takes her seriously, and her show erodes the respect for basic rights.”[14] [edit] Elizabeth Smart kidnapping ** ** ...and this as well: ** ** *Suicide of interviewee Melinda Duckett* ** ** In September 2006, 21-year-old Melinda Duckett committed suicide following an interview conducted by Grace concerning the disappearance of Duckett's 2-year-old son Trenton.[22] Grace interviewed Duckett less than two weeks after the child went missing, questioning her for her alleged lack of openness regarding her son's disappearance, asking Duckett Where were you? Why aren't you telling us where you were that day?[23] Duckett appeared confused and was unable to answer whether or not she had taken a polygraph test. When Grace asked her why she could not account for specific details, Duckett began to reply,* *** Because I was told not to, to which Grace responded, Ms. Duckett, you are not telling us for a reason. What is the reason? You refuse to give* *** even the simplest facts of where you were with your son before he went** ** missing. It is day twelve. According to the CNN transcript, Duckett replied, (INAUDIBLE) with all media. It's not just there, just all media. Period. Grace then moved on to a media psychologist who asserted that** ** Duckett was skirting around the issue.[22][23] ** ** The next day, before the airing of the show, Duckett shot herself, a death that relatives claim was influenced by media scrutiny, particularly from Grace.[22][24] Speaking to The Orlando Sentinel, Duckett's grandfather Bill Eubank said, Nancy Grace and the others, they just bashed her to the end. She was not one anyone ever would have thought of to do something** ** like this.[22] CNN has also been criticized for allowing the show to air in the wake of Duckett's suicide.[25] Police investigating the case had* *** not named Melinda Duckett as a suspect in the case at the time, but after her suicide the police did say that, as nearly all parents are in missing-child cases, she was a suspect from the beginning.[22] ** ** Final comment: In no way am I attempting to suggest that Rossi is in danger of committing suicide because of SK's relentless editorializations. Rather, as an analogy, I’m attempting to perform the equivalent of a same kind of guilt-by-association insinuation directed at SK for which SK’s has attempted to insinuate concerning his relentless reporting on Rossi. I can’t stand watching Nancy Grace, particularly when she goes on another one of her editorial rants. ** ** So, as “innocent”
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
I think Sterling was being ironic when he mentioned those things. He means that Rossi is a slippery eel and will not think twice to stab you in the back or lie, if that suits his needs. 2012/3/15 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com See: http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/rossi-loses-major-supporter-lets-reporter-into-his-home For some time now it would appear that Sterling has been showing more support of DGT's efforts as compared to Rossi's. Apparently, Sterling is miffed over the allegations that Rossi sez his eCats aren't nuclear devices. ...that and the fact that the location of the hinted-at Florida factory is an apartment address. Trying to put the best face forward the above article points out that: It should also be noted that by using a home office Rossi can write off part of his home in his taxes in the US. So it makes pretty good business sense. Shoot! I sure wish I cold work from home. My wife sure does. Rossi watching can be fun. You never know what's going to happen next. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Horror
From Peter: ... I am sorry but Nancy Grace was completely unknown to me. Then you are most fortunate. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:10:20 -0500, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: See: http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/rossi-loses-major-supporter-lets-reporter-into-his-home For some time now it would appear that Sterling has been showing more support of DGT's efforts as compared to Rossi's. Apparently, Sterling is miffed over the allegations that Rossi sez his eCats aren't nuclear devices. ...that and the fact that the location of the hinted-at Florida factory is an apartment address. Trying to put the best face forward the above article points out that: It should also be noted that by using a home office Rossi can write off part of his home in his taxes in the US. So it makes pretty good business sense. Shoot! I sure wish I cold work from home. My wife sure does. Rossi watching can be fun. You never know what's going to happen next. It doesn't make any sense to switch to supporting DGT. The company was formed as part of the Rossi venture. Either they're both scams, or neither are. Rob
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
From Robert, http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/rossi-loses-major-supporter-lets-reporter-into-his-home ... It doesn't make any sense to switch to supporting DGT. The company was formed as part of the Rossi venture. Either they're both scams, or neither are. As a cautionary tale, I am reminded of the continuing STEORN saga. Like most on this list, I had high hopes that the Irish company would finally unveil a prototype. However, the second time around, when that demonstration showed a device that, in my view, turned out to be utterly debatable as to whether it really showed convincing evidence of any kind of OU, the lesson it seemed to suggest to me is that even corporations that are presumed to be staffed with a number of smart engineers are not immune to occasionally stretching the truth to suit their own interpretation of what Mother Nature actually does. The burning question I have is whether the same scenario will unfold insofar as DGT and Rossi are concerned. Obviously, we hope not. More to the point, I hope not. Only time will tell. Stay tuned! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:FFG Open Source
Hi Vortex, PESN has a story about a move to open source a Fuel Free Generator technology to recharge batteries. http://pesn.com/2012/03/14/9602057_Johan_Open_Sourcing_His_Solid_State_Free_Energy_Charger/ This is similar to the FFG project in South Africa that PESN has listed as the number two exotic free energy technology. This could be a great case of crowd sourcing a new technology... You can donate to the cause if interested. - Brad Lowe
[Vo]:Rossi: No nickel consumed?
in his FAQ rossi give (like before) the idea that nickel is not consumed 1) Is the returned Ni all, or mostly, available to be reused, after reprocessing, in fresh E-Cat charges? 2) Is there a limit as to how many reprocessing cycles a Ni charge can undergo before it becomes unsuitable for use in an E-cat? 3) If the Ni does become unsuitable at some point, presumably it would still be suitable for general industrial use? 1- yes 2- no 3- sure, it should become scrap nickel. All the components of the E-Cat are recyclable in case of dismantling. Answered by Andrea Rossi What is your interpretation? It is not coherent with the transmutation observed, especially copper as said... as usual with rossi, I'm afraid that he make mistake an exagerate (or just it is a red herring)
Re: [Vo]:Rossi: No nickel consumed?
