[Vo]:Exotic Casimir energy proposals for cavatation
Exotic proposals for cavatation An unusually exotic theory of sonoluminescence, which has received much popular attention, is the Casimir energy theory suggested by noted physicist Julian Schwingerand more thoroughly considered in a paper by Claudia Eberleinof the University of Sussex. Eberlein's paper suggests that the light in sonoluminescence is generated by the vacuum within the bubble in a process similar to Hawking radiation, the radiation generated at the event horizon of black holes. According to this vacuum energy explanation, since quantum theory holds that vacuum contains virtual particles, the rapidly moving interface between water and gas converts virtual photons into real photons. This is related to the Unruh effect or the Casimir effect. If true, sonoluminescence may be the first observable example of quantum vacuum radiation. The argument has been made that sonoluminescence releases too large an amount of energy and releases the energy on too short a time scale to be consistent with the vacuum energy explanation, although other credible sources argue the vacuum energy explanation might yet prove to be correct. See: Sonoluminescence as a QED vacuum effect: Probing Schwinger's proposal http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9805031v2 Also see Sonoluminescence as a QED vacuum effect: Probing Schwinger’s proposal http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=7cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CGIQFjAGurl=http%3A%2F%2Fe-cataustralia.com%2Fpdf%2FJulian_Schwinger-A_Progress_Report.pdfei=y3C0UNLQI6-F0QHslYG4Bgusg=AFQjCNFlILuJXB8eKBH0iYxqLrues4cGUgsig2=eFVbPwKIr_uXtl-abuE6cg By the way: Schwinger is recognized as one of the greatest physicists of the twentieth century, responsible for much of modern quantum field theory, including a variational approach, and the equations of motion for quantum fields. He developed the first electroweak model, and the first example of confinement in 1+1 dimensions. He is responsible for the theory of multiple neutrinos, Schwinger terms, and the theory of the spin 3/2 field; and yet Julian Schwinger had resigned from the American Physical Society (APS) to protest its censorship of his theoretical work on cold fusion from APS publications. Cheers: Axil
[Vo]:Sasquatch Sequenced
http://dnadiagnostics.com/press.html The genome sequencing shows that Sasquatch mtDNA is identical to modern Homo sapiens, but Sasquatch nuDNA is a novel, unknown hominin related to Homo sapiens and other primate species. Our data indicate that the North American Sasquatch is a hybrid species, the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens. end excerpt Actually both a Russian lab and the one above came to the same conclusion. However: http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/bigfoot-dna/ The hair samples that contain only human mtDNA are from a human. The samples from which the nuDNA is isolated are also from humans but with some contaminants or some other animal source mixed in. That seems to be a more parsimonious interpretation. I would like to know more about the source of the DNA, but I guess that will have to wait for the full details to be published. The fact that the human DNA is modern human (hence the need for the alleged hybridization to have occurred so recently in the past) is most easily explained as the source simply being modern humans. end excerpt This could get really interesting. What unidentified hominid could have mated with a human female 15,000 years ago considering they have excluded known hominids?
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: CSER is being launched at Cambridge University to protect us from Skynet: And now we have reassurance from the Pentagon: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/human-robot-kill The Pentagon wants to make perfectly clear that every time one of its flying robots releases its lethal payload, it’s the result of a decision made by an accountable human being in a lawful chain of command. Human rights groups and nervous citizens fear that technological advances in autonomy will slowly lead to the day when robots make that critical decision for themselves. But according to a new policy directive issued by a top Pentagon official, there shall be no SkyNet, thank you very much. more I feel reassured, do you?
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
between the demographic fears, debunked since decades (sorry, after 9 billion, humanity will reduce), the gibbs like it might be wrongly done or use, so just don't do it, the various fear about healt,, environment... and those existential fears tha get up to DoD or UNO, with debunked fear or SciFi... I think we (in occident ) have a problem... a mental problem... It starts to destroy more than it saves, to waste resources instead os saving, to kill instead of cure. Maybe also like many I forgot that humanity have been more stupid earlier... Hope so. We have old societal mental diseases (malthusianism, apocalipticalism, neo-animism, hypocondry) but now they are global. it remind me an article about post-modernism. it determine the kind of religion Archaic culture is feeling that human is controlled by the nature, and suffer from it... Religion is based on obeying nature, or lords... Modern culture is feeling that humans can control the nature. parapsychology develop as a symptom of self-confidence. post-modern culture feel so powerful that it is afraid to hurt the nature...Culpabilist animism develops. Hope LENR can make us more positive. 2012/11/27 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: CSER is being launched at Cambridge University to protect us from Skynet: And now we have reassurance from the Pentagon: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/human-robot-kill The Pentagon wants to make perfectly clear that every time one of its flying robots releases its lethal payload, it’s the result of a decision made by an accountable human being in a lawful chain of command. Human rights groups and nervous citizens fear that technological advances in autonomy will slowly lead to the day when robots make that critical decision for themselves. But according to a new policy directive issued by a top Pentagon official, there shall be no SkyNet, thank you very much. more I feel reassured, do you?
RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Over the years, I have learned to read Mills’ very carefully. The present website is a milestone on a road ahead. His policy has been to publish his progress while building and protecting BLP’s patent position. I see hints of more tricks in the CIHT technology. He is at a point of establishing the CIHT technology,, but what the validators did and reported is not a commercial product. A *domestic* product has to be like a water heater, buy-and-forget. One of the validators is from a company that makes high performance insulation; their report is worth reading. How the module in started, and how it performs with a intermittent household load, is not obvious yet from the website. Mills is an extraordinarily brilliant man who has thought through these matters. There is list ‘Society for Classical Physics’ which Mills monitors and gives terse response to sensible questions. All Mills’ work will be a footnote unless the BLP technology is applied worldwide. Eventually there will be utility-scale projects and cars going over a thousand miles on a liter of water. The 1.5 kW module will power homes in a good part of the world, and does not have to qualify as a ‘public utility’; it is a brilliant stroke. Eventually petroleum for fuel will become obsolete [it is really too valuable o burn]; nuclear will be obsolete; ‘solar’ will be obsolete’ ‘wind’ will be obsolete; economic and political structures based on the control of energy sources will become irrelevant. With unlimited, heap, safe energy we can recycle everything and desalinate the oceans for drinking water and irrigation. The CIHT technology is scalable; eventually it will power tools and toys. Mike Carrell From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? Thanks for the explanation for the site structure. I would like very much to see this technology advance as it would be idea to power automobiles for example if the energy density is adequate and can be extracted quickly. The requirement for elevated operating temperature gives me pause. I have the suspicion that energy can be stolen from the heating source and delivered to the test load unless some means is used to take into account the energy required as heat. The Blacklight device will have to compete with the other energy systems if it is to be successful, and I am attempting to hold it to the same standards as are applied to the others. With that in mind, I have to assume that anything that has not been demonstrated as a total system could be vaporware. A convincing test would be one where the heat required to operate the device is self supplied. Can I assume that the original heat required to jump start the device must be supplied by a conventional battery? If this is true, then I would hope that the input heat energy is a small portion to that soon supplied by the device. I am thinking of a car propulsion system. Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:29 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? Admittedly, the current BLP website might be confusing to one who has not been following Mills’ work. I have, yet it takes me a bit of work too. It might help to understand that the website is a set of ‘lab notes’, the latest in a series decades long. It establisher continuing ‘reduction practice’ of the discoveries contained in the massive Grand Unified Theory of classical Physics, which is a free download from the website. Read carefully the ‘Validation’. Six competent observers were independently given a briefing by Mills, and then assembled a small test ell and tested it with instruments whose calibrations were traceable to national standards. The data tables are available on the website. For these test cells, the energy gain is in the low multiples and the net power low, like a flashlight battery. But the cells run for months. One of the observers extrapolated the potential power density to the kW/liter range, but practical considerations, now being explored, may point to a lower level. A 10 watt ‘battery’ has been achieved, with 100 watts a target for 2012 and 1.5 kW next year. The current capacity is proportional to the area of the cell lamina, and the voltage proportional to the number of cell laminas in a stack. The water vapor [gas] must permeate the whole stack to realize maximum output. The cell operates at 450C to liquefy some lithium compounds as conductors, and the cell must be well insulated against heat loss; the energy to initiaed the operation is not part of the energy budget. Do not judge this cell as one would judge a LENR cell; it is a different beast altogether and requires study on
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Time travelling at the movies
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Their legs are shorter, I think. Check out this Ted Talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELu9ARLo0jc
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Like Mike, I also hope Mills will cut the way for CIHT from milliwatts to Megawatts during my lifetime. Peter. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote: Over the years, I have learned to read Mills’ very carefully. The present website is a milestone on a road ahead. His policy has been to publish his progress while building and protecting BLP’s patent position. I see hints of more tricks in the CIHT technology. He is at a point of establishing the CIHT technology,, but what the validators did and reported is not a commercial product. A **domestic** product has to be like a water heater, buy-and-forget. One of the validators is from a company that makes high performance insulation; their report is worth reading. How the module in started, and how it performs with a intermittent household load, is not obvious yet from the website. Mills is an extraordinarily brilliant man who has thought through these matters. There is list ‘Society for Classical Physics’ which Mills monitors and gives terse response to sensible questions. ** ** All Mills’ work will be a footnote unless the BLP technology is applied worldwide. Eventually there will be utility-scale projects and cars going over a thousand miles on a liter of water. The 1.5 kW module will power homes in a good part of the world, and does not have to qualify as a ‘public utility’; it is a brilliant stroke. Eventually petroleum for fuel will become obsolete [it is really too valuable o burn]; nuclear will be obsolete; ‘solar’ will be obsolete’ ‘wind’ will be obsolete; economic and political structures based on the control of energy sources will become irrelevant. With unlimited, heap, safe energy we can recycle everything and desalinate the oceans for drinking water and irrigation. The CIHT technology is scalable; eventually it will power tools and toys. ** ** Mike Carrell ** ** *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 4:12 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? ** ** Thanks for the explanation for the site structure. I would like very much to see this technology advance as it would be idea to power automobiles for example if the energy density is adequate and can be extracted quickly. The requirement for elevated operating temperature gives me pause. I have the suspicion that energy can be stolen from the heating source and delivered to the test load unless some means is used to take into account the energy required as heat. ** ** The Blacklight device will have to compete with the other energy systems if it is to be successful, and I am attempting to hold it to the same standards as are applied to the others. With that in mind, I have to assume that anything that has not been demonstrated as a total system could be vaporware. A convincing test would be one where the heat required to operate the device is self supplied. ** ** Can I assume that the original heat required to jump start the device must be supplied by a conventional battery? If this is true, then I would hope that the input heat energy is a small portion to that soon supplied by the device. I am thinking of a car propulsion system. ** ** Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:29 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ??? Admittedly, the current BLP website might be confusing to one who has not been following Mills’ work. I have, yet it takes me a bit of work too. It might help to understand that the website is a set of ‘lab notes’, the latest in a series decades long. It establisher continuing ‘reduction practice’ of the discoveries contained in the massive Grand Unified Theory of classical Physics, which is a free download from the website. Read carefully the ‘Validation’. Six competent observers were independently given a briefing by Mills, and then assembled a small test ell and tested it with instruments whose calibrations were traceable to national standards. The data tables are available on the website. For these test cells, the energy gain is in the low multiples and the net power low, like a flashlight battery. But the cells run for months. One of the observers extrapolated the potential power density to the kW/liter range, but practical considerations, now being explored, may point to a lower level. A 10 watt ‘battery’ has been achieved, with 100 watts a target for 2012 and 1.5 kW next year. The current capacity is proportional to the area of the cell lamina, and the voltage proportional to the number of cell laminas in a stack. The water vapor [gas] must permeate the whole stack to realize maximum output. The cell operates at 450C to liquefy
