Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
RE: [Vo]:Final response to Jojo Jaro2012/08/19 From Abd, Contrary to his [Jojo's] earlier statements, Jojo apparently does want to have the last word. So this is my last communication in response to him. I'm adding his email address to a deletion file. What took you so long? Regards, Steven -- OrionWorks - Steven Vincent JohnsonI agree! Will add to deletion file also.
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Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy Jojo Jaro Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:48:28 -0700 Alan, the link is interesting and if you are suggesting that I should take this Obama Ineligibility discussion there, I am not the one you should be concerned about. Jed started this mess with a insult to Birthers. My responses on this stops the minute no one else throws another insult or ridicule. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy At 07:39 PM 8/6/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Jed, Obama was indeed NOT born in Hawaii. If he was, why the fake Birth Certificate? Why hide his Birth Certificate for so long? Once again, I find myself having to correct your misinformation. You like taking pot shots and insult those you disagree with, using these one liners. Jojo http://thefogbow.com/forum/index.php
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:14:17 -0400 hyuk...@asia.com wrote: Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy Jojo Jaro Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:48:28 -0700 Alan, the link is interesting and if you are suggesting that I should take this Obama Ineligibility discussion there, I am not the one you should be concerned about. Jed started this mess with a insult to Birthers. My responses on this stops the minute no one else throws another insult or ridicule. Good for you. Some of these people need to have their smugness-level lowered.
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JoJo is a sharp guy. He might benefit from a Dale Carnegie course... On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:14:17 -0400 hyuk...@asia.com wrote: Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy Jojo Jaro Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:48:28 -0700 Alan, the link is interesting and if you are suggesting that I should take this Obama Ineligibility discussion there, I am not the one you should be concerned about. Jed started this mess with a insult to Birthers. My responses on this stops the minute no one else throws another insult or ridicule. Good for you. Some of these people need to have their smugness-level lowered.
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It's Ad Nauseam. genius!!! If you're going to imitate my use of certain terms, do it correctly Learn to spell. Don't they teach that in commie university back there in the mainland?. Jojo - Original Message - From: hyuk...@asia.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo
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I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
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I am an engineer, spelling is less important On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: It's Ad Nauseam. genius!!! If you're going to imitate my use of certain terms, do it correctly Learn to spell. Don't they teach that in commie university back there in the mainland?. Jojo - Original Message - From: hyuk...@asia.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo
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Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Did anyone just realize that crowdfunding provided 110 000 dollars for almost single person company that is aiming to build a *space elevator*that is in operation by 2020? And if such idea is so feasible, cold fusion research could benefit quite significantly. I would guess that we could raise from Vortex mailing list alone annually some few hundred kilodollars. –Jouni On 20 September 2012 19:29, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
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Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Just add them to your kill file. There were some people at ICCF17 trying to fund an experiment. See: http://www.quantumheat.org/ So far they have raised $40. Not an impressive sum. They told me recently they are expecting a lot more money Any Day Now. We'll see. - Jed
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Hi Journi, I agree Crowd Funding is intriguing and would work if you just had a few bright people on your team that could demonstrate that they are able to produce results. Unfortunately, we have a lot of brainy people, but not enough people with a laboratory or workshop. I too say look to Russ for an example of open source building of the Papp engine build: http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/the-papp-noble-gas-engine/ He has a number of things going for him: Honesty, personable, good mechanical skills... and he gets things accomplished. He could kickstart the Papp project or a LENR one. Another possible source is: Take a look also at: http://opensourcenuclearfuel.blogspot.com/ But I do think any LENR builder with a little bit of excess heat needs to come forward and help open source and/or KickStart their project, which is one reason I wanted to reach out to Chan. - Brad On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote: Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Did anyone just realize that crowdfunding provided 110 000 dollars for almost single person company that is aiming to build a *space elevator*that is in operation by 2020? And if such idea is so feasible, cold fusion research could benefit quite significantly. I would guess that we could raise from Vortex mailing list alone annually some few hundred kilodollars. –Jouni On 20 September 2012 19:29, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
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I apologize Jouni, my comments were never intended to be a troll attack. I will now desist. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jouni Valkonen To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Did anyone just realize that crowdfunding provided 110 000 dollars for almost single person company that is aiming to build a space elevator that is in operation by 2020? And if such idea is so feasible, cold fusion research could benefit quite significantly. I would guess that we could raise from Vortex mailing list alone annually some few hundred kilodollars. –Jouni On 20 September 2012 19:29, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