I interpret Rossi as saying that the amount of nickel consumed is insignificant before refueling is scheduled. The word mostly in the first question would be appropriate. Of course, if any nickel at all is left to be reprocessed one would not say that it becomes unsuitable for use per the second question and associated answer. And finally, the nickel can always be used for scrap nickel as long as any remains. I believe that Rossi is merely saying the same thing that he has for a long time which is that very little nickel is consumed in the reaction during normal operation. Dave -Original Message- From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com To: Vortex List vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2012 1:59 pm Subject: [Vo]:Rossi: No nickel consumed? in his FAQ rossi give (like before) the idea that nickel is not consumed 1) Is the returned Ni all, or mostly, available to be reused, after reprocessing, in fresh E-Cat charges? 2) Is there a limit as to how many reprocessing cycles a Ni charge can undergo before it becomes unsuitable for use in an E-cat? 3) If the Ni does become unsuitable at some point, presumably it would still be suitable for general industrial use? 1- yes 2- no 3- sure, it should become scrap nickel. All the components of the E-Cat are recyclable in case of dismantling. Answered by Andrea Rossi What is your interpretation? It is not coherent with the transmutation observed, especially copper as said... as usual with rossi, I'm afraid that he make mistake an exagerate (or just it is a red herring)
Re: [Vo]:Rossi: No nickel consumed?
Von: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:44 Donnerstag, 15.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi: No nickel consumed? I interpret Rossi as saying that the amount of nickel consumed is insignificant before refueling is scheduled. -Original Message- From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com To: Vortex List vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2012 1:59 pm Subject: [Vo]:Rossi: No nickel consumed? in his FAQ rossi give (like before) the idea that nickel is not consumed 1) Is the returned Ni all, or mostly, available to be reused, after reprocessing, in fresh E-Cat charges? 2) Is there a limit as to how many reprocessing cycles a Ni charge can undergo before it becomes unsuitable for use in an E-cat? 3) If the Ni does become unsuitable at some point, presumably it would still be suitable for general industrial use? 1- yes 2- no 3- sure, it should become scrap nickel. All the components of the E-Cat are recyclable in case of dismantling. Answered by Andrea Rossi # Dave, Alain, Rossi is consistent here. The clause in (1) is 'mostly'. As far as I can remember, it is said that Nickel is transmuted in the percentage-range. presumably due to the fact that there is limited penetration of H/Protons into the nanoparticles. Actually, if would be studied in more detail, when the energy-production slows down during the reaction, a lot of information could be gained about penetration-depths etc. But such information could only be extracted, if the scientific collective would work on that without prejudice on the detailed aspects of the phenomenon. Which it does'nt . So this is a self-inflicted wound of the scientific collective. btw, That Rossi is not a total crackpot: I remind you of the 2010 paper with Focardi. A new energy source from nuclear fusion (google that) which is also found on Jed's site. Interestingly enough they report COP of up to 415 (Table 1). Contrast this to Rossi's COP 6 for his commercial unit. Rossi the conservative. Ahem. all the best Guenter
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
On 15 Mar 2012, at 16:48, Robert McKay rob...@mckay.com wrote: It doesn't make any sense to switch to supporting DGT. The company was formed as part of the Rossi venture. Either they're both scams, or neither are. My speculation here is, that Sterling does not think that Rossi is a scam. He just thinks that he cannot encourage people to invest into Rossi's company, because he is unreliable and he may not have commercially feasible technology at hands. Unlike Defkalion; if Defkalion has something, then Rossi does not have commercially ready device, because Defkalion cancelled the contract, because ecat does not work properly... so they claimed, and if Defkalion has working Hyperions, then there is no reasons to doubt their words. (Too bad that Dick Smith cancelled the opportunity to test hyperions rigorously, if he had not, then we already would know whether Hyperions are real or phoney.) Anyway, Rossi has already made the worst ever economic crime against humanity when he decided not to go public back in 2008. Delaying the emergence of commercial cold fusion technology on a basis of selfish reasons, has already cost to global economy hundred times more than Greece financial crisis. * * * But isn't there any way to do investigation? US is full of private detectives, so I wonder why no one has not hired a private detective to dig everything what Rossi is doing, who are those investors and where is the factory. It should not be difficult to install some sort of tracking device into Rossi's car and follow him to the 'secret' location of his 'factory'. I have not seen much of persons to do investigations and digging them-self (expect Krivit). No one has not even bothered to interview Rossi's employees and not even his wife, who is one of the key figures in Leonardo Corporation. ―Jouni
[Vo]:Graphene Supercapacitor Holds Promise for Portable Electronics
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120315152524.htm
[Vo]:Plea for math/statistics expertise from RonPaulForums.com
The reason I'm posting this to vortex-l is that of all the candidates, the only one that represents a serious threat to establishment science is Ron Paul. The basic story is that a signature of vote flipping has turned up -- and the beneficiary in every case of this signature has been Mitt Romney. This analysis, if validated, could trigger the collapse of the Soviet, er, American Empire. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?363915-We-NEED-more-hands-on-deck.-Significant-evidence-of-Algorithmic-vote-flipping. The first message is a good synopsis of the current arguments.