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote: He is at a point of establishing the CIHT technology,, but what the validators did and reported is not a commercial product. He has been at the point of doing something for the last 20 years. I get sick of hearing this. I stopped paying attention to him long ago. I am fed up with Rossi and Defkalion as well. Cold fusion researchers are also slow to make progress but at least they are independently replicated. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
For those, like Jed, who have watched the unfolding of the BLP/Rossi/Defkalion saga... some of it having gone on now for 20 years or more, it is understandable that many of them express doubt and frustration. Perhaps cynicism is an even better description to use here. Personally, I see incremental progress, but I freely admit the possibility that I might be looking through rose tinted glasses. (Wishful thinking on my part.) I am left the the feeling that all of the above mentioned organizations have been working with a mysterious technology that nobody really understands for which they hope can soon be exploited in the form of a popular commercial product... something akin to what Mr. Carrell recently mentioned - like a water heater sold at Sears. Obviously, nothing of the sort is even close to rolling off the assembly line at any of these organizations. Actually, BLP is more of a licensing company as compared to a manufacturing facility, so they would never develop a commercial product - just the rights to use the technology. Lately, it would seem to be BLP's turn to once again step up to the podium and make some bold claims... something akin to revealing a 100 watt prototype - soon. Later, I gather BLP claims they hope to assemble a kilowatt prototype for public scrutiny, perhaps sometime before the end of 2013... or was that 2014. Meanwhile, it is understandable that many cynical old-timers are prone to categorically state the fact that similar predictions have been made before. Indeed, they have. So, Is there really anything truly different this time around? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Time travelling at the movies
Very interesting Terry!! And there is much more evidence of anomalous 'history' about the human species and its presence on the planet. Read Forbidden Archeology or the condensed version, Hidden History of the Human Race This is a comment from the Amazon.com page on Hidden History... and this is from a geologist! In a sentence: If even a small part of this is true it turns evolution on its ear. I was given this book by a friend for no particular reason and immediately scoffed at it. As a geologist, I had learned quite a bit about evolution and the filtered information regarding the accepted evidence. I eventually started reading it and what I read in this book makes my hair stand on end. The lack of documentation regarding true discoveries of human antiquity by the elite of archeology and anthropology is as astounding as the categorical dismissal of other evidence is deplorable. To dismiss evidence of greater antiquity of man because it doesn't fit existing data and just can't be is a tragedy of the ages. Makes me wonder how much of this goes on in my own profession. The real point is that 'ALL' of the evidence should be openly displayed and discussed and studied, not just what some elite scholar or museum administrator thinks we should see. Also more support for how LENR was suppressed... it's really the norm for science when the evidence is way outside the paradigm. -Mark
[Vo]:microelectronic radiation dosimeter
For those of you wanting to build your own radiation detector. http://www.teledynemicro.com/space/space_micro_dosimeter.asp With a footprint of 1.4 x 1.0 x 0.040 and a total weight of 20 grams, Teledyne Microelectronics' new Class K Space qualified radiation Micro Dosimeter is the smallest, lightest radiation measurement device on the market today. Measures * Electrons * Protons * Cosmic Rays * Gamma Rays * X-Rays Don't know the cost, but it probably ain't cheap. -Mark Iverson
Re: [Vo]:Exotic Casimir energy proposals for cavatation
Axil, Severaol other preprints (most later published after peer-review) proposing speculative sonoluminescence theories are: Sonoluminescence and quantum optical heating http://arxiv.org/abs/0904.0885 Environment-induced heating in sonoluminescence experiments http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.7022 Quantum Optical Heating in Sonoluminescence Experiments http://arxiv.org/abs/0904.1121 Emission of photons through cavity mirrors in the absence of external driving http://arxiv.org/abs/1102.4254 Composite quantum systems and environment-induced heating http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.1551.pdf -- Lou Pagnucco Axil wrote: Exotic proposals for cavatation An unusually exotic theory of sonoluminescence, which has received much popular attention, is the Casimir energy theory suggested by noted physicist Julian Schwingerand more thoroughly considered in a paper by Claudia Eberleinof the University of Sussex. Eberlein's paper suggests that the light in sonoluminescence is generated by the vacuum within the bubble in a process similar to Hawking radiation, the radiation generated at the event horizon of black holes. According to this vacuum energy explanation, since quantum theory holds that vacuum contains virtual particles, the rapidly moving interface between water and gas converts virtual photons into real photons. This is related to the Unruh effect or the Casimir effect. If true, sonoluminescence may be the first observable example of quantum vacuum radiation. The argument has been made that sonoluminescence releases too large an amount of energy and releases the energy on too short a time scale to be consistent with the vacuum energy explanation, although other credible sources argue the vacuum energy explanation might yet prove to be correct. See: Sonoluminescence as a QED vacuum effect: Probing Schwinger's proposal http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9805031v2 Also see Sonoluminescence as a QED vacuum effect: Probing Schwingers proposal http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=7cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CGIQFjAGurl=http%3A%2F%2Fe-cataustralia.com%2Fpdf%2FJulian_Schwinger-A_Progress_Report.pdfei=y3C0UNLQI6-F0QHslYG4Bgusg=AFQjCNFlILuJXB8eKBH0iYxqLrues4cGUgsig2=eFVbPwKIr_uXtl-abuE6cg By the way: Schwinger is recognized as one of the greatest physicists of the twentieth century, responsible for much of modern quantum field theory, including a variational approach, and the equations of motion for quantum fields. He developed the first electroweak model, and the first example of confinement in 1+1 dimensions. He is responsible for the theory of multiple neutrinos, Schwinger terms, and the theory of the spin 3/2 field; and yet Julian Schwinger had resigned from the American Physical Society (APS) to protest its censorship of his theoretical work on cold fusion from APS publications. Cheers: Axil
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Time travelling at the movies
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Very interesting Terry!! And there is much more evidence of anomalous 'history' about the human species and its presence on the planet. Read Forbidden Archeology or the condensed version, Hidden History of the Human Race Yes, I've read Cremo and Thompson. How about Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval? They have good evidence for the Sphinx being 12,000 years old. That puts it around the same age as Gobekli Tepe.