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Hi Journi, I think you are a cool dude, I was commenting on JoJo's rather direct approach, its all good. May you sidestep all dark matter. Stewart On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** I apologize Jouni, my comments were never intended to be a troll attack. I will now desist. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2012 3:13 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Did anyone just realize that crowdfunding provided 110 000 dollars for almost single person company that is aiming to build a *space elevator*that is in operation by 2020? And if such idea is so feasible, cold fusion research could benefit quite significantly. I would guess that we could raise from Vortex mailing list alone annually some few hundred kilodollars. –Jouni On 20 September 2012 19:29, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
[Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
It is hard to get money for cold fusion research. How about financing science using e.g. kickstarter crowdfunding schemes? I just donated $11 for space elevator project that is planed to be build at full scale so that it is operational around 2020. Capacity for payload would be around two tons per climber at the first phase. Before that, I donated for 54 meters high vertical farm project at Linköping. As space elevator gathered $110k in just two weeks with almost zero advertisement budged, I would estimate that credible cold fusion research project could gather annually several million dollars using crowdfunding. –Jouni *Space Elevator Science - Climb to the Sky - A Tethered Tower* http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/michaellaine/space-elevator-science-climb-to-the-sky-a-tethered
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Dreadful choice, Jouni.Best choice in Universe is here;http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/the-papp-noble-gas-engine/Just sent this winner $100 two weeks ago,. You just exposed your ignorance but possibly your brain is flawed. Stay away from hallucinogens.MeowJouni Valkonen Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:32:41 -0700 It is hard to get money for cold fusion research.How about financing science using e.g. kickstarter crowdfunding schemes? Ijust donated $11 for space elevator project that is planed to be build atfull scale so that it is operational around 2020. Capacity for payloadwould be around two tons per climber at the first phase. Before that, Idonated for 54 meters high vertical farm project at Linköping.As space elevator gathered $110k in just two weeks with almost zeroadvertisement budged, I would estimate that credible cold fusion researchproject could gather annually several million dollars using crowdfunding.–Jouni
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In reply to c...@inbox.lv's message of Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:04:33 +0300: Dear cat in box, Are you dead or alive? Enquiring minds desperately want this question answered. ;^) [snip] Dreadful choice, Jouni. Best choice in Universe is here; http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/the-papp-noble-gas-engine/ Just sent this winner $100 two weeks ago,. You just exposed your ignorance but possibly your brain is flawed. Stay away from hallucinogens. Meow Jouni Valkonen Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:32:41 -0700 It is hard to get money for cold fusion research. How about financing science using e.g. kickstarter crowdfunding schemes? I just donated $11 for space elevator project that is planed to be build at full scale so that it is operational around 2020. Capacity for payload would be around two tons per climber at the first phase. Before that, I donated for 54 meters high vertical farm project at Linköping. As space elevator gathered $110k in just two weeks with almost zero advertisement budged, I would estimate that credible cold fusion research project could gather annually several million dollars using crowdfunding. Jouni Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Robin, This is one of Chan's alter ego sign in names. The persons that go by the name Reliable, Chan, Phen, Ny min, Mint Candy, cy cle and other chinese names are one and the same person. How do I know this, simply that everytime I post a criticism of Chan's method, or the Flat Plate Heat Exchanger Spark Plug method or anyone of those fake LENR aparatus, I get a barrage of private emails from this guy using various email addresses. I respond and reveal something to one and all of a sudden, every chinese sign in name knows about it. These idiots are one and the same person who want to delay and confuse LENR research with their disinformation. Everytime I post something about my nanotube research and my theory, I get some private email trying to point me to a link to Chan's site or to some other useless link. The purpose seems to be to waste my time. Don't even bother to open links they post, they're useless junk intended to divert your attention and focus and waste your time.. There's enough proof in the Vortex archives to prove what I am saying. All you have to do is do a little digging and correlate certain facts they mention, and you will discover they know certain things they should not know unless they were the same person. Best to ignore these morons. Chinese people seem to have no qualms about lying, so keep that in mind. Jojo - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion In reply to c...@inbox.lv's message of Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:04:33 +0300: Dear cat in box, Are you dead or alive? Enquiring minds desperately want this question answered. ;^) [snip] Dreadful choice, Jouni. Best choice in Universe is here; http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/the-papp-noble-gas-engine/ Just sent this winner $100 two weeks ago,. You just exposed your ignorance but possibly your brain is flawed. Stay away from hallucinogens. Meow Jouni Valkonen Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:32:41 -0700 It is hard to get money for cold fusion research. How about financing science using e.g. kickstarter crowdfunding schemes? I just donated $11 for space elevator project that is planed to be build at full scale so that it is operational around 2020. Capacity for payload would be around two tons per climber at the first phase. Before that, I donated for 54 meters high vertical farm project at Linköping. As space elevator gathered $110k in just two weeks with almost zero advertisement budged, I would estimate that credible cold fusion research project could gather annually several million dollars using crowdfunding. -Jouni Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
