Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Google translated: From about 20 days are repeated trials and demonstrations in Milan only for customers and for about a couple of months in Canada forever just to customers. I see two problems with this marketing scheme. First, you need a magic crystal ball to know who your customers are.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
They are not fools. They are not doing that for customers. 2013/7/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com First, you need a magic crystal ball to know who your customers are. When you are selling things people often come to look, but it turns out they do not want the product or they are not

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: They are not fools. They are not doing that for customers. Then who are they doing it for? If a business does not do things for customers, it is not a business. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
Public awareness? 2013/7/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: They are not fools. They are not doing that for customers. Then who are they doing it for? If a business does not do things for customers, it is not a business. - Jed -- Daniel

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread Alain Sepeda
2013/7/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com From what they said , it seems they have too many candidates. They seems like some LENR researchers I've heard about that they have more friend than can hold their agenda. It seems businessmen are more open than academics and media. the behavior of

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
But politics is important in this business. 2013/7/16 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com Public awareness works for politics. Market awareness works for business. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread James Bowery
Public awareness works for politics. Market awareness works for business. On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Public awareness? 2013/7/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: They are not fools. They are not

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread James Bowery
You want to know what it takes to overcome political opposition from bureaucratic insiders to outside competition: Look this guy uphttp://web.archive.org/web/20081212071704/http://www.geocities.com/jim_bowery/testimny.htm. He seems to have some experience dealing with that sort of thing. Clue:

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
The difference it is that you wanted to change a policy. They want to raise awareness about the existance of something. 2013/7/16 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com You want to know what it takes to overcome political opposition from bureaucratic insiders to outside competition: Look this guy

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread James Bowery
If the point of raising public awareness is political then what is the point of pursuing politics if not to change policy? On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: The difference it is that you wanted to change a policy. They want to raise awareness about the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
Because you cannot do it without having proved the existance of something, that is, a high power reactor. So, you do both. 2013/7/16 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com If the point of raising public awareness is political then what is the point of pursuing politics if not to change policy? On

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread James Bowery
As Alan Fletcher said Sounds even worse than a Rossi event. Rossi events don't prove the existence of anything significant. They raise public awareness and appear to have had no impact on *anything*. Oh, we can *speculate* about *invisible* impact, but the fact remains that there are no

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread Axil Axil
*But in the sense of dealing with the perverse realities of current authority structures.* What is the best way to work within the current authority structures? It seems to me in this current day and age that the current authority structures are based on corporate control of governments by

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-16 Thread James Bowery
Think of civilization as a very primitive multicellular organism that takes humans and turns them into asexual cells that perform various specialized functions. When I say very primitive I mean you have to look back _far_ beyond 600 million years ago (the point at which cellular specialization

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
I see no evidence of any LENR related conference, presentation, showcase, unlike last year... Even Defkalion corrected the enthusiams of a reporter (Jeane Manning I think) who announced a demo at NIWeek... It seems NI was afraid that LENR may eclipse NI usual business. 2013/7/15 blaze spinnaker

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-15 Thread DJ Cravens
NI. Dennis From: alain.sep...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:45:02 +0200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I see no evidence of any LENR related conference, presentation, showcase, unlike last year...Even Defkalion corrected

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-15 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-07-15 16:01, DJ Cravens wrote: I asked Defkalion directly and got a non committal reply- neither confirming or denying. We do not disclose what we will present in NI Week and ICCF-18. This is unconfirmed news, but it seems there will be a Defkalion GT demo in Milan, Italy on July

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-15 Thread blaze spinnaker
http://22passi.blogspot.fr/2013/07/stasera-defkalion-ospite-di-moebius.html#1373899462684 MYSTERY said ... @ Thu , 22 In the demo there will be a representative of CICAP, a physicist from what I understand, journalists from the BBC and will be streaming at the same time to another streaming

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-15 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-07-16 03:23, blaze spinnaker wrote: Unconfirmed rumor at this point, but if true: (face palm) Towards the end (minute 32:50 onwards) of the following podcast (in Italian) of a radio show about science and technology (Moebius [1], from Radio24, an all-news radio station owned by the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-15 Thread blaze spinnaker
They don't directly link Defkalion GT to this demo, but the hearsay information I've read around (22passi like you pointed to and a different blog where the same author occasionally writes) does and seems reliable. Which blog is that? I read about this via lenr-forum.com Alain is pretty

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013-07-15 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 7:48:47 PM http://fusionefredda.wordpress.com/2013/07/12/preparata Google-translated comment : Andrea writes: July 15th, 2013 at 2:33 pm In the demo of 22 there will be a representative of CICAP, a physicist from what