Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... 1MW Honeycat

2012-09-02 Thread Alan Fletcher
He seems to be calling the new 1MW configuration the honeycat -- which I take to be a merger of honeycomb and ecat Andrea Rossi September 2nd, 2012 at 12:42 PM Dear Italo R. I am not kidding: in these days ( also today, even if it is Sunday) we are working on the hot cat, and we are arriving

Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?

2012-09-01 Thread James Bowery
Again, I call upon you who _do_ know what the reaction is to put forth the experiment that will demonstrate it is what they say it is and thereby discount the others who know what the reaction is. You know -- multiple competing hypotheses -- strong inference and all that. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at

Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?

2012-09-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I call upon you who _do_ know what the reaction is to put forth the experiment that will demonstrate it is what they say it is and thereby discount the others who know what the reaction is. Amen. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?

2012-08-31 Thread Alan J Fletcher
More tea-leaf reading : problems with the domestic certification ? Andrea Rossi August 31st, 2012 at 9:34 AM Dear Koen Vandewalle: We have all the resources necessary for a development of our technology, based on our businessplant. I do not think we will have delays as for the industrial

Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel Rocha
A cold fusion nuclear reactor that that puts out as much energy and density as a common nuclear reactor cannot possibly be dangerous. 2012/8/31 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com More tea-leaf reading : problems with the domestic certification ? Andrea Rossi August 31st, 2012 at 9:34

Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?

2012-08-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
It is if you don't know what the reaction is! On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: A cold fusion nuclear reactor that that puts out as much energy and density as a common nuclear reactor cannot possibly be dangerous. 2012/8/31 Alan J Fletcher

Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?

2012-08-31 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzLobQxY6gg On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: A cold fusion nuclear reactor that that puts out as much energy and density as a common nuclear reactor cannot possibly be dangerous. 2012/8/31 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com

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2012-08-30 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... This is incredible power density. Seems unbelievable how you can pack 1MW output from these dimensions. If true, this is more revolutionary than we thought. I did some rough calculations. With diameter of the cylinder at 1.2 m, the area is 1.13 m2. Assuming

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2012-08-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:50 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: “Would that be Russell's Teapot you're referring to?” Oh heavens no… It’s the Mad Hatter’s (aka, Richard Garwin) teapot, of course. ;-) T

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2012-08-30 Thread Terry Blanton
I find it extremely difficult to take anything AR says seriously. His research seems to be advancing too fast even if he does have assistance from the NRL, which I doubt would be taking place in a warehouse in Italy. Just my opinion. I could be wrong. T

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2012-08-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
Terry, His progress seems fast to you because he has figured how to warp time with his not yet disclosed T-cat device. To him he has been working on it for 50 years . That is approx 25:1 time dilation... If you watch his hair grow closely you can tell. :) On Thursday, August 30, 2012, Terry

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2012-08-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
It does not look so fast if you assume that he work with a corporate team managed by professional (ie, not him). Moreover the result are good but not so huge, since the reactor seems still slow to start, and activated simply by heat. COP limitation, if real, seems simply related to simple control

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2012-08-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: It does not look so fast if you assume that he work with a corporate team managed by professional (ie, not him). I would sooner believe that Rossi's device produces 1 MW and it is a time machine. Rossi will never work with any team, managed by anyone,

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2012-08-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
To bet in what sense? That he has a work able device or that he has anything at all? 2012/8/30 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com as I said before, you would have to be even crazier to bet against Rossi. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

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2012-08-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: To bet in what sense? That he has a work able device or that he has anything at all? Everything that Rossi does says is in a state of Quantum Indeterminacy. The act of betting may tilt events one way or the other. It is best not to go there. - Jed

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2012-08-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
Of course I agree with Jed. This is the same plague that effects all of these devices. Uncertainty? Instability? Unreliability? Collapsed matter? Life imitating science? I also worry about health effects unless properly shielded and isolated. Stewart http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 On Thu, Aug 30,

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2012-08-30 Thread Michele Comitini
2012/8/30 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: To bet in what sense? That he has a work able device or that he has anything at all? Everything that Rossi does says is in a state of Quantum Indeterminacy. The act of betting may tilt events one way

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2012-08-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
Only I think in the case of these devices the cat can also jump thru the box or consume the box if he/she is large and hungry enough... On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/8/30 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Daniel Rocha

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2012-08-30 Thread Teslaalset
The probable reason for Rossi to give feedback on his status is getting technical suggestions that his small team of developers is not able to generate on such a short time frame. And he's getting a lot of free usefull feedback at his blog. We simply don't know the qualifications of his staff

