Long time lurker. Hope I'm using this correctly. Looked at the video of the
Papp Engine and just thought I might add that I am always a little ill at ease
when I don't see an energy balance on a system that people are claiming to
produce net energy out. I saw Rossi's rough data from last year
Talk about hyperkinetic hyperbolie!! Rossi is a world class criminal! I suppose
all those who have ever associated with him even in witnessing his tests
(criminal activities) should be put on trial with him. I must admit to drifting
in the direction of the increasingly less convinced mass. I
I am sure PF had hopes of seeing clear signs of fusion by packing as much
hydrogen into a sample of palladium as possible but after their initial success
it became apparent to them that the process was dicy, as in a collection of
samples, some worked and some did not. It should have been
Are you saying that you will be purchasing one of those units? I hope you do
and report on it soon. The price seems very low, and given the possible return
extremely low but still I hesitate to believe in such a thing and need your
testimony. Hope you are not as short on money as I am. I can't
I am having difficulty enough believing in the E-Cat and now along comes the
resurrection of the Papp engine with little heat out and vast amounts of energy
out as usable work. I think I will lose my mind soon if things don't coallese
soon in the form of an energy balance on the Papp system. A
I am attempting to listen to John Rohner explain how his engine work sand
find it to be painfully difficult. If his resume is real he has a certain
brilliance but it is obvious from this video that that brilliance does not
spill over into the skill of expressing oneself verbally.
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I forgot to add a link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5CNpW3r1Tc
WARNING!!! it is painful to watch.
- Original Message -
From: Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What is with Papp?
I
From the link below I gleened this treasure from Allen Sterling: ...But let
me proffer the following reality check.
Most people in today's top political establishment are puppets for a shadow
government whose purpose is to subjugate the world into a Marxists
dictatorship, making us all
First, it the ends are closed with just putty then the system is operating at
atmospheric pressure but that suggests that hydrogen gas can leak out and
oxygen can leak in. I suppose such an arrangement could be used to allow the
quick assembly and disassembly of units for testing but such an
Here is a well written OPED piece:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Cold-Fusion-is-Real-by-Josh-Mitteldorf-120704-254.html
Until I see an energy balance on the engine or they run this in a closed loop,
generating the power for the spark and such, and produce a significant amount
of work out over a significant amount of time they have nothing. Don't buy a
thing until you have proof that it works.
- Original
I am happy to hear of developments of the E-Cat and await with bated breath the
presentation of a working product or third party proof. On the other hand if
the E-Cat arrives, my beautiful play Waiting for E-Cat, will be moot. So here
for you enjoyment of my magificant creation is a link to the
There is a path to clean nuclear called aneutronic fusion:
http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/2012/06/alternate-path-to-cleaner-brighter.html
Thanks for interperting this for me. I can follow only a small part of that
presentation. How I wish I had a wordy interpretation for each slide.
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject:
I have suggested that palladium is a red herring. If the phenomena is a surface
effect then the outer surface of the palladium or material X will have the
greatest number of defects or surface-effect areas and it has been found that
roughening the surface will increase the effect. So too, I
Nicely done. The most likely conclusion to the Papp Engine story is that there
is nothing there. Papp retired after tinkering with toys and then luring in
investors and the Rohner bro's took up the thread. Nothing will ever come of
the Papp engine other than unrequited expectations. It has been
I'm surprised you can wonder at all. While you come across as someone with a
decent education you seem to be totally without any creative mind or
imagination. At if truth be told you sound a tad whiney. You expect to find the
truth by reading these blogs or posting editorials that demand others
In what proportions are these transmutations occuring. If they are
one-hundredthousandth of the amount of fusion of deurium and so contribute
little in the way of net heat out they are just a side reaction but an
important one as they provide testament of a nuclear reaction. The
transmutation
As I found for some unknown reason I was unable to respond directly to the
member Peter here is my response to him in a new thread:
I too admire Andrea Rossi and all people like him who seem capable of rising
again and again from adversity. Even after having been through the wringer of
It's good to think that if I decide to blow my brains out there will be an ad
for a cheap gun and ammo.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
Akira Shirakawa
Some time back I fought the battle of the E-Cat article on Wikipedia but found
it too frustrating and in the end even enfuriating as there are some very
tennatious editiors that really, really don't like cold fusion articles in any
way shape or form. Their obnoxious behavior have driven off the
@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion
From: Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.com
Please consider going to the article, read it and vote on its
truswothiness, objectivity, etc. at the bottom of the page.
The talk page
- Original Message -
From: MJ feli...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion
On 09-Sep-12 15:36, Alan Fletcher wrote:
From: Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.com
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:31:22 AM
So, here is my vote on the matter:
Keep no merge This article has been taken over by a very small cadre of people
opposed to even the mention of the Energy Catalyzer, Cold Fusion, LENR, LANR,
etc. It is a stain on the reputation of WP that a small number of very abusive
people can drive off
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