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Rossi no-comments : Andrea Rossi October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=5#comment-105875 Dear Max: The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. I do not know if and when they will want to make public statements and I am bound to a strict non disclosure agreement. Warm Regards, A.R.
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On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Rossi no-comments : Andrea Rossi October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=5#comment-105875 Dear Max: The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. I do not know if and when they will want to make public statements and I am bound to a strict non disclosure agreement. A skeptic forum member elsewhere predicted those words almost verbatim. T
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Area 51? 2011/10/29 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com Rossi no-comments : Andrea Rossi October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=5#comment-105875 Dear Max: The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. I do not know if and when they will want to make public statements and I am bound to a strict non disclosure agreement. Warm Regards, A.R.
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Am 29.10.2011 19:55, schrieb Daniel Rocha: Area 51? Cosa Nostra? Mafia! ;-) 2011/10/29 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com Rossi no-comments : Andrea Rossi October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=5#comment-105875 http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=5#comment-105875 Dear Max: The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. I do not know if and when they will want to make public statements and I am bound to a strict non disclosure agreement. Warm Regards, A.R.
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I don't think the Mafia has written non-disclosure agreements. But when things go wrong, they are known for putting out contracts Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Am 29.10.2011 19:55, schrieb Daniel Rocha: Area 51? Cosa Nostra? Mafia! ;-) 2011/10/29 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com Rossi no-comments : Andrea Rossi October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=5#comment-105875 http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=5#comment-105875 Dear Max: The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. I do not know if and when they will want to make public statements and I am bound to a strict non disclosure agreement. Warm Regards, A.R.
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. . . . A skeptic forum member elsewhere predicted those words almost verbatim. Not hard to predict. Rossi said that before the test. It may not be true, but that is what he claimed all along. - Jed
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I am of the contrarian opinion; for an American, this is the very best of news. If the customer is a military organization (the US Navy), the security apparatus of the associated country (the US) is now available in all its varied and potent forms both known and clandestine to protect the Rossi technology. Recall from the recent past how the United States Air Force protected the F-117 Stealth Fighter and B-2 Stealth Bomber technology with a cunning decade’s long campaign of disinformation and obfuscation: Spy and stealth planes--many with bizarre, bat-shaped wings, others with triangular silhouettes that inspire otherworldly designs in the minds of the general public--have long been cultivated by the military: the defense intelligence agency and the CIA. UFO sightings and lore and their official denials, feed rumors that the government isn't telling us about alien ships. The CIA estimates that over half of the UFOs reported from the '50s through the '60s were U-2 and SR-71 spy planes. At the time, the Air Force misled the public and the media to protect these Cold War programs; it's possible the government's responses to current sightings of classified craft--whether manned or remotely operated--are equally evasive. The result is an ongoing source of UFO reports and conspiracy theories. The armadas of secret Earth-built Air Force craft that have likely have lit up 911 switchboards over the years remain largely unknown in the minds and lives of the general public. Cold fusion is the ideal framework for a similar campaign of disinformation as a cover for advance Ni-H powered weapons systems. Rossi will quietly fade from the scene; while the US government paints anyone that believes that cold fusion is real as a kook, not only to protect defense secrets but to maintain the economic continuity of the fossil fuel economy that has served the US so well from disruptive turbulence. In a few decades, when the oil is much depleted and the natural gas from US shale deposits are petered out, cold fusion will emerge from the shadows of the skunk-works defense labs to continue the hegemony of the US and its oil producing allies. For all of us who own substantial holdings of oil and gas stocks, this is good news…the best. We can anticipate continued lucrative distributions of dividends into the indeterminate future with no prospect of disruptions or diminishment. On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. . . . A skeptic forum member elsewhere predicted those words almost verbatim. Not hard to predict. Rossi said that before the test. It may not be true, but that is what he claimed all along. - Jed