Re: [Vo]:The value of pulsing in bursts
Dear Axil, I think you are correct. I would only add one thing and that is that the loading current (DC) also appears to be necessary in electrolysis. I have been getting some interesting results using simultaneous DC and AC currents with 4 electrodes in the cell with the DC cathode placed in between the electrodes for AC current. So far, I have seen excess heating in 10/13 experimental runs, compared with 0/4 in control runs using galvanized steel cathode. I have some new equipment coming where I'm hoping to tease apart whether high voltage or high current pulses are more important. I should have data on 3 more experiments by the time I get home from work today (it runs automatically and emails the results to me when it finishes). So, I'm getting some interesting results, but I'll keep trying to disprove them. Jack On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Try https://www.youtube.com/user/rwg42985?feature=g-user-u Axil On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: From Axil: We are seeing this in the Papp reaction were continuous high voltage spark discharge is ineffective in moving the piston but high power capacitive spark discharge moves the piston vigorously. Are you convinced that the increased piston reaction from the capacitive discharge is not just due to the amount of energy difference between the sources? I tend to believe that the current flow generates the force. The current is much larger from the capacitor bank and the net energy is also far higher. My mental model is that the device acts in the manner of an electric motor. Has there been recent videos from the experimentation? I lost my link. Dave
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Time travelling at the movies
I agree Mark. All of the evidence should be openly discussed without filtering. I suspect that it is normal for the experts to push their views of reality upon us ignorant masses. How would anyone except for the experts be capable of finding the truth hidden under so many loose rocks? Also, it would be difficult to construct a coherent time line which has more holes than materials if serious filtering is not used. In my estimate this filtering procedure is merely a technique used to cover the lack of knowledge. What is so wrong with stating that it is not known at this time versus pretending to have all of the important answers? It would even be advantageous for us as a whole if the many weakly supported concepts were listed somewhere in a public location so that anyone could give them thought. For example, I would love to know where the major holes are in quantum theory. I am confident that there are very many to consider. The more these issues are discussed, the quicker solutions will be uncovered. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2012 1:08 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Time travelling at the movies Very interesting Terry!! And there is much more evidence of anomalous 'history' about the human species and its presence on the planet. Read Forbidden Archeology or the condensed version, Hidden History of the Human Race This is a comment from the Amazon.com page on Hidden History... and this is from a geologist! In a sentence: If even a small part of this is true it turns evolution on its ear. I was given this book by a friend for no particular reason and immediately scoffed at it. As a geologist, I had learned quite a bit about evolution and the filtered information regarding the accepted evidence. I eventually started reading it and what I read in this book makes my hair stand on end. The lack of documentation regarding true discoveries of human antiquity by the elite of archeology and anthropology is as astounding as the categorical dismissal of other evidence is deplorable. To dismiss evidence of greater antiquity of man because it doesn't fit existing data and just can't be is a tragedy of the ages. Makes me wonder how much of this goes on in my own profession. The real point is that 'ALL' of the evidence should be openly displayed and discussed and studied, not just what some elite scholar or museum administrator thinks we should see. Also more support for how LENR was suppressed... it's really the norm for science when the evidence is way outside the paradigm. -Mark
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
at least Defkalion with nelson can claim few hundred watt with good control 2012/11/27 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com For those, like Jed, who have watched the unfolding of the BLP/Rossi/Defkalion saga... some of it having gone on now for 20 years or more, it is understandable that many of them express doubt and frustration. Perhaps cynicism is an even better description to use here. Personally, I see incremental progress, but I freely admit the possibility that I might be looking through rose tinted glasses. (Wishful thinking on my part.) I am left the the feeling that all of the above mentioned organizations have been working with a mysterious technology that nobody really understands for which they hope can soon be exploited in the form of a popular commercial product... something akin to what Mr. Carrell recently mentioned - like a water heater sold at Sears. Obviously, nothing of the sort is even close to rolling off the assembly line at any of these organizations. Actually, BLP is more of a licensing company as compared to a manufacturing facility, so they would never develop a commercial product - just the rights to use the technology. Lately, it would seem to be BLP's turn to once again step up to the podium and make some bold claims... something akin to revealing a 100 watt prototype - soon. Later, I gather BLP claims they hope to assemble a kilowatt prototype for public scrutiny, perhaps sometime before the end of 2013... or was that 2014. Meanwhile, it is understandable that many cynical old-timers are prone to categorically state the fact that similar predictions have been made before. Indeed, they have. So, Is there really anything truly different this time around? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Lattice Energy Paper from ANS Winter Meeting - Nov 2012
Discussion of Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions (3 page summary) Electroweak Neutron Production via e+p -- n+v and Capture During Lightning Discharges http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/larsen-lans-winter-meeting-san-diego-ca-04150417-nov-2012
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: the gibbs like it might be wrongly done or use, so just don't do it You should read what I write more carefully: I didn't say CF/LENR shouldn't be used but that possible unintended consequences should be considered. [mg]
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: You should read what I write more carefully: I didn't say CF/LENR shouldn't be used but that possible unintended consequences should be considered. That seems sensible to me. Perhaps you should write about some of the unintended benefits. We can avoid unintended problems by anticipating them. The article raised the issue of lax regulations in third world countries. Even countries such as India and China now have sophisticated anti-pollution laws. Their cars are much cleaner than U.S. cars were in 1960. So, even poor countries will abide by sensible environmental regulations, if potential problems are explained clearly, and if cost-effective ways to avoid problems are engineered into the system from the start. As I pointed out, it is easy to keep tritium or any other radioactive materials sealed in a cold fusion cell. Tritium today is safely sealed in emergency exit signs, in a higher concentration than it is likely to be found in a cold fusion cell. The cell can be recycled in a sophisticated factory where the tritium is captured. India has thousands of state-of-the-art factories. I saw them lined up for miles along the highway going out of Chenai. Every major Japanese and European company has assembly plants. It would take only a dozen or so factories to recycle every cold fusion device in the country, assuming the devices last 10 years. The country can easily afford that. Furthermore, there is not likely to be any economic benefit to opening up the cells and recycling them manually, the way the Chinese recycle computers. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
Ok, I exaggerate, it is a litte a strawman rhetoric... sorry. I'm inspired by less subtiles fearmonger on any subject that reach the media and even the politicians... managing risk is ok, but we should not forget the gain, to avoid the drawbacks... people forget a little that today situation is not so nice, that some people dies of lack of many things, and much more than of pollution, of catastrophe, of technological accident... fighting drawback , pollution, risk, is mostly no-regret, but today there is a tendency to avoid any progress because of unvalidated fears... protection principle is good, watring principle too, precaution no. a better approache, beside avoiding know risk, and solving know problems, is to learn so you can react to the unexpected, instead of trying to anticipate all... which does not work... On some place I've heard that LENr could destroy the atmosphere by destroying oxygen... fear of robots invasion too is crazy, while I feel more rational to observe adults and kids, and see how dependent we are, and how it change our approach to problem solving, making us powerful but also weak... mobile phone don't kill by wave, but by stealing our brain on the road... We have enoug real risk and proble, not to prepare for all. LENR like gas might be dangerous (because of hydrogen, of heat, of steam)... It remind me a nuclear waste storage where they focus so strongly on radiation, than they forget that some chemicals were simply toxic, even dead cold. In Grenoble zone I've discussed with local safety expert, and she said me that old factories were nearly ignored by safety, while new one where over regulated, and nuke above all... today risk management seems crazy, and focused on the fear of new things, of technology, and not on old or natural things. LENR I agree, will probably cause strange effects... some good, some bad, many funny or crazy... let us prepare to adapt, we are programmed to. sorry for that bad mood, I'm a bit fed up by our state of permanent fear... 2012/11/27 Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: the gibbs like it might be wrongly done or use, so just don't do it You should read what I write more carefully: I didn't say CF/LENR shouldn't be used but that possible unintended consequences should be considered. [mg]
[Vo]:Wigner effect?
