Re: [Vo]:ecat arxiv.org paper updated

2013-06-11 Thread Alain Sepeda
for low frequencies, above some frequence (few Hz probably) it could be detected even if it is not harmonics. Normally harmonics are important because this is the only possible frequency generated by passive components... subharmonics, or non synchronous frequency appear on the scope display, as

RE: [Vo]:[Vo] Rossi and temperature

2013-06-11 Thread DJ Cravens
thanks, but most of these are temperature as function of time. What I am after is power out as a function of temperature. Dennis Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:29:09 -0700 From: a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Vo] Rossi and temperature Lewan April 19 :

[Vo]:LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread Jones Beene
Story with many implications, real or imaginary: http://www.nature.com/news/rock-samples-suggest-meteor-caused-tunguska-blast -1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611 Researchers from Ukraine say that they have found a smoking gun for the Tunguska event, and it is a small fragment from an iron-nickel

Re: [Vo]:LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread ChemE Stewart
jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Story with many implications, real or imaginary: http://www.nature.com/news/rock-samples-suggest-meteor-caused-tunguska-blast -1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611 Researchers from Ukraine say that they have found a smoking gun for the Tunguska event, and it is a small

Re: [Vo]:OT: NSA Leaker- Edward Snowden and 200K Pay Scale

2013-06-11 Thread pagnucco
Axil, Yes, but you are protected from the ubiquitous enemy du jour. Perhaps, also of interest-- NSA Leaker's Six-Figure Pay Should Spark Debate: Why Are Federal Workers Being Replaced With Pricier Contractors?

Re: [Vo]:OT: NSA Leaker- Edward Snowden and 200K Pay Scale

2013-06-11 Thread Axil Axil
* Yes, but you are protected from the ubiquitous enemy du jour.* The offensive hacker will always have the advantage. The Chinese got the plans for the most secret weapons systems from secure databases.

Re: [Vo]:OT: NSA Leaker- Edward Snowden and 200K Pay Scale

2013-06-11 Thread pagnucco
Axil, Perhaps also of interest -- http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/main-core-a-list-of-millions-of-americans-that-will-be-subject-to-detention-during-a-national-crisis * Yes, but you are protected from the ubiquitous enemy du jour.* The offensive hacker will always have the

RE: [Vo]:LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread Jones Beene
? Stewart darkmattersalot.com Story with many implications, real or imaginary: http://www.nature.com/news/rock-samples-suggest-meteor-caused-tunguska-blast http://www.nature.com/news/rock-samples-suggest-meteor-caused-tunguska-blas t%0d%0a-1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611 -1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS

[Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread pagnucco
A very remarkable achievement -- Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/jun/11/quantum-teleportation-done-between-distant-large-objects ...Their experimental set-up involves two room-temperature samples of caesium-133 gas held in

Re: [Vo]:LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread ChemE Stewart
/news/rock-samples-suggest-meteor-caused-tunguska-blast -1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611http://www.nature.com/news/rock-samples-suggest-meteor-caused-tunguska-blast%0d%0a-1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611 Researchers from Ukraine say that they have found a smoking gun for the Tunguska event

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Bird
That really sounds interesting. I don't suppose you would like to translate that in non-mensa-ese. Roger On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:04 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: A very remarkable achievement -- Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

Re: [Vo]:LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Bird
?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611http://www.nature.com/news/rock-samples-suggest-meteor-caused-tunguska-blast%0d%0a-1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611 Researchers from Ukraine say that they have found a smoking gun for the Tunguska event, and it is a small fragment from an iron-nickel-carbon meteor that could have

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread leaking pen
They made entangled particles interact with each other at a distance for a while, sending complex info, rather than a single on off communication like we've done at distance before. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Roger Bird bachc...@gmail.com wrote: That really sounds interesting. I don't

Re: [Vo]:[Vo] Rossi and temperature

2013-06-11 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:58:51 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:[Vo] Rossi and temperature thanks, but most of these are temperature as function of time. What I am after is power out as a function of temperature. They are all constant-input-flow systems. I

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread pagnucco
Roger, Hopefully, here is my attempt at a concise mini-explanation: They have managed to create a Schroedinger's cat state in a macroscopic system (not as large as a cat, but pretty big) and managed to transfer it over a distance of nearly two feet at room temperature to another macroscopic

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

2013-06-11 Thread pagnucco
Axil, Rather than leptonic monopoles, is it possible that a more conventional explanation can be found, i.e., intense em-filamentary excitations can travel quite a distance in gases and solids. For example, see - Range of plasma filaments created in air by a multi-terawatt femtosecond laser --

Re: [Vo]:QBism

2013-06-11 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 8:19:33 PM I first saw it on the newsstand and just flipped through it. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Teaser. Do you have a subscription? I also skimmed it at a magazine rack.