[Vo]:ideal client
Stirling Allan reports: *QA just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously during * *self-sustain; customer satisfied; sale made; more later.* I definitely like this client! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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That's ~3KW for every core... So, that's much less than the other test on 6th october, or at lest at the low end. And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? 2011/10/28 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Stirling Allan reports: *QA just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously during * *self-sustain; customer satisfied; sale made; more later.* I definitely like this client! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's ~3KW for every core... So, that's much less than the other test on 6th october, or at lest at the low end. And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? If there was no input power, the amplification was infinite. T
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There certainly was input, as it always happen to achieve a threshold temperature to begin the reaction. But, anyway, this was not the promised test... 2011/10/28 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's ~3KW for every core... So, that's much less than the other test on 6th october, or at lest at the low end. And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? If there was no input power, the amplification was infinite. T
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Stirling Allan reported: *QA just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously during . . .* I believe Terry Blanton's prediction was the closest to this. He wins the prize here, if these results are confirmed. The difference between 470 kW and 1 MW is unimportant. - Jed
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I am so sorry that I don't know who is the Customer. I want to offer him a Trabant 1963 and ask the price of a Rolls Royce 2009. So I lose a great opportunity. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: There certainly was input, as it always happen to achieve a threshold temperature to begin the reaction. But, anyway, this was not the promised test... 2011/10/28 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's ~3KW for every core... So, that's much less than the other test on 6th october, or at lest at the low end. And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? If there was no input power, the amplification was infinite. T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? The amplification was reportedly infinite, but anyway, how do you know what the customer was promised? Were you there during the negotiations? There certainly was input, as it always happen to achieve a threshold temperature to begin the reaction. If that is true, then probably all of the input power all came out immediately, before the machine began to self sustain. That is what happened on October 6. As long as there is a balance of input and output before the machine begins to self-sustaining it does not matter how much you input. But, anyway, this was not the promised test... Promised to who? You? Rossi did not promise anything to anyone I know. He made vague claims that shifted often. He said he would produce a megawatt of hot water, then he said steam, he said he would use 20 individual units than 50 than 300 then back to 50. His plans have changed again and again. He never made clear to anyone what he would do. There's nothing wrong with this. People who are inventing with cutting-edge technology have to change plans constantly, or they will fail. Rossi had no obligation to tell you or us anything about his plans or his test. - Jed
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If Rossi's Reactor output 470,000 watts using a sustained Nickel/Hydrogen reaction and an industrial client from the US just bought it, the world has changed more dramatically than when the Trinity site as alit. Vishnu also creates worlds. T
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He always promised, during all these months, that the costumer would get a 1 to 6 ratio amplification. And we know that from what he says that self sustaining is not stable for long. Now, he does a test that is very within the energy density of 1L or 2L of propane in every core. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: 2011/10/28 Subject: Re: [Vo]:ideal client To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? The amplification was reportedly infinite, but anyway, how do you know what the customer was promised? Were you there during the negotiations? There certainly was input, as it always happen to achieve a threshold temperature to begin the reaction. If that is true, then probably all of the input power all came out immediately, before the machine began to self sustain. That is what happened on October 6. As long as there is a balance of input and output before the machine begins to self-sustaining it does not matter how much you input. But, anyway, this was not the promised test... Promised to who? You? Rossi did not promise anything to anyone I know. He made vague claims that shifted often. He said he would produce a megawatt of hot water, then he said steam, he said he would use 20 individual units than 50 than 300 then back to 50. His plans have changed again and again. He never made clear to anyone what he would do. There's nothing wrong with this. People who are inventing with cutting-edge technology have to change plans constantly, or they will fail. Rossi had no obligation to tell you or us anything about his plans or his test. - Jed