Does anybody know of a sensible counter-argument (or maybe even a peer reviewed refutation) to the idea that the anomalous heat of cold-fusion/LENR might just be due to a Wigner-(like)-Effect? I had never heard of the Wigner Effect until a couple of days ago when I was reading about the Windscale fire (sorry about the use of Wikipedia links). It got me thinking about whether the documented swelling of palladium during loading could lead to a similar Wigner (like) Effect deformation of the palladium lattice which could then release stored energy abruptly - as happened in the graphite moderators in the Windscale fire. Following up on this, I found Douglas R.O. Morrison's Cold Fusion News article on NET which includes the following paragraph: "Prof. Bockris of Texas AM give a talk entitled "Seven Chemical Explanations of the Fleischmann-Pons effect" where he estimated the heat excess produced but always got values much less than the early claims of F-P and of Huggins of the order of 10 Watts - the highest he calculated was 0.9 W for the Pauling suggestion of PdH2 formation. He was asked about the Wigner effect, but had not considered it [ comment - this is a favourite explanation of many people. It was responsible for a large release of radioactivity in about 1957 at Windscale - the neutrons absorbed by the graphite had stored a lot of energy in the graphite by changing its structure and the subsequent release of this energy caused the trouble. It had previously been predicted by Wigner. Similarly the absorption of hydrogen or of deuterium by palladium causes the palladium to swell and this stores a lot of energy in the cathode. When the loading stops (e.g. the current is switched off or the level of the electrolyte falls and exposes part of the cathode), then this Wigner energy can be released]." Obviously I missed out on part of the cold fusion story. So, counter-arguments? Andy.
Re: [Vo]:Wigner effect?
The Wigner effect cannot produce megajoules per mole. Morrison never understood that concept. That is why he failed to see the significance of a cell that produced 1,700 more energy than any chemical source of energy could. See: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Fleischmanreplytothe.pdf Perhaps he did not know the difference between power and energy. He seems to be confusing them in this Report, No. 14-28. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Wigner effect?
If billions of neutrinos are flowing through all matter all of the time, if you pack enough hydrogen in a concentrated area you are bound to get a head on collision now or then leading to beta decay. Probably also leads to hydrogen embrittlement over time and maybe the gravitational acceleration we all experience when we stand on our dark matter nucleus planets... We humans are just the beta decay frosting on the cake. http://theta13.lbl.gov/neutrinos_universe/neutrinos_01.html Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Tuesday, November 27, 2012, Andy Findlay wrote: Does anybody know of a sensible counter-argument (or maybe even a peer reviewed refutation) to the idea that the anomalous heat of cold-fusion/LENR might just be due to a Wigner-(like)-Effect? I had never heard of the Wigner Effecthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner_effectuntil a couple of days ago when I was reading about the Windscale fire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire (sorry about the use of Wikipedia links). It got me thinking about whether the documented swelling of palladium during loading could lead to a similar Wigner (like) Effect deformation of the palladium lattice which could then release stored energy abruptly - as happened in the graphite moderators in the Windscale fire. Following up on this, I found Douglas R.O. Morrison's Cold Fusion Newshttp://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/DROM/14.shtmlarticle on NETwhich includes the following paragraph: Prof. Bockris of Texas AM give a talk entitled Seven Chemical Explanations of the Fleischmann-Pons effect where he estimated the heat excess produced but always got values much less than the early claims of F-P and of Huggins of the order of 10 Watts - the highest he calculated was 0.9 W for the Pauling suggestion of PdH2 formation. He was asked about the Wigner effect, but had not considered it* [ comment - this is a favourite explanation of many people. It was responsible for a large release of radioactivity in about 1957 at Windscale - the neutrons absorbed by the graphite had stored a lot of energy in the graphite by changing its structure and the subsequent release of this energy caused the trouble. It had previously been predicted by Wigner. Similarly the absorption of hydrogen or of deuterium by palladium causes the palladium to swell and this stores a lot of energy in the cathode. When the loading stops (e.g. the current is switched off or the level of the electrolyte falls and exposes part of the cathode), then this Wigner energy can be released]. *Obviously I missed out on part of the cold fusion story. So, counter-arguments? Andy.
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: at least Defkalion with nelson can claim few hundred watt with good control I have not seen hard data from them. I mean quantitative information: instrument make and model, margin of error, power in, flow rate, temperatures, etc. Their presentation at ICCF17 was mainly new-age generalities, sort of like what the Correas present. I have no use for that. I want technical details. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: sorry for that bad mood, I'm a bit fed up by our state of permanent fear... Recommended reading for you: http://www.amazon.com/State-Fear-Michael-Crichton/dp/0061782661
Re: [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A Crisis Within a Crisis ???
