Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:07:03 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Let me try to be more specific on this point: > >Ø > >Ø Protons do not decay in a cold state, but if accelerated fast enough (as at >CERN) – they will decay to 4 muons after a collision. This does not

Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Jones, I would like to hear your arguments of evidence that the muons CAME from the proton. My first observation is that muons are ~100MeV particles by positive mass energy. That says that ~200MeV could wrench a muon - antimuon pair into existence (presumably from the Dirac sea). Since this was

RE: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Jones, Brightsen's Clustron Model of the nucleus also has antimatter in the nucleus. I have pdf's of all his papers if anyone is interested. Ron --On Tuesday, October 06, 2015 5:58 PM -0700 Jones Beene wrote: Of interest - wrt the "9 muon model" of the proton is an

Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

If Protons are are made of Muons, then could Muons or anti-Muons fired at a Proton/atom not cause Proton Decay and atomic Transmutation/Fission? Particle physics isn't my bag, anyone know what results? On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5,

Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Holmlid's research is worth at least 20 billion euros. CENR wants to build a Muon factory that cost that huge amount, but has not figured out how to reduce the energy of the muons that they will produce to low levels. Holmlid produces very mild muons from the getgo. On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:34

RE: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Of interest - wrt the “9 muon model” of the proton is an old paper by Harold Aspen where he came up with the same conclusion. http://www.aetherscience.org/www-aspden-org/books/Asp/1988c.pdf Aspden missed the important detail about binding energy showing up as mass deficit, but still it is more

RE: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

From: Bob Higgins * Jones, I would like to hear your arguments of evidence that the muons CAME from the proton. Bob, The CERN report is certainly aware of the implications of pair formation. Good evidence comes from that - and the next best comes as implications from Holmlid’s papers.

Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Holmlid also states that many other types of sub atomic particles are produced. Mesons of various types and pions are mentioned. The muon is a decay product of mesons. It is unclear what is initially produced and what is a decay product. The higher energy particles have a very short lifetime

Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's resultsJones-- A similar notion of the model of the proton, neutron etc. made up of electrons and positrons has been presented by Philippi Hatt at the ICCF-19 and also presented recently to the Russians at their invitation. Peter Gluck also

Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

If Protons were composed of Muons and Anti-Muons, both short lived and annihilate with each other, how could there be no evidence of Proton Decay? I didn't even finish reading, so maybe this was explained later, but that's all I had the time or head space to observe. On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:43

RE: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

From: John Berry Ø If Protons were composed of Muons and Anti-Muons, both short lived and annihilate with each other, how could there be no evidence of Proton Decay? There is plenty of evidence of the aftermath of proton decay following a high energy collision, so I’m assuming you mean

Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Jones Beene wrote: You don’t see any quarks. I believe this ad hoc result falls under the notion of "color confinement," meaning you don't find partial color charge in the wild. Instead you get a "hadron jet" of quark-antiquark pairs, whose

RE: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Let me try to be more specific on this point: Ø Ø Protons do not decay in a cold state, but if accelerated fast enough (as at CERN) – they will decay to 4 muons after a collision. This does not absolutely mean that protons are made of muons, but it is an indication of some kind of