Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 29, 2011, at 8:18 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Horace, have you heard about the degenerate state in focus fusion device for pB11 fusion? This is a different use of the term degenerate state. The more specific term there is Fermi degeneracy as opposed to degenerate quantum states,

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
Anyway, your theory is somewhat similar to the stage III that of Takashi, when the nucleons of the TSC are captured by the nuclear force. TSC is really a deflated ground state, simply because electrons screen to the extreme the proton charge. But, the destiny of the electrons is not clear.

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yes, it does makes sense. But I would suggest you to study Takahashi's model. Your idea seems to work to explain what happens to the electrons in Phase III of his theory, that is, when the tetrahedron collapses. It is not clear to me what happens to the electrons. I pointed out Lerner's theory

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 30, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Yes, it does makes sense. But I would suggest you to study Takahashi's model. Your idea seems to work to explain what happens to the electrons in Phase III of his theory, that is, when the tetrahedron collapses. It is not clear to me what

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
Oh, nice! That's why he also congratulated you in that report. I didn't go to the talk or take part in the CMNS list, so I cannot know. I am happy that I got to similar conclusions as you did independently. Several people reaching the same conclusions, in similar ways, is a sign of things going

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 30, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Oh, nice! That's why he also congratulated you in that report. I didn't go to the talk or take part in the CMNS list, so I cannot know. I am happy that I got to similar conclusions as you did independently. Several people reaching the same

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
I didn't understand this part from the intermediate nucleus vicinity in small increments by a trapped electron. 2011/12/30 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net On Dec 30, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Oh, nice! That's why he also congratulated you in that report. I didn't go to the

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Charles HOPE
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: The deflated state electron, pre-fusion, is not below ground state energy. It is a degenerate form of the ground state, or whatever state the hydrogen nucleus and associated electron occupy in the lattice.

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Horace Heffner
What part do you not understand: a. the mechanism of trapping of the post fusion nuclear electron b. the low energy state of the post fusion nuclear electron c. the mechanism by which the trapped electron absorbs the fusion energy d. why the fusion energy is not sufficient to

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
Your theory is just too similar to what I imagine that should happen in Phase III that I get confused. You are correct in your stuff, but you don't use many equations, mostly your intuition. So, I get lost reading your papers. Right, to be clear. a-e. Just show me where I can find in your papers.

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Charles Hope
What is Takahashi analogue to the deflated electron? On Dec 30, 2011, at 13:21, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Your theory is just too similar to what I imagine that should happen in Phase III that I get confused. You are correct in your stuff, but you don't use many equations,

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
Phase II of his theory. The eigenvalue radius of the ground state dynamically shrinks due to the screening of protons and electrons. It just happen with a very specific tetrahedron configuration of protons/deuterons and electrons. 2011/12/30 Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com What is

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-30 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Charles HOPE wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: The deflated state electron, pre-fusion, is not below ground state energy. It is a degenerate form of the ground state, or whatever state the hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-29 Thread Charles HOPE
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Horace, Thanks for the comment. What is needed are some toy models with some simple simulations. I will check out your theory. Do you believe any new

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-29 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 29, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Charles HOPE wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Horace, Thanks for the comment. What is needed are some toy models with some simple simulations. I

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-29 Thread Charles Hope
On Dec 29, 2011, at 20:09, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Dec 29, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Charles HOPE wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Horace, Thanks

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-29 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 29, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Charles Hope wrote: On Dec 29, 2011, at 20:09, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Dec 29, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Charles HOPE wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM,

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
Horace, have you heard about the degenerate state in focus fusion device for pB11 fusion? 2011/12/30 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net On Dec 29, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Charles Hope wrote: On Dec 29, 2011, at 20:09, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Dec 29, 2011, at 3:08

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-27 Thread Horace Heffner
There is no need for down-conversion to explain the lack of high energy gammas associated with excess heat of LENR, provided those gammas are not produced in the first place. If an energetically trapped electron in the nucleus carries away the reaction heat away from the nucleus in the

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-27 Thread pagnucco
Horace, Thanks for the comment. What is needed are some toy models with some simple simulations. I will check out your theory. Do you believe any new physics is required - or does standard QM suffice? I am getting pretty boggled by the complexity of it all. LP There is no need for

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Horace, Thanks for the comment. What is needed are some toy models with some simple simulations. I will check out your theory. Do you believe any new physics is required - or does standard QM suffice? I am getting pretty boggled by

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Horace, Thanks for the comment. What is needed are some toy models with some simple simulations. I will check out your theory. Do you believe any new physics is required - or does standard QM suffice? I am getting pretty boggled by

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:05 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Horace, Thanks for the comment. What is needed are some toy models with some simple simulations. I will check out your theory. Do you believe any new physics is required - or does standard QM suffice? I am getting pretty boggled by

[Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread Axil Axil
Some insights from quantum mechanics… Spontaneous parametric down-conversion Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_parametric_down-conversion The rule that comes out of this quantum mechanical process is that energy is shared approximately equally between N entangled particles

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread David Roberson
? Is the process much more efficient for high energy photons? Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 3:47 am Subject: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC) Some insights from quantum mechanics… Spontaneous

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread Axil Axil
? Is the process much more efficient for high energy photons? Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 3:47 am Subject: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC) Some insights from quantum mechanics

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread francis
Perhaps the same entanglement is responsible for the fusion such that if a seemingly low probability fusion event occurs under these circumstances then the down conversion will also occur? Two different facets of the same environmental cause? Fran Axil Axil Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:33:20 -0800

RE: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
[mailto:froarty...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 11:26 AM To: janap...@gmail.com Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC) Perhaps the same entanglement is responsible for the fusion such that if a seemingly low probability fusion event occurs

Re: [Vo]:Spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC)

2011-12-26 Thread pagnucco
I think that the frequency of the outgoing down-converted photons will remain the same whether the incoming high frequency photon is absorbed by one atom or collectively by N-atoms. A coherent multi-atom absorption will create a Schroedinger-Cat-like state of one excited atom and (N-1) ground