I wrote: at least Defkalion with nelson can claim few hundred watt with good control I have not seen hard data from them. I mean quantitative information: instrument make and model, margin of error, power in, flow rate . . It may be that I have overlooked something they published. I confess I have not looked carefully. I quickly lost interest in the ICCF17 presentation. As I said, it is not the sort of lecture I want to hear. To my taste, the best presentations in cold fusion are made by Ed Storms, Mike McKubre, Mel Miles and Pam Boss. Pam in particular gets right to the point. She says exactly what needs to be said, with all the details you need to make a convincing case, and not a word wasted. More like an engineer than a scientist. That's a good thing. When Storms or McKubre give a presentation, you can make an audio recording, transcribe it, and voila -- you have a paper. Not many people have the ability to talk in complete sentences, arranged in organized paragraphs. Gene Mallove could also do that. I myself stick to writing everything down and reading it verbatim. I don't do extemporaneous. Someone wants me to do one of these local TED talks. I said fine, but none of this wandering around the stage nonsense. Give me a podium and a mic. Haven't heard back. I have a low regard for TED talks. Here is an Onion News sendup version of a TED talk, which sounds so much like the real thing, the irony may be lost: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=DkGMY63FF3Q Speaking of the Onion, they punked the Chinese People's Daily into believing one of their stories: Kim Jong-Un Named The Onion's Sexiest Man Alive For 2012 [UPDATE] http://www.theonion.com/articles/kim-jongun-named-the-onions-sexiest-man-alive-for,30379/ Either the People's Daily believed it to be real, or they have a sense of humor heretofore unseen. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Wigner effect?
Thanks for the link, Jed. I've only skimmed it (so far), but it has given me some insight into Morrison's stance on the issue. And yes, I also get annoyed by people who confuse power with energy (Rossi, conspicuously). However, the pdf does not mention the Wigner effect. You state that the Wigner effect cannot produce megajoules per mole - well that is the sort of information I'm looking for but could you point me to a paper (or even an idiots guide) that shows this to be so? After all, it did manage to overwhelm the cooling system at Windscale. Incidentally, congratulations on the new look lenr-canr site. A great improvement! Andy. On 27/11/12 22:50, Jed Rothwell wrote: The Wigner effect cannot produce megajoules per mole. Morrison never understood that concept. That is why he failed to see the significance of a cell that produced 1,700 more energy than any chemical source of energy could. See: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Fleischmanreplytothe.pdf Perhaps he did not know the difference between power and energy. He seems to be confusing them in this Report, No. 14-28. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Wigner effect?
I wasn't aware that hydrogen was capable of beta decay. Andy. On 27/11/12 23:03, ChemE Stewart wrote: If billions of neutrinos are flowing through all matter all of the time, if you pack enough hydrogen in a concentrated area you are bound to get a head on collision now or then leading to beta decay. Probably also leads to hydrogen embrittlement over time and maybe the gravitational acceleration we all experience when we stand on our dark matter nucleus planets... We humans are just the beta decay frosting on the cake. http://theta13.lbl.gov/neutrinos_universe/neutrinos_01.html Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Tuesday, November 27, 2012, Andy Findlay wrote: Does anybody know of a sensible counter-argument (or maybe even a peer reviewed refutation) to the idea that the anomalous heat of cold-fusion/LENR might just be due to a Wigner-(like)-Effect? I had never heard of the Wigner Effect until a couple of days ago when I was reading about the Windscale fire (sorry about the use of Wikipedia links). It got me thinking about whether the documented swelling of palladium during loading could lead to a similar Wigner (like) Effect deformation of the palladium lattice which could then release stored energy abruptly - as happened in the graphite moderators in the Windscale fire. Following up on this, I foundDouglas R.O. Morrison's Cold Fusion News article on NET which includes the following paragraph: "Prof. Bockris of Texas AM give a talk entitled "Seven Chemical Explanations of the Fleischmann-Pons effect" where he estimated the heat excess produced but always got values much less than the early claims of F-P and of Huggins of the order of 10 Watts - the highest he calculated was 0.9 W for the Pauling suggestion of PdH2 formation. He was asked about the Wigner effect, but had not considered it [ comment - this is a favourite explanation of many people. It was responsible for a large release of radioactivity in about 1957 at Windscale - the neutrons absorbed by the graphite had stored a lot of energy in the graphite by changing its structure and the subsequent release of this energy caused the trouble. It had previously been predicted by Wigner. Similarly the absorption of hydrogen or of deuterium by palladium causes the palladium to swell and this stores a lot of energy in the cathode. When the loading stops (e.g. the current is switched off or the level of the electrolyte falls and exposes part of the cathode), then this Wigner energy can be released]." Obviously I missed out on part of the cold fusion story. So, counter-arguments? Andy.
Re: [Vo]:Wigner effect?
Andy Findlay andy_find...@orange.net wrote: You state that the Wigner effect cannot produce megajoules per mole - well that is the sort of information I'm looking for but could you point me to a paper . . . According to ahem, cough, cough Wikipedia: Accumulation of energy in irradiated graphite has been recorded as high as 2.7 kJ/g, but is typically much lower than this . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner_effect Cold fusion cathodes of roughly 1 g have produced more than that in many cases, and in a few cases 50 to 150 MJ. In the debate between Fleischmann and Morrison I linked to, the cathode produced 1.1 MJ. As I recall it was small, probably ~1 g. Most of FP's early cathodes were small. The Wigner effect appears to be a form of mechanical storage, as near as I can tell. Generally speaking, when you talk about chemical or mechanical energy storage -- with electron bonds, in other words -- the upper limit is about 4 eV per atom of material. Store more than that and the molecules fall apart. You get plasma, I suppose. Cold fusion devices have produced hundreds to thousands of eV per atom, and the upper limit is unknown. Anyway, Morrison was talking about the power level, which is irrelevant. No one has ever claimed the cold fusion is nuclear based on the power level. The power from a sample of impure radium is very low, but the sample remains hot for thousands of years, so the energy release is immense. I expect that if you could arrange to keep a gas loaded cold fusion device gas tight for hundreds of years, it would release heat the whole time, so the overall energy release would be immense. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Wigner effect?
