Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Horace Heffner
If you had bothered to read he references provided you would know your statement is nonsense. There is another type of battery that does not appear in the table above, since it is limited in the relative amount of current it can deliver. However, it has even higher energy storage per

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:39 PM 12/26/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: As I read Dr Bushnell, he is saying 5 things: 1) Excess heat is real and has been replicated in 100s of labs around the world. Yes. It has. By a couple of years ago, there were 153 reports of excess heat in peer-reviewed journals, there is a

RE: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Abd: ... I'll comment on it: he [Bushnell] went on to say, but it isn't fusion. That's apparently because he's swallowed, lock, stock, and sinker, Widom-Larsen theory, and isolated, idiosyncratic attempt to explain LENR by coming up with even more preposterous hypotheses,

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 26, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Put it this way, if this isn't a nuclear reaction, it is some kind of super-battery, probably worth billions just for that. Unfortunately for this battery idea, ... helium. A Lithium Thionyl Chloride battery works out OK. See post

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Horace, lithium batteries will explode in a high temperatures of ecat, especially if batterypack is thermally isolated. Only chemically plausible idea is to hide a bucketful of thermite or some other oxygen containing mixture of chemical compounds and an apparatus for controlled or catalyzed

RE: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Jones Beene
... not to mention a few hints (re: supra-chemistry) coming direct from National Labs ... years before nano-thermite made an impact, so to speak. http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/437696-qcD7AM/webviewable/437696.pd f -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Put it this

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:39 PM 12/26/2011, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0500: Hi, [snip] Put it this way, if this isn't a nuclear reaction, it is some kind of super-battery, probably worth billions just for that. Unfortunately for this battery

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Peter
Am 27.12.2011 00:19, schrieb Aussie Guy E-Cat: What no comment on this: My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who has assured me that over 100 experiments worldwide indicate that LENR is real, capable of producing

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:43 AM 12/27/2011, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll comment on it: he went on to say, but it isn't fusion. That's apparently because he's swallowed, lock, stock, and sinker, Widom-Larsen theory, and isolated, idiosyncratic attempt to explain LENR by

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Mary Yugo
Do we really know Obdenaker actually wrote the email attributed to him? Has anyone checked with NASA's PR office or anyone else there? I think it was just from a post by an anonymous poster in a fan/enthusiast web site run by a guy only known as Ben.

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 27, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 01:43 AM 12/27/2011, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll comment on it: he went on to say, but it isn't fusion. That's apparently because he's swallowed, lock, stock, and sinker, Widom-Larsen theory,

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Alan Fletcher
Abd, If you reject W-L theory, what would you regard as the most reasonable explanation for all of the transmutations reported? Is there a particular paper that you could recommend. I'm too overwhelmed by the complexity of solid state reactions to take any side in the controversy.

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Do we really know Obdenaker actually wrote the email attributed to him? I expect he would complain if he did not write it. In the modern wired world, he would soon find out someone is circulating a forged memo attributed to him. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:01 PM 12/27/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Transmutations are not observed with any clean correlation with excess heat. Some experiments produce more, some less. Levels of transmuted products other than helium are produced at far

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:03:10 -0500: Hi, [snip] At 11:39 PM 12/26/2011, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0500: Hi, [snip] Put it this way, if this isn't a nuclear reaction, it is some kind

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 27, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 01:01 PM 12/27/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Transmutations are not observed with any clean correlation with excess heat. Some experiments produce more, some less. Levels of

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-27 Thread Horace Heffner
I forgot to mention Table 2 of: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MileyGHreviewoftr.pdf Note that the results are reported in percent of isotopic abundance. In terms of atoms this is *huge*. It is *huge* compared to helium results. If you find related reactions in my tables (all

[Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1717

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Better link: http://e-catsite.com/2011/12/26/more-helpful-e-mails-from-the-doe/ AG On 12/27/2011 9:19 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: http://ecatnews.com/?p=1717

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Better link: http://e-catsite.com/2011/12/26/more-helpful-e-mails-from-the-doe/ An email to Mr. X? Hah! Now we know who Rossi's anonymous buyer is. It's none other than Mr. X!!

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
What no comment on this: My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who has assured me that over 100 experiments worldwide indicate that LENR is real, capable of producing energy much greater that chemical reactions, with

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: What no comment on this: My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who has assured me that over 100 experiments worldwide indicate that LENR

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Why not call Mr. Opdenaker to confirm? His phone number and email are listed. I find it amazing how easily you put down Dr. Bushnell, casting aside his statement as if it has no value? MY if you were really after the truth, you could have seen a working FPE device by now. AG On 12/27/2011

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Why not call Mr. Opdenaker to confirm? His phone number and email are listed. I don't want to pester him by telephone but I am thinking of sending an email. I'd rather someone from the press do it -- perhaps

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
And here I thought I was the only person to get those. Damn I'm not so special alter all. Oh well time to play with my FPE cell. Did I tell you I have learned how to make it levitate and act like a room temperature superconducting ring magnet? Amazing technology. Now if I can just get the

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread David Roberson
to have more people that are willing to go the extra mile. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi? And here I thought I

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:19 PM 12/26/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: What no comment on this: My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley who has assured me that over 100 experiments worldwide indicate that LENR is real, capable of producing

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:27 PM 12/26/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.comaussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: What no comment on this: My change of mind was a direct result of talking with Dr. Dennis Bushnell, the Chief Scientist for NASA Langley

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
As I read Dr Bushnell, he is saying 5 things: 1) Excess heat is real and has been replicated in 100s of labs around the world. 2) The scale of the heat generated is beyond current chemistry. 3) What is being observed to occur is not Fusion (Hot or Cold) as it is currently understood. 4) WL

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:32:07 -0500: Hi, [snip] Put it this way, if this isn't a nuclear reaction, it is some kind of super-battery, probably worth billions just for that. Unfortunately for this battery idea, ... helium. You appear to have ignored the

Re: [Vo]:US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-26 Thread pagnucco
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll comment on it: he went on to say, but it isn't fusion. That's apparently because he's swallowed, lock, stock, and sinker, Widom-Larsen theory, and isolated, idiosyncratic attempt to explain LENR by coming up with even more preposterous hypotheses, none of