Re: [Vo]:Energy Catalyzer Wiki : FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH!
On Dec 3, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote: I've look a gain, and I'm still suspect about using ZPE, because ZPE is only an energy that you cannot use to go below... by definition. When you get to nuclear sizes that lower limit is very large. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Energy Catalyzer Wiki : FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH!
Am 04.12.2011 06:56, schrieb Alain dit le Cycliste: I've look a gain, and I'm still suspect about using ZPE, because ZPE is only an energy that you cannot use to go below... by definition. There are new reports that photons where extracted from ZPE: http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26813/ This however requires as much energy as the photons contain. I personally believe, that hydrogen atoms can be made from ZPE. The mechanism to do this, is gravity. There is no other mechanism to compress ZPE than gravity. Therefore this can only happen in the intergalactic space in unimaginable large dimensions of absense of matter. This empty space is a billion times larger than the galaxys themselfes. Most people are not aware about this fact, because we always only look to the visible matter, but not the invisible space. Therefore I think, it is impossible to tap the ZPE on earth. But it can be engineered and used as a medium if it exists. Peter
Re: [Vo]:Energy Catalyzer Wiki : FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH!
On Dec 4, 2011, at 3:46 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 04.12.2011 06:56, schrieb Alain dit le Cycliste: I've look a gain, and I'm still suspect about using ZPE, because ZPE is only an energy that you cannot use to go below... by definition. There are new reports that photons where extracted from ZPE: http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26813/ This however requires as much energy as the photons contain. I personally believe, that hydrogen atoms can be made from ZPE. The mechanism to do this, is gravity. There is no other mechanism to compress ZPE than gravity. Therefore this can only happen in the intergalactic space in unimaginable large dimensions of absense of matter. This empty space is a billion times larger than the galaxys themselfes. Most people are not aware about this fact, because we always only look to the visible matter, but not the invisible space. Therefore I think, it is impossible to tap the ZPE on earth. But it can be engineered and used as a medium if it exists. Peter It appears we are too far in disagreement on this to have sensible conversation. In any case, my position on this is here: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/NuclearZPEtapping.pdf You may find interesting the following references therein: 1 H. E. Puthoff,, “Everything for Nothing,” New. Sci. vol. 127 (28 July 1990): p. 52. 2 H. E. Puthoff,, “Ground State of Hydrogen as a Zero-Point- Fluctuation-Determined State,” Phys. Rev. D vol. 35 (1987): p. 3266. 3 D. C. Cole and H. E. Puthoff,, “Extracting Energy and Heat from the Vacuum,” Phys. Rev. E vol. 48 (1993): p. 1562. 4 H. E. Puthoff, “The Energetic Vacuum: Implications for Energy Research,” Spec. in Sci. and Tech. vol. 13 (1990): p. 247. 5 Timothy Boyer, “The Classical Vacuum,” Scientific American August 1985: p. 70. 6 Walter Greiner and Joseph Hamilton, “Is the Vacuum Really Empty?,” American Scientist March-April 1980: p. 154. Hal Puthoff's papers (and other EarthTech staff's) can be found at: http://www.earthtech.org/ specifically at: http://www.earthtech.org/index.php/publications Hal was a member of this list at one time, as was Scott Little. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Energy Catalyzer Wiki : FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH!
I think that wiki article should be frozen for a while. There should be just basic information about the claim with _few_ *relevant* sources and only _public_ tests in January and October should be discussed. I think that three paragraph well written text should be enough. I do not see the urge to try to give CPR to ecat wiki page, because obviously Rossi has refused to give any concrete and open information. It is hard to write anything objective from the subject matter, because almost all my knowlege on ecat is based on my original research, and assessing credibility of sources and _rumors_ using my intuition. Obviously it is also ludicrous to demand deletion of the page because there are more than hundred mass media reports with millions of readers in total (Forbes alone has ca. 200k page views). Even my Finnish blog articles on ecat have more than 4000 unique visits and more than 200 facebook shares. —Jouni
Re: [Vo]:Energy Catalyzer Wiki : FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH! FLAT EARTH!
I've look a gain, and I'm still suspect about using ZPE, because ZPE is only an energy that you cannot use to go below... by definition. note that about the law I talk about, GR, QP, TD1/2, I'm just very very suspect about theory that assume a violation of that laws... I know that in some conditions, those laws seems broken (often in fact no, but they seems to if you are narrow minded), but those conditions are not common (typically Planck scale or cosmologic). moreover those law breaking, are totally in continuity with usual respect of the laws. law are asymptotically respected. that is the way QP and GR are working perfectly, yet are incompatible at the corner of their respective validity domain. about TD1 and 2, they look consequences of other basic laws (TD1 seems linked to QP) TD2 seems surprisingly respected (even for black hole). maybe it is linked to the structure of causality. I've seems so many proposed theries that proposed breaking of laws, with strong hope of the community, that got refuted (eg: non Newtonian gravity)... for me the domains of those law is the one I should apply the moto : (forgot the translation) considerable proposal, considerable proof. but as I say, cold fusion is not breaking any law. however, hot fusion is a quite well known process, and hot fusion ( ITER and inertial confinement) effort are just awfully complex RD process... I'm afraid that thoses days because politic and business looks for results, the research have became simple RD, and maybe a little consulting (as dilbert say, the job to find reasons to justify the boss desire).. 2011/12/3 Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com What did you mean when you wrote by definition, you can't use zero-point energy? From http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html :