Andy, Check out the picture on the link below http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino If it happens in the atmosphere we call it a warm sunny day. If it happens in a void with hydrogen in the dark we gaze in amazement and ask for money. Go figure. Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Tuesday, November 27, 2012, Andy Findlay wrote: I wasn't aware that hydrogen was capable of beta decay. Andy. On 27/11/12 23:03, ChemE Stewart wrote: If billions of neutrinos are flowing through all matter all of the time, if you pack enough hydrogen in a concentrated area you are bound to get a head on collision now or then leading to beta decay. Probably also leads to hydrogen embrittlement over time and maybe the gravitational acceleration we all experience when we stand on our dark matter nucleus planets... We humans are just the beta decay frosting on the cake. http://theta13.lbl.gov/neutrinos_universe/neutrinos_01.html Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Tuesday, November 27, 2012, Andy Findlay wrote: Does anybody know of a sensible counter-argument (or maybe even a peer reviewed refutation) to the idea that the anomalous heat of cold-fusion/LENR might just be due to a Wigner-(like)-Effect? I had never heard of the Wigner Effecthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner_effectuntil a couple of days ago when I was reading about the Windscale fire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire (sorry about the use of Wikipedia links). It got me thinking about whether the documented swelling of palladium during loading could lead to a similar Wigner (like) Effect deformation of the palladium lattice which could then release stored energy abruptly - as happened in the graphite moderators in the Windscale fire. Following up on this, I found Douglas R.O. Morrison's Cold Fusion Newshttp://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/DROM/14.shtmlarticle on NETwhich includes the following paragraph: Prof. Bockris of Texas AM give a talk entitled Seven Chemical Explanations of the Fleischmann-Pons effect where he estimated the heat excess produced but always got values much less than the early claims of F-P and of Huggins of the order of 10 Watts - the highest he calculated was 0.9 W for the Pauling suggestion of PdH2 formation. He was asked about the Wigner effect, but had not considered it* [ comment - this is a favourite explanation of many people. It was responsible for a large release of radioactivity in about 1957 at Windscale - the neutrons absorbed by the graphite had stored a lot of energy in the graphite by changing its structure and the subsequent release of this energy caused the trouble. It had previously been predicted by Wigner. Similarly the absorption of hydrogen or of deuterium by palladium causes the palladium to swell and this stores a lot of energy in the cathode. When the loading stops (e.g. the current is switched off or the level of the electrolyte falls and exposes part of the cathode), then this Wigner energy can be released]. *Obviously I missed out on part of the cold fusion story. So, counter-arguments? Andy.
[Vo]:The near-term colonisation of Venus
Elon Musk has recently brought an idea of multi-planetary civilisation as a serious near-term issue. His goal is to establish Mars colony by 2023 and later retire and die in Mars. He has also envisioned the idea of larger scale Mars-colony. Last week he talked about 80 000 Martian citizens as realistic near-term goal if reusable launch vehicle succeeds. Now he has upgraded his vision into millions! However, I think that there is not much prospects for large scale civilisation in Mars, because environment is just too hostile and energy production is a real issue, because winter in Mars is very long and dim sun could be blocked by dust storms that may rage for months. Therefore there is no life in Mars without nuclear energy and nuclear energy in large scale is just impossible with current technology. Installation costs of nuclear power in Mars are probably some few millions per kW and advanced LFTR concepts may reduce the cost just by one order of magnitude. There is also minor ethical issues to launch fully loaded nukes from Earth. However, there is no need to discard dreams of multi-planetary civilisation, because we have better place for large scale colony than Mars. That is Earth's sister planet Venus. Venus has mostly ignored in Scifi, after it was discovered that the surface is utterly inhospitable. However, this wrong, because the conditions at upper atmosphere of Venus are perfect for large scale floating human colony. These conditions at 50 km altitude are very Earth like, unlike the hostile conditions in Mars. Of course for short term goal, small Mars base is essential. Also we might need a semilarge Mars base to supply large scale Venus colony. Fully reusable rocket should be rather easy to maintain in Mars, because gravity well is significantly weaker. Therefore it is just cheaper to export essential goods from Mars to Venus than from Earth. Venus has not much to offer, other than the second home for earthlings. Even science is rather dull basic research. Mars has at least prospects for (ancient) life and interesting geology. However for the purposes of colony, the most important resources in Venus are very abundant. Most importantly there is a huge flux for solar energy. More than double that of what there is in Sahara. And it is also useful solar energy, because light is indirect and scattered from clouds and outside temperatures are cool enough (ca. 0-20ºC). Indirect light and cool temperatures are essential for PV-cells, because their power output and durability is depended on the temperature of cell. Therefore the cost of energy in Venus is essentially zero and thus Venus might be cheaper place to live than Earth! For other essential resources, Venus has lots of oxygen and nitrogen for breathable air. It is also possible to boost lifting abilities with helium that is also relatively abundant in Venus. However Ni-O is by itself very strong lifting gas, so it is no problem to create floating cities. Most of the corrosive sulphuric acid haze is between 20 km and 40 km. It can be harvested and used as a hydrogen source. This means water and it is a basis for organic and inorganic chemistry. Infrastructure in Venus is mostly carbon, aluminium and silicon based. Other metals must be imported from NEA-asteroids and from Mars, because their concentrations are too low in Venus crust for practical mining purposes that are not too pleasant. However, carbon fibres are very versatile materials, therefore abundant basic materials: carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, silicon, aluminium and magnesium are more than sufficient for colonisation purposes. When the space infrastructure is established, it is not too expensive to utilise asteroids as source for rare metals. We must just replace steel as a basis of civilisation with carbon, aluminium and silicates. This is possible, because the cost of energy is practically free in Venus. —Jouni Reference: Colonization of Venus By Geoffrey A. Landis (2003) http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20030022668_2003025525.pdf
Re: [Vo]:Wigner effect?
Do you suppose all of those climate models take into account the energy released to Earth through natural Beta decay and LENR reactions from billions of tons of neutrinos and other dark matter stuff? NOT. It also does not take into account what happens when a large dark matter nucleus from a WIMP(hurricane) or comet nuclei sucks the energy from our world back to a dark/vacuum energy state. CO2 is just fluff. Civilizations in the past have thrived as the Earth has warmed, it is not until the impact event of multiple comet nuclei or major solar storms that we are thrown back into an ice age. In this day in age, even If we are smart enough to survive the ice age event, which is doubtful, our fission reactor meltdowns will most likely insure we are fried. Best we spread our DNA off this rock ASAP and pay close attention to those crop circles letting us know when the dark stuff is going to hit us in the head. Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, Check out the picture on the link below http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino If it happens in the atmosphere we call it a warm sunny day. If it happens in a void with hydrogen in the dark we gaze in amazement and ask for money. Go figure. Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Tuesday, November 27, 2012, Andy Findlay wrote: I wasn't aware that hydrogen was capable of beta decay. Andy. On 27/11/12 23:03, ChemE Stewart wrote: If billions of neutrinos are flowing through all matter all of the time, if you pack enough hydrogen in a concentrated area you are bound to get a head on collision now or then leading to beta decay. Probably also leads to hydrogen embrittlement over time and maybe the gravitational acceleration we all experience when we stand on our dark matter nucleus planets... We humans are just the beta decay frosting on the cake. http://theta13.lbl.gov/neutrinos_universe/neutrinos_01.html Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Tuesday, November 27, 2012, Andy Findlay wrote: Does anybody know of a sensible counter-argument (or maybe even a peer reviewed refutation) to the idea that the anomalous heat of cold-fusion/LENR might just be due to a Wigner-(like)-Effect? I had never heard of the Wigner Effecthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner_effectuntil a couple of days ago when I was reading about the Windscale fire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire (sorry about the use of Wikipedia links). It got me thinking about whether the documented swelling of palladium during loading could lead to a similar Wigner (like) Effect deformation of the palladium lattice which could then release stored energy abruptly - as happened in the graphite moderators in the Windscale fire. Following up on this, I found Douglas R.O. Morrison's Cold Fusion Newshttp://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/DROM/14.shtmlarticle on NETwhich includes the following paragraph: Prof. Bockris of Texas AM give a talk entitled Seven Chemical Explanations of the Fleischmann-Pons effect where he estimated the heat excess produced but always got values much less than the early claims of F-P and of Huggins of the order of 10 Watts - the highest he calculated was 0.9 W for the Pauling suggestion of PdH2 formation. He was asked about the Wigner effect, but had not considered it* [ comment - this is a favourite explanation of many people. It was responsible for a large release of radioactivity in about 1957 at Windscale - the neutrons absorbed by the graphite had stored a lot of energy in the graphite by changing its structure and the subsequent release of this energy caused the trouble. It had previously been predicted by Wigner. Similarly the absorption of hydrogen or of deuterium by palladium causes the palladium to swell and this stores a lot of energy in the cathode. When the loading stops (e.g. the current is switched off or the level of the electrolyte falls and exposes part of the cathode), then this Wigner energy can be released]. *Obviously I missed out on part of the cold fusion story. So, counter-arguments? Andy.
Re: [Vo]:The value of pulsing in bursts
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: So far, I have seen excess heating in 10/13 experimental runs, compared with 0/4 in control runs using galvanized steel cathode. How far above background? Eric
Re: [Vo]:The value of pulsing in bursts
It has varied from 7 to 25%. From looking at the control runs, it is up to 50% greater than would be expected (but I prefer the conservative estimate). Now with 13/16 runs. Also, I need to correct what I wrote previously. I should have written 0/8 control runs instead of 0/4. I am getting a variac and some halogen light transformers (40khz), so that should be interesting. I need to run more control runs after I get the new equipment too. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: So far, I have seen excess heating in 10/13 experimental runs, compared with 0/4 in control runs using galvanized steel cathode. How far above background? Eric
Re: [Vo]:Wigner effect?
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Andy Findlay andy_find...@orange.netwrote: I wasn't aware that hydrogen was capable of beta decay. Beta minus decay is possible under extreme conditions. But you would need to temporarily place the hydrogen you wanted to decay on a core-collapsing star. Eric
[Vo]:Curiosity's historic discovery
Or not. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2412567,00.asp Jeff
[Vo]:Apparently plausible (!?!?) FTL
http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive Has anyone competent to understand the arguments read the 1994 paper? Jeff
Re: [Vo]:Apparently plausible (!?!?) FTL
Here are some relevant physics.SE questions: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/38121/harold-whites-work-on-the-alcubierre-warp-drive http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/8850/alcubierre-drive-clarification-on-relativistic-effects The Alcubierre warp drive then has a serious departure between local laws of physics and global ones, which is not apparent in the universe or de Sitter spacetime. The Alcubierre warp drive is then important as a gadget, along with wormholes as related things, to understand how nature prevents closed timelike curves and related processes. (Six votes.) This quote reminds me of the transport ships in Dune with the navigators that David Lynch renders like whales: Relativistic effects happen when you travel near light speed through space-time. With the Alcubierre drive, you don't travel through space-time, but remain stationary and the space-time around you is warped in a way that brings you closer to your destination. So if it only took a week for you, it would only take a week for your observers. (Two votes.) Eric On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive Has anyone competent to understand the arguments read the 1994 paper? Jeff
Re: [Vo]:Apparently plausible (!?!?) FTL
It would be fantastic if warp drives were possible, but they must not be available because we are not currently being over run by alien visitors. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:48 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Apparently plausible (!?!?) FTL Here are some relevant physics.SE questions: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/38121/harold-whites-work-on-the-alcubierre-warp-drive http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/8850/alcubierre-drive-clarification-on-relativistic-effects The Alcubierre warp drive then has a serious departure between local laws of physics and global ones, which is not apparent in the universe or de Sitter spacetime. The Alcubierre warp drive is then important as a gadget, along with wormholes as related things, to understand how nature prevents closed timelike curves and related processes. (Six votes.) This quote reminds me of the transport ships in Dune with the navigators that David Lynch renders like whales: Relativistic effects happen when you travel near light speed through space-time. With the Alcubierre drive, you don't travel through space-time, but remain stationary and the space-time around you is warped in a way that brings you closer to your destination. So if it only took a week for you, it would only take a week for your observers. (Two votes.) Eric On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive Has anyone competent to understand the arguments read the 1994 paper? Jeff