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

2013-06-11 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Kevin, when you suggest involvement of a BEC, you need to consider the sequence of the process. First deuterons have to assemble into a BEC of a increasingly larger size. Two d must first come together and remain

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

2013-06-11 Thread Kevin O'Malley
They have been detected in experiments by both George Miley and Francesco Celani when they detected a drop of electrical resistance in areas of dipole condensation formation. ***Frances, do you have links to these 2 papers? On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Roarty, Francis X

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Bird
Thank you. That's what I thought. (:-) On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Roger, Hopefully, here is my attempt at a concise mini-explanation: They have managed to create a Schroedinger's cat state in a macroscopic system (not as large as a cat, but pretty

Re: [Vo]:LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread ChemE Stewart
?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611 Researchers from Ukraine say that they have found a smoking gun for the Tunguska event, and it is a small fragment from an iron-nickel-carbon meteor that could have caused the half-megaton blast, leaving few traces. The study is published in Planetary and Space Science

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread Kevin O'Malley
This isn't teleportation, it is transmission of information. In this case, the information transmitted was spin state. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: A very remarkable achievement -- Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

Re: [Vo]:LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread Kevin O'Malley
-20130611http://www.nature.com/news/rock-samples-suggest-meteor-caused-tunguska-blast%0d%0a-1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611 Researchers from Ukraine say that they have found a smoking gun for the Tunguska event, and it is a small fragment from an iron-nickel-carbon meteor that could have caused

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

2013-06-11 Thread Harry Veeder
Data - Drop the shields https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHoXUP804vg Harry

Re: [Vo]:Al Gore is aware of recent LENR developments

2013-06-11 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Robert Ellefson vortex-h...@e2ke.comwrote: Good News! In a google hangout that just occured, Vice President Al Gore said that there have been VERY interesting developments in cold fusion recently, and he used significant tonal inflection to emphasize his

[Vo]:Al Gore is aware of recent LENR developments

2013-06-11 Thread Robert Ellefson
Good News! In a google hangout that just occured, Vice President Al Gore said that there have been VERY interesting developments in cold fusion recently, and he used significant tonal inflection to emphasize his point. He also explained that the term LENR was preferred now, indicating he is

Re: [Vo]:LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread ChemE Stewart
-20130611 Researchers from Ukraine say that they have found a smoking gun for the Tunguska event, and it is a small fragment from an iron-nickel-carbon meteor that could have caused the half-megaton blast, leaving few traces. The study is published in Planetary and Space Science. Hold

RE: [Vo]:Al Gore is aware of recent LENR developments

2013-06-11 Thread Robert Ellefson
Thanks for the link, Harry. In reviewing the video, I realize that I slightly misquoted VP Gore. His relevant words were actually: VERY intriguing explorations of what used to be called cold fusion. But he did not actually use LENR as a term; my mistake. He knows about it,

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Bird
It is still interesting as all get out and perhaps even miraculous. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: This isn't teleportation, it is transmission of information. In this case, the information transmitted was spin state. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Bird
And does the sweet little boy get any credit? Heck no! They just turn their backs to him and continue with their selfish hard heartedness. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Data - Drop the shields https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHoXUP804vg Harry

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

2013-06-11 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Kevin, Not sure which 2 papers you mean, If you mean Miley and Celani..no , please forward but if you are referring to Jed's citation http://coldfusionnow.org/nanoscale-ag-may-decrease-the-radiation-of-cesium-134-and-137-by-lenr-transmutation/ , it was a translation from a

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread Gibson Elliot
Kevin I couldn't agree more. To call it teleportation is like saying my PC is teleporting the characters of this email. Wrong terminology, chosen to generate sensationalism. Transmission would be more appropriate. There's one thing about the proof of entanglement that I have difficulty

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

2013-06-11 Thread Harry Veeder
Much of the episode was about the boy working through his trauma, with Data assuming the role of a spirit guide / counselor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUAyKOYMhOo Harry On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Roger Bird bachc...@gmail.com wrote: And does the sweet little boy get any credit?

