Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Michel Jullian
2010/3/14 Steven Krivit stev...@newenergytimes.com: At 02:35 AM 3/14/2010, you wrote: Interesting, but why would Focardi discredit his own work? I don't think he would want to. Then it can't be a Ni-H research discrediting operation can it? Or one would have to imagine that Focardi himself

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: Then it can't be a Ni-H research discrediting operation can it? No. The authors are aware of this paper. It is really their work. Or one would have to imagine that Focardi himself has been conned. Note that multi-kW excess heat must be quite easy to fake in this

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Michel Jullian
If they have equal shares in this work, why isn't Focardi on the patent? Michel 2010/3/15, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Michel Jullian wrote: Then it can't be a Ni-H research discrediting operation can it? No. The authors are aware of this paper. It is really their work. Or one

RE: [Vo]:simulation of fractional hydrogen ashless

2010-03-15 Thread Frank
Robin You have identified a missing link in my education - I was sure a covalent bond released a photon in transferring to a lower energy state just like an electron falling to a lower orbital. After Robin's comment about 3body collisions I went looking for info on covalent bonds and

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: If they have equal shares in this work, why isn't Focardi on the patent? I did not say they have equal shares. I have no idea how much each contributed. I said I am sure Focardi knows about this paper. Anyway, that patent seems worthless, for the reasons already discussed

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian meant that the built-in built-in resistance heater might go up to 3 kW. There is no other input power. The heater is only needed to bring the temperature up to the temperature at which the Ni reacts. I guess that would be the temperature at which it readily absorbs hydrogen. I

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: The Patterson light water cell demonstration . . . was made of ridiculously low-budget, unreliable parts, and it failed drastically in the middle of the demo, as I described in the report. Cravens briefed me before I went to California, so I had some idea what the demo was like. I

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Notice the programmer's bias in this statement: (With the siphon, the weight scale is tied into the computer which records of the increase in weight of water, and you ignore the periods when it suddenly decreases, and the siphon dumps out.) Yes, the numbers on my screen are going down.

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Anyway, this 80 W strikes me as odd, but that may only be a function of my ignorance of this technique, and the lack of detail in the paper. But what does this 80 W mean? Maybe this means it takes only about 80 W to bring it up to the operating temperature. That would mean the cell

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Wozniak reports Prius problem

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is off topic but it is related to technology, and to the latest bruouhaha in the news. People have called into question the report made by James Sikes that his Prius went out of control for several miles. In the interest of disseminating technically accurate information, here is a comment

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Steven Krivit
At 01:46 AM 3/15/2010, you wrote: 2010/3/14 Steven Krivit stev...@newenergytimes.com: At 02:35 AM 3/14/2010, you wrote: Interesting, but why would Focardi discredit his own work? I don't think he would want to. Then it can't be a Ni-H research discrediting operation can it? Or one would

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: My next question is how the whole buzz on this started...obviously there was the Journal of Nuclear Physics Web site. But who propagated that around? Anybody know? The usual suspects. Me and many others. Anyone interested in cold fusion will have heard about this by

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Hold everything. I am wrong again. On p. 3 it says: Some examples of the results obtained with this system (method A) in brief periods (1-1,5 hours) are reported in lines 1-3 of the Table 1. So, for the first experiment, 0.2 kWh over 1 to 1.5 hours is somewhere between 133 to 200 W. So what

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Wozniak reports Prius problem

2010-03-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 03/15/2010 06:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is off topic but it is related to technology, and to the latest bruouhaha in the news. People have called into question the report made by James Sikes that his Prius went out of control for several miles. In the interest of disseminating

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Wozniak reports Prius problem

2010-03-15 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Wozniak also said that he thinks the problem is a software one, rather than a mechanical one. Cheers, Lawry On Mar 15, 2010, at 6:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is off topic but it is related to technology, and to the latest bruouhaha in the news. People have called into question the

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Wozniak reports Prius problem

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lawrence de Bivort wrote: Wozniak also said that he thinks the problem is a software one, rather than a mechanical one. [. . . teed up and . . .] Yeah? Well he's a hardware guy. As a software guy let me assure you it's gotta be a mechanical problem. Seriously, there is no doubt that what

Re: [Vo]:Focardi and Rossi paper

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Okay, I got a gracious response from Focardi and Rossi. I have permission to upload the paper. A low level of input power is needed, but they would prefer not to discuss the details yet. It will be described in a new publication soon. Let's give them time to get their act together and not put

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Wozniak reports Prius problem

2010-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Also on this subject, perhaps it is time for Toyota to re-think their advertising slogan: Moving Forward - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Wozniak reports Prius problem

2010-03-15 Thread Harry Veeder
I looked up cryptozoology on wikipedia. There is also entry for cryptobotany. Perhaps we should start one for cryptophysics?! Harry From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 11:57:26 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Wozniak reports Prius problem

[Vo]:Cryptophysics

2010-03-15 Thread Harry Veeder
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Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Wozniak reports Prius problem

2010-03-15 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
LOL On Mar 16, 2010, at 12:14 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Also on this subject, perhaps it is time for Toyota to re-think their advertising slogan: Moving Forward - Jed