Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-08 Thread mixent
In reply to Aussie Guy E-Cat's message of Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:23:48 +1030: Hi, [snip] I grew up supporting the grid and will fight to see it retained. However LENR brings new business opportunities. With 45 kW of heat from a Hyperion unit, it is possible to build a relative low cost and simple

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-08 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
For sure. Each CHP unit will have a BIG switch with 3 positions: CHP OFF GRID On 12/9/2011 12:51 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Aussie Guy E-Cat's message of Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:23:48 +1030: Hi, [snip] I grew up supporting the grid and will fight to see it retained. However

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-07 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
You have good arguments. anyway, using the grid, or local grid, to average the production capacity, might be interesting. because most of the cost of e-cat/hyperion is not in fuel, or even refueling, but in building the plant. so reducing the total capacity, will reduce the cost. anyway the grid

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Aussie FITs require the grid to be fed via a grid connect inverter and the inverter fed by a Renewable energy source. I doubt LENR would qualify. A few years after the introduction of cold fusion, no one will be talking about renewable energy anymore. All the laws

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-07 Thread Alain Sepeda
I support your vision , extending it according to my It experience. PC were really a great progress for IT in enterprises, but also a hell, because it was hard to collaborate. reliability, backup, sharing was very complicated and expensive. networking start to exist, then be reliable, then easy

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I grew up using slide rules, and programming mainframe computers and minicomputers, but I felt no loyalty toward that technology. I have a bamboo Post Versalog leather cased slide rule in my office. Our intern engineers

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Despite rapid improvements wind and solar are still cheaper than fossil fuel, so they will go bankrupt before fossil fuel does. I mean they are still nominally *more expensive* than fossil fuel, because we do not take into account the cost of pollution or global warming. Terry

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
On 12/6/2011 6:02 PM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote: from your experience, what are the relative merit/domain of - piston/rotative steam engine (like the one people talk here) Simple, low cost, easy to repair / maintain and can work with the steam pressure generated by the primary circuit of the

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Robert Lynn
As someone who has worked on, and has a number of patents on Z-Crank type engines I would not recommend buying one of these green steam engines. The design/construction appears to emphasise appearance over function and doesn't look like it will operate reliably for more than 10-100 hours. In

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
We have asked them for their FEA stress analysis data and for how long they have had an engine running continuously at max load. This company appears to have licensed the 6 cylinder / 25 HP engine, and have a few interesting videos: www.steamenginepower.com

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Colin Hercus
, 2011 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end I've emailed Robert Green and asked for more data and if what I get looks good, I will buy one of the 2 cylinder 10 Hp unit to have a play. From what I can find this is my front runner steam engine to use as the torque

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
On 12/6/2011 10:22 PM, Colin Hercus wrote: Could you have a problem with the 30kWH of excess heat. It seems a bit much to get rid of for space heating and hot water especially in a suburban situation. The Hyperion unit has 9 cores and can dynamically stage them as required by the load. 30 kWs

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Aussie Guy E-Cat's message of Wed, 07 Dec 2011 09:20:00 +1030: Hi, [snip] Aussie FITs require the grid to be fed via a grid connect inverter and the inverter fed by a Renewable energy source. I doubt LENR would qualify. If you get a system working, then I think you should request

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
I agree that green energy policy (ang green everything) will be a big source of trouble for LENR generators. those regulation are not rational, nor efficient, by design (they are subsidies, and dogmatic). LENR, as it looks, is simply efficient. as I've already discuss with you, I know an old

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I grew up supporting the grid and will fight to see it retained. However LENR brings new business opportunities. With 45 kW of heat from a Hyperion unit, it is possible to build a relative low cost and simple CHP system to interface to the Hyperion unit. There is simply no commercial reason to

[Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-05 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
This piston based steam engine looks very doable and market ready for a home CHP plant: http://www.greensteamengine.com 1,500 rpm. 10 HP (~6.5 kW.e) at 125 psi steam or 4 HP at 50 psi steam. $1,995 for the commercial 2 cylinder unit without a generator. Ok needs a control system to hold Ac

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-05 Thread ecat builder
Hi Aussie, I posted that and a few other steam engines earlier that got a bunch of thoughtful replies. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg53254.html However, maybe a discussion of grid-tie in using existing solar/wind systems would be interesting. Some of the new tie-in

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-05 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I've emailed Robert Green and asked for more data and if what I get looks good, I will buy one of the 2 cylinder 10 Hp unit to have a play. From what I can find this is my front runner steam engine to use as the torque source for a domestic LENR CHP unit. With 24/7 LENR primary heat source and

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-05 Thread David Roberson
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end I've emailed Robert Green and asked for more data and if what I get ooks good, I will buy one of the 2 cylinder 10 Hp unit to have a play. From what I can find this is my front

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-05 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
comparable to the generator I found when production numbers and competition kicks in. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end I've

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-05 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
from your experience, what are the relative merit/domain of - piston/rotative steam engine (like the one people talk here) - steam/gaz turbine (with water or volatile fluids) - Stirling engine assuming the temperature proposed by Hyperion small and medium, working alone or in farm like e-cat