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread Terry Blanton
Even stranger is entanglement with the past: http://www.livescience.com/19975-spooky-quantum-entanglement.html

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

2013-06-11 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jun 11, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Kevin, when you suggest involvement of a BEC, you need to consider the sequence of the process. First deuterons have to assemble into a BEC of a increasingly

RE: [Vo]:LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
%0a-1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611 -1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611 Researchers from Ukraine say that they have found a smoking gun for the Tunguska event, and it is a small fragment from an iron-nickel-carbon meteor that could have caused the half-megaton blast, leaving few traces. The study

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Bird
Translate, please. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Even stranger is entanglement with the past: http://www.livescience.com/19975-spooky-quantum-entanglement.html

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread David Roberson
It seems likely that quantum entanglement with the past should be possible. I base this upon the fact that it is reported that the effects of entangled particles are instantaneous regardless of distance between them. So, if you consider time as local, then things that are spatially separated

Re: [Vo]:Quantum teleportation done between distant large objects

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Bird
But the question then becomes, would they believe us. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5:27 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It seems likely that quantum entanglement with the past should be possible. I base this upon the fact that it is reported that the effects of entangled particles

[Vo]:RE: LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread Jones Beene
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint Atomic absorption spectroscopy does exhibit some phenomena which are in this range of the EM spectrum, e.g., the 21cm line of hydrogen which is due to the atomic transition between the two hyperfine levels of the hydrogen 1s ground state

[Vo]:Lonsdaleite

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Bird
Let's get back to lonsdaleite. How much you got? What do you want for it?

Re: [Vo]:RE: LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread David Roberson
Jones and/or Mark, You mention that an isolated atom of hydrogen in space takes millions of years to flip. And, that it is at near absolute zero temperature. From my perspective it is at absolute zero since velocity is relative. The implication is that collisions with other atoms is what

RE: [Vo]:Lonsdaleite

2013-06-11 Thread Jones Beene
From: Roger Bird Let's get back to lonsdaleite. How much you got? What do you want for it? http://www.systematic-mineralogy.com/mineral.aspx?id=3696 or if you need a bit more http://cci.siteturbine.com/facultystorm/profile/research/publication.php?pub licationId=7406

[Vo]:Molecular Impact Steam Technology

2013-06-11 Thread Charles Francis
Another Florida free energy start-up: http://www.mistenergysystems.com Any thoughts on their claims and the supposed Hydrogen Bond Energy? http://blog.hasslberger.com/docs/Hydrogen_Bond_Explosions.pdf Just as a lit match releases the energy contained in gasoline, our hyper speed impact

Re: [Vo]:Lonsdaleite

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Bird
By my calculation that comes to $88,458.70 per ounce. (:-) On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: ** ** *From:* Roger Bird ** ** Let's get back to lonsdaleite. How much you got? What do you want for it? ** ** ** ** ** **

RE: [Vo]:Molecular Impact Steam Technology

2013-06-11 Thread Jones Beene
There is a fairly long thread here http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/83737/Why-Not-Use-Kinetic-Energy-to-Generat e-Steam?Pg=1 Richard Aho . or Smokie CEO or MIST - tries to defend his device to skeptics. It is not easy to do. There are many red flags and the so-called testing stinks. He may

RE: [Vo]:RE: LENR, Lonsdaleite and Tunguska

2013-06-11 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Indeed… and what if that miniscule addition of energy is repeated at, and in-phase with, the frequency of the electron oscillation (~10^15Hz). If the addition of energy is in-phase (coherent, constructive), then the energy accumulated over 1 second in a single H atom is the product of 5.87^-6 eV

Re: [Vo]:Molecular Impact Steam Technology

2013-06-11 Thread Mark Gibbs
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: ... Richard Aho … or “Smokie” CEO or MIST - tries to defend his device to skeptics. It is not easy to do. There are many red flags and the so-called testing stinks. Now where have we heard that before ... ? He may or

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

2013-06-11 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: So, you propose that PdD contains BEC in the lattice as it forms. Nevertheless, all PdD is not nuclear active ***I never said ALL PdD would be nuclear active. Just... some of it would be forming BECs. and PdD has

Re: [Vo]:BEC transforms photon frequency

2013-06-11 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Now, wait a second. After responding to this and seeing your lack of response, then repeating the same thing on another thread it leads me to re-examine what you wrote. Perhaps you are saying here that near-zero BECs have formed in Metal Hydrides? If so, then how can you say on the other thread