Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-06 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-09-01 17:27, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Roy Virgilio (a close source to the Piantelli group who often posted reliable news on their ongoing work) wrote a post today in the italian Energeticambient forum that might interest Rossi followers as well. I will translate it below: Today, in the

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-06 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-09-06 10:35, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Today, in the same forum thread, Roy Virgilio added that Rossi's tests with NASA should start tomorrow (September 7th) and last three days. It looks like I forgot to check before sending the email to the group. There's an error on my part. What Roy

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:35 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Note that this enabled Rossi to write on his blog that rumors of tests being performed by NASA *right now* are not true - which is technically correct, if they are yet to start. But, Akira, for a man who has been

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-06 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-09-06 13:45, Terry Blanton wrote: But, Akira, for a man who has been as loquacious about his pets as Red, why would he mislead anyone about this test with NASA? He is such a difficult one to fathom. My impression is that as of late he's become quite secretive about organizations or

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-02 Thread Joe Catania
10kW sounds very low, are you in the South? - Original Message - From: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline Am 01.09.2011 23:12, schrieb Peter Heckert

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Enzo September 2nd, 2011 at 12:51 AM Dear Dr. Rossi, good luck for tomorrow Andrea Rossi September 2nd, 2011 at 3:10 AM Dear Enzo: I always am delighted of good luck wishes, but…what happens tomorrow of special? Warm Regards, A.R.

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 01.09.2011 17:27, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: Roy Virgilio (a close source to the Piantelli group who often posted reliable news on their ongoing work) wrote a post today in the italian Energeticambient forum that might interest Rossi followers as well. I will translate it below: It seems

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Harry Veeder
, cominciano dopodomani, il 3 settembre”. Harry - Original Message - From: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:23:16 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline Am 01.09.2011 17:27, schrieb Akira

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-09-01 18:06, Joe Catania wrote: I think that should be Aug. 22 No, it's really September 22nd. By the way, in that very same thread, a well-informed and reliable user (who has got contacts from CNR [1] and INFN [2]) added some more information that has been also partially confirmed

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Terry Blanton
Do we know which lab is performing the tests? I have contacts at some. T

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Daniel Rocha
Probably Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3705report3.shtml#nasa

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 01.09.2011 19:12, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: - Although Rossi initially complained about it, he agreed to perform tests without phase changes (no steam) I dont understand this. The devices where tested all the times with steam successfully. So they should be tested with steam, but the steam

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Terry Blanton
That would be excellent! T On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Probably Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3705report3.shtml#nasa

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-09-01 20:11, Peter Heckert wrote: I dont understand this. The devices where tested all the times with steam successfully. [...] I guess they want to remove completely any possible source of error or ambiguity which steam brings, in a way or another, if the source reporting this

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 01.09.2011 20:20, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: On 2011-09-01 20:11, Peter Heckert wrote: I dont understand this. The devices where tested all the times with steam successfully. [...] I guess they want to remove completely any possible source of error or ambiguity which steam brings, in a way

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert wrote: - Although Rossi initially complained about it, he agreed to perform tests without phase changes (no steam) I dont understand this. The devices where tested all the times with steam successfully. So they should be tested with steam . . . Many people prefer to avoid the

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 1-9-2011 20:20, Akira Shirakawa wrote: I guess they want to remove completely any possible source of error or ambiguity which steam brings, in a way or another, if the source reporting this information is to be trusted (it should. At the very least, Daniele Passerini confirmed that

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Peter Gluck
I think it is fine that eventually an influential and powerful organization asks Rossi to perform Perfect Experiments. And I also hope he will be obliged to test individual E-cats instead of that monstruous combination of 330 E-cats. With such an impossible set-up everything is possible. Peter On

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 01.09.2011 20:53, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: - Although Rossi initially complained about it, he agreed to perform tests without phase changes (no steam) I dont understand this. The devices where tested all the times with steam successfully. So they should be tested with

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: And I also hope he will be obliged to test individual E-cats instead of that monstruous combination of 330 E-cats. With such an impossible set-up everything is possible. I believe NASA is testing smaller units. The 1