[Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

2016-05-15 Thread Bob Cook
Craig and Alain-- Mutagenic changes in gene cells are not always corrected in the egg cells of females nor in the sperm cell of males. However damaged egg cells are more likely because they stay vital for many years, sometimes a much as 60 years in humans. If an egg cell incurs a mutagenic

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: > I have experience of ~90 glass melting furnaces ranging from 4 - 450 T/day. > The electrically heated ones were quite cool because the superstructure is > not hot. The gas fired ones use ~4 million BTU per ton so a 250 t/day > melter would use the

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread a.ashfield
Jed, I have experience of ~90 glass melting furnaces ranging from 4 - 450 T/day.The electrically heated ones were quite cool because the superstructure is not hot.The gas fired ones use ~4 million BTU per ton so a 250 t/day melter would use the equivalent of 12208 KW.The glass is heated to

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Robert Dorr
Jed, They may have been 20KW. I found a link that indicates that he did indeed switch from the smaller e-cats to the 250KW units. The URL is "http://hydrofusion.com/news/e-cat-third-quarter-developments-2015; The main quote is: "Built-in Redundancy In the first week of August, 2015,

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Stephen Cooke
Hi Jed, I understood that he did indeed have 4 250 kW units in the container which he used for the test. The older 50 or so smaller units were also in the container as back up units but were never used in 1 year test, only the 250 W units were used apparently. There are pictures I think on

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Dorr wrote: > Didn't Rossi switch from the small square 10kw boxes you refer to, to 4 > 250kw units. I think there are 50 boxes in the latest unit, so that's 20 kW per box = 1,000 kW. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Robert Dorr
Jed, Didn't Rossi switch from the small square 10kw boxes you refer to, to 4 250kw units. Robert Dorr WA7ZQR At 01:17 PM 5/15/2016, you wrote: Okay, here are the specs for these boilers:

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Okay, here are the specs for these boilers: file:///home/chronos/u-1160197d37ec1500e70f021620dd3bae3f09f41c/Downloads/DR_Electric%20Steam%20Boiler_Nov10.pdf The models S242 and CR242 are both 420 kW. The dimensions for both are listed in inches: 43" L x 58" W x 78" H That's 1 m x 1.5 m x 2 m

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Stephen Cooke
Thanks Eric. From the specs I got the impression it was about 1 sq m (30x30x60 inches) but perhaps it was a component as it looks bigger in your picture. Still should fit in a container though. More interesting to me was the data about efficiency. I wish there was an HVAC engineer who has

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Stephen Cooke wrote: http://www.cleaverbrooks.com/Products-and-Solutions/Boilers/Electric/Model-IWH/Index.aspx > > Would this not be equivalent to a 250 kW ecat unit? > The max is 350 kW. Here is an image with a person to show the

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Stephen Cooke
Hello Jed, I'm clearly no expert and do not claim to be but there are interesting examples of electrical boilers on the Internet. Here is an interesting link to a electrical water heater that seems comparable to an e-cat unit.

[Vo]:Sunday isssue LENR dissidents, peaceful

2016-05-15 Thread Peter Gluck
If you read everything you will see why is it a Sunday issue http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/05/may-15-2016-sunday-issue-about-lenr.html peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Dorr wrote: > I just don't see why it is so difficult determining the COP of such a > large system. As far as I can see you have to make a few measurements to > get a very good idea of a thermal plants performance. . . . > It is not difficult when you stick to the

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: It seems to me that calorimetry is a weak subject to base a defence on. > Nether the judge or any of the jury will have even heard the word let alone > understand why the ERV messed it up. The layers for the defence will need a > expert witness to educate the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi device AFUE is probably low

2016-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: you do not get the significance of the electricity bills for the > Rossi-IH trial? > I have not seen any electricity bills, and I know nothing about them. You have not seen them but they exist. > Have you seen them? What do they show? What are you

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Robert Dorr
I just don't see why it is so difficult determining the COP of such a large system. As far as I can see you have to make a few measurements to get a very good idea of a thermal plants performance. 1) temperature of water going in, 2) temperature or water going out, 3) water flow rate, 4)

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Dorr wrote: > Since you are in communication with someone that is linked to I.H. maybe > you can answer a few questions. > Sorry, I cannot address these questions. I hope that I.H. will be able to address them. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Stephen Cooke
Hi Jed Thanks again for your patience with my questions. I know they were a bit basic but I wanted to clarify exactly the understanding. Most the thermal issues especially the waste heat are honestly over my head so I will leave that to experts. If there is less than 20kW thermal output I

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Bob Cook
Axil-- Don’t be so mean! Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:00 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat But there is a contradiction here since IH accepted that the Rossi reactor does produce gainful heat to the tune of $11,500,000.

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Bob Cook
Eric-- Thanks for that correction. I was reading the original agreement. I assume the difference between 4 and 6 was only a matter of fine tuning for Rossi. The agreement indicated the requirement to identify the control procedures to operate the E-Cat. What those procedures specify will

Re: [Vo]:Rossi device AFUE is probably low

2016-05-15 Thread Peter Gluck
you do not get the significance of the electricity bills for the Rossi-IH trial? You have not seen them but they exist. By the way I have read three discussion threads and 40 comments but could not ffind your explanation about why the IH technicians are convinced that there was absolutely NO

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Bob Cook
Axil-- See the Civil complaint that Rossi filed in the Federal Court: Case 1:16-cv-21199-CMA Document 1, Entered on FLSD Document 04/05/2016 Page 1. I specifies: “CIVIL COMPLAINT & DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL” Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 2:50 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:Rossi device AFUE is probably low

2016-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: But it cannot waste the heat that is not produced.- as you believe; or not? > Perhaps you misunderstand the term "waste" in this context. The term "waste heat" means heat that is not transferred to the fluid in a boiler. It means heat that radiates

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen Cooke wrote: This is probably a naive question on my part, so I apologize for that. But > in the interest of clarity I wonder if the definition of "excess heat" and > "heat balance" is the same for all parties. I strongly expect it is of > course. > As far as

Re: [Vo]:Rossi device AFUE is probably low

2016-05-15 Thread Peter Gluck
But it cannot waste the heat that is not produced.- as you believe; or not? If the efficiency was indeed so low, who has paid the huge electricity bill? It could be as high as 85 million kWh- how much does this cost in Florida? peter On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Jed Rothwell

[Vo]:Rossi device AFUE is probably low

2016-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
I mentioned that an HVAC engineer estimated that the Rossi device heat transfer efficiency is probably low. This is called the AFUE (annual fuel utilization efficiency). Typical AFUE are: 56 to 70% for old furnaces 80 to 83% for mid-range efficiency 90 to 99% for advanced, high efficiency heaters

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Stephen Cooke
Hi Jed, This is probably a naive question on my part, so I apologize for that. But in the interest of clarity I wonder if the definition of "excess heat" and "heat balance" is the same for all parties. I strongly expect it is of course. It seems from what you said that the technicians

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Robert Dorr
Jed, Since you are in communication with someone that is linked to I.H. maybe you can answer a few questions. 1) Is I.H.'s finding that the 1 MW e-cat plant produced no heat (COP <1) based on the very same data set that Rossi used to determine that the COP was greater than 50? Is the COP

Re: [Vo]:LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

2016-05-15 Thread Axil Axil
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > Rossi claims?!? Rossi has claimed he had a production line set up when > there was no such thing. He claims he spent hours inside a 1 MW reactor in > a shipping container, when that would kill him in 10 minutes.