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2012-08-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Of course I agree with Jed. This is the same plague that effects all of these devices. Well, not the small scale cold fusion devices at places like SRI, thank goodness. They are established beyond any rational doubt. If I may be a little more serious

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2012-08-30 Thread David Roberson
vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 2:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... OK, correcting this. I think I am mixing up MW electric and MW thermal. A like sized region of a commercial fission core is producing about three times this much thermal output, ~3MW. Plants of that generation

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2012-08-30 Thread David Roberson
Actually, I hope you are wrong. We need these systems ASAP. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 7:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... I find it extremely difficult to take anything AR says

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2012-08-30 Thread Peter Gluck
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 7:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... I find it extremely difficult to take anything AR says seriously. His research seems to be advancing too fast even if he does have assistance from the NRL, which I doubt would be taking

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2012-08-30 Thread David Roberson
future. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 7:54 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Terry, His progress seems fast to you because he has figured how to warp time with his not yet disclosed T-cat

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2012-08-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree, I think Rossi has come upon anomalous heat/energy like many others including SRI, DGT, etc. You are right, the smaller the scale, the more the reliability/less uncertainty. Nature keeps atoms, electrons and protons small because by themselves, they are uncertain. Orbits due to

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2012-08-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
Hmm, a) sounds very realistic 2012/8/30 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com If Rossi says he is shocked this could mean more things: a) he is not shocked but knows that some shocks are good in a story, b) be he is not shocked but wants the reader be shocked; c) he is sincerely shocked

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2012-08-30 Thread mixent
In reply to Akira Shirakawa's message of Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:32:07 +0200: Hi, One drawback I foresee is that by packing them all together in a small container, he is making it difficult to replace an individual unit on the fly. IOW it may be difficult to extract a single defective unit while

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2012-08-30 Thread Axil Axil
- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 7:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... I find it extremely difficult to take anything AR says seriously. His research seems to be advancing too fast even if he does have assistance from

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2012-08-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
Or it might be that after 3 years he does not yet have a stable reactor, like DGT, Rohners, Terrawatt, etc. these things might last for a short period of time for a demo but then break down in short order. They run just long enough to show a patent officer or inspector or investor... On

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2012-08-30 Thread fznidarsic
Item E Independent test showed no anomalous energy. -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 7:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... I like D here; He has 83 people working for him in his company. Delegating

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2012-08-29 Thread Jojo Jaro
This is incredible power density. Seems unbelievable how you can pack 1MW output from these dimensions. If true, this is more revolutionary than we thought. I did some rough calculations. With diameter of the cylinder at 1.2 m, the area is 1.13 m2. Assuming that the coolant pipes take up

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2012-08-29 Thread Mint Candy
Rossi adopts Chan last year: AnonymousDecember 18, 2011 12:42 PM http://opensourcenuclearfuel.blogspot.com/2011/11/possible-activator-for-gas-loaded-lenr.html?showComment=1324240950625#c4302940741857909284 Used LiH from

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2012-08-29 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-30 00:31, Jojo Jaro wrote: I did some rough calculations. With diameter of the cylinder at 1.2 m, the area is 1.13 m2. Assuming that the coolant pipes take up about 50% if this area, and fitting remaining area with 100 reactors. Each reactor would have a diameter of 4.2 cm. Each

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2012-08-29 Thread Jojo Jaro
I talking about the area of the openning, not the area of the circumference of the cylinder. Jojo - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Jojo, I get 3.77 square meters

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2012-08-29 Thread David Roberson
I see now what you are saying. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... I talking about the area of the openning, not the area of the circumference of the cylinder

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2012-08-29 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... I talking about the area of the openning, not the area of the circumference of the cylinder. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2012

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2012-08-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: It is going to be revealed soon the e-cat is a time machine too. And antigravity. T

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2012-08-29 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: It is going to be revealed soon the e-cat is a time machine too. And antigravity. T and sausage maker. harry

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2012-08-29 Thread Terry Blanton
And tea kettle. T

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2012-08-29 Thread David Roberson
Terry, do I detect a bit of sarcasm? Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... And tea kettle. T

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2012-08-29 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Would that be Russell's Teapot you're referring to? ;-) On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: And tea kettle. T

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2012-08-29 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Would that be Russell's Teapot you're referring to? Oh heavens no. It's the Mad Hatter's (aka, Richard Garwin) teapot, of course. From: Jeff Berkowitz [mailto:pdx...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Would

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2012-08-29 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... This is incredible power density. Seems unbelievable how you can pack 1MW output from these dimensions. If true, this is more revolutionary than we thought. I did some rough calculations. With diameter