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Wouldn't the client bother to open each unit and check what's inside? I wouldn't buy without taking a look inside each and every cat. 2011/10/28 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com He always promised, during all these months, that the costumer would get a 1 to 6 ratio amplification. And we know that from what he says that self sustaining is not stable for long. Now, he does a test that is very within the energy density of 1L or 2L of propane in every core. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: 2011/10/28 Subject: Re: [Vo]:ideal client To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? The amplification was reportedly infinite, but anyway, how do you know what the customer was promised? Were you there during the negotiations? There certainly was input, as it always happen to achieve a threshold temperature to begin the reaction. If that is true, then probably all of the input power all came out immediately, before the machine began to self sustain. That is what happened on October 6. As long as there is a balance of input and output before the machine begins to self-sustaining it does not matter how much you input. But, anyway, this was not the promised test... Promised to who? You? Rossi did not promise anything to anyone I know. He made vague claims that shifted often. He said he would produce a megawatt of hot water, then he said steam, he said he would use 20 individual units than 50 than 300 then back to 50. His plans have changed again and again. He never made clear to anyone what he would do. There's nothing wrong with this. People who are inventing with cutting-edge technology have to change plans constantly, or they will fail. Rossi had no obligation to tell you or us anything about his plans or his test. - Jed
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If you do so, you are NOT the Good Customer and NOT the Good Fairy. Not joking, it's a very special Customer, too good to be true/real. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Bruno Santos besantos1...@gmail.comwrote: Wouldn't the client bother to open each unit and check what's inside? I wouldn't buy without taking a look inside each and every cat. 2011/10/28 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com He always promised, during all these months, that the costumer would get a 1 to 6 ratio amplification. And we know that from what he says that self sustaining is not stable for long. Now, he does a test that is very within the energy density of 1L or 2L of propane in every core. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: 2011/10/28 Subject: Re: [Vo]:ideal client To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? The amplification was reportedly infinite, but anyway, how do you know what the customer was promised? Were you there during the negotiations? There certainly was input, as it always happen to achieve a threshold temperature to begin the reaction. If that is true, then probably all of the input power all came out immediately, before the machine began to self sustain. That is what happened on October 6. As long as there is a balance of input and output before the machine begins to self-sustaining it does not matter how much you input. But, anyway, this was not the promised test... Promised to who? You? Rossi did not promise anything to anyone I know. He made vague claims that shifted often. He said he would produce a megawatt of hot water, then he said steam, he said he would use 20 individual units than 50 than 300 then back to 50. His plans have changed again and again. He never made clear to anyone what he would do. There's nothing wrong with this. People who are inventing with cutting-edge technology have to change plans constantly, or they will fail. Rossi had no obligation to tell you or us anything about his plans or his test. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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The first priority is to win the sale. Getting outbid while kicking the tires would be devastating to the customer. The contract will specify that the sale is void if Rossi is using chemical shenanigans. The sooner the customer can start working on the technology, the faster they can establish themselves as the leader in e-cat technology. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bruno Santos besantos1...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't the client bother to open each unit and check what's inside? I wouldn't buy without taking a look inside each and every cat.
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In fact, I am questioning the existence of a client. If no weird rumor appears in a few months, well, I will be sure that there was never an e-cat. Of course, the client can give up the deal like Defkalion did, and we(except me) will never know if anything happened today... 2011/10/28 Bruno Santos besantos1...@gmail.com Wouldn't the client bother to open each unit and check what's inside? I wouldn't buy without taking a look inside each and every cat. 2011/10/28 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com He always promised, during all these months, that the costumer would get a 1 to 6 ratio amplification. And we know that from what he says that self sustaining is not stable for long. Now, he does a test that is very within the energy density of 1L or 2L of propane in every core. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: 2011/10/28 Subject: Re: [Vo]:ideal client To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? The amplification was reportedly infinite, but anyway, how do you know what the customer was promised? Were you there during the negotiations? There certainly was input, as it always happen to achieve a threshold temperature to begin the reaction. If that is true, then probably all of the input power all came out immediately, before the machine began to self sustain. That is what happened on October 6. As long as there is a balance of input and output before the machine begins to self-sustaining it does not matter how much you input. But, anyway, this was not the promised test... Promised to who? You? Rossi did not promise anything to anyone I know. He made vague claims that shifted often. He said he would produce a megawatt of hot water, then he said steam, he said he would use 20 individual units than 50 than 300 then back to 50. His plans have changed again and again. He never made clear to anyone what he would do. There's nothing wrong with this. People who are inventing with cutting-edge technology have to change plans constantly, or they will fail. Rossi had no obligation to tell you or us anything about his plans or his test. - Jed
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You have made an excellent point. I noticed that the self sustaining power was quite a bit below the driven power and this may demonstrate that phenomenon. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:ideal client On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's ~3KW for every core... So, that's much less than the other test on 6th october, or at lest at the low end. And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? If there was no input power, the amplification was infinite. T
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Wait until the final results are posted and then we will know the score. I recall that there were to be two of the 500 kwatt units to make up a complete system. This test may just evolve one. Dave -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:ideal client There certainly was input, as it always happen to achieve a threshold temperature to begin the reaction. But, anyway, this was not the promised test... 2011/10/28 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's ~3KW for every core... So, that's much less than the other test on 6th october, or at lest at the low end. And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened? If there was no input power, the amplification was infinite. T
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On 2011-10-28 20:26, Peter Gluck wrote: Stirling Allan reports: *QA just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously during * *self-sustain; customer satisfied; sale made; more later.* I definitely like this client! Interesting comment on 22passi blog by an unidentified user (who appears to be truthful), translated in English by me. I think he mistook kW and MW with kWh and MWh: * * * I'm back from Via dell'Elettricista [Rossi's factory location in Bologna]. What Sterling Allan says is what Rossi said during the press conference, so it's the truth, for what it's worth. I can confirm that steam couldn't be seen as it was being condensed. Measurements should have been done by a certain engineer Fioravanti (I believe on behalf of the very important customer). Not everything went well (the usual [leaking] gaskets, the self-sustaining reaction that was in danger of runaway, etc), but 470kWh (even if not 1 MWh) without input power (excluding that of water pumps) couldn't leave room for doubts. Rossi will send a report (written by the customer's consultants) to the attendees, but he's already read it aloud entirely during the press conference in both Italian/English versions. There were many Swedes. Stremmenos, Levi, Ferrari were quite serene and attentive. Anyhow, either everybody made arrangements [to fake a succesful test] or it's all true. * * * Cheers, S.A.
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On 2011-10-28 21:52, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Interesting comment on 22passi blog by an unidentified user (who appears to be truthful), translated in English by me. I think he mistook kW and MW with kWh and MWh: More interestingly, the same user is also reporting that during the press conference Rossi claimed to have obtained all necessary permissions in order to perform the 1MW E-Cat test. Cheers, S.A.
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If they only have heated water by about 50° then he would not need any permission. This would be 2 liters of hot water per second (estimated, not calculated). this are 7.2 m^3 per hour. This should be possible. However, how did they cool down the water (or condense the steam) to recycle it? For this a rather large heat exchanger would be needed. Is there a river nearby? This would do it too. Or wasnt it a closed circuit? Then it would be possible with two tank trucks. Peter Am 28.10.2011 22:20, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: On 2011-10-28 21:52, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Interesting comment on 22passi blog by an unidentified user (who appears to be truthful), translated in English by me. I think he mistook kW and MW with kWh and MWh: More interestingly, the same user is also reporting that during the press conference Rossi claimed to have obtained all necessary permissions in order to perform the 1MW E-Cat test. Cheers, S.A.
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Peter Heckert wrote: If they only have heated water by about 50° then he would not need any permission. In the U.S. you are not allowed to operate a boiler as large as this without a permit. It makes no difference whether it produces steam or hot water. You must have a permit; the machine has to be installed by a licensed HVAC person; and it has to be periodically inspected for safety. I have no idea what the rules are in Italy. I am talking about conventional electric and combustion boilers. I do not think the authorities would make an exception for a nuclear reactor that works by unknown principles. I do not think they would say, we have no rule that applies to that so go ahead and do whatever you want. On the other hand, as someone suggested here, perhaps if you apply for a permit they may say: cold fusion does not exist. Your reactor must be fake, so we will not issue a permit. This is not our department. Perhaps the police should be brought in to investigate fraud, but we do not issue permits for imaginary reactors. Do as you please. - Jed
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Am 28.10.2011 22:59, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: If they only have heated water by about 50° then he would not need any permission. In the U.S. you are not allowed to operate a boiler as large as this without a permit. It makes no difference whether it produces steam or hot water. You must have a permit; the machine has to be installed by a licensed HVAC person; and it has to be periodically inspected for safety. I have no idea what the rules are in Italy. I dont know, and I am not too interested. The problem is, the heat must be dissipated or stored somewhere. Even at 470kW this cannot been done easily. How was this done? Has nobody seen something. Where there big ventilators running? This must give more than 7 m^3 of hot water per hour or even more steam volume or even more hot air volume. This cannot been done unnoticed and unexplained.
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Am 28.10.2011 23:15, schrieb Peter Heckert: The problem is, the heat must be dissipated or stored somewhere. Even at 470kW this cannot been done easily. How was this done? Has nobody seen something. Where there big ventilators running? This must give more than 7 m^3 of hot water per hour or even more steam volume or even more hot air volume. This cannot been done unnoticed and unexplained. 470 kW is the heat that comes down to earth surface on an hot summerday on an area of 470 m^2. This energy cannot vanish without being noticed. If, then there was no energy. Peter
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On 2011-10-28 23:15, Peter Heckert wrote: The problem is, the heat must be dissipated or stored somewhere. Even at 470kW this cannot been done easily. How was this done? Has nobody seen something. Where there big ventilators running? Another 22passi user who was there mentions there were six large (1.5x1.5 meters) heat exchangers with approximately 1 meter wide cooling fans. Cheers, S.A.
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Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Another 22passi user who was there mentions there were six large (1.5x1.5 meters) heat exchangers with approximately 1 meter wide cooling fans. Ah! Finally some technical details. That sounds good. Six large heat exchangers sounds like what you would need. Where did you read that? URL please! - Jed
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On 2011-10-28 23:56, Jed Rothwell wrote: Ah! Finally some technical details. That sounds good. Six large heat exchangers sounds like what you would need. Where did you read that? URL please! I read it in one of the latest comments of 22passi Blog user nemo here: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/10/bologna-28-ottobre-2011-spazio-per-i.html User sono solo un test added interesting tidbits as well (in Italian). Anyway, we'll see much more information soon. Daniele Passerini said in his last comment in the URL above that (essentially) the news embargo has ended (literally, that the AP exclusive ended at midnight, Italian time). Cheers, S.A.
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Am 28.10.2011 23:38, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: On 2011-10-28 23:15, Peter Heckert wrote: The problem is, the heat must be dissipated or stored somewhere. Even at 470kW this cannot been done easily. How was this done? Has nobody seen something. Where there big ventilators running? Another 22passi user who was there mentions there were six large (1.5x1.5 meters) heat exchangers with approximately 1 meter wide cooling fans. Thank you very much! Mass of air: 1.3 kg/m^3 Isobar heat capacity of air: 1kWs/(kg*K) (K = Kelvin) Calculation for delta T = 50K : Air mass flow = power/(heat capacity * delta T) = 470 kW/(1 kWs)*kg*K /(50*K) = 9.4 kg/s. Air volume flow = 9.4kg/s / (1.3 kg/m^3) = 7.2 m^3 /s Area of fans = 6*1.5*1.5 m^2 = 13.5 m^2. Air speed = 7.2/13.5 m/s = 0.53 m/s = 1.9 km/h. So at delta T = 5 K we would get about 20 km/h of air speed. This is about the speed of an bicycle. Yes, this is credible. I am not used to do such calculations, so please check for errors. If my calculation is correct, then my question is: Was anybody there and did feel a warm wind at bicycle speed or a hot wind at slow pedestrian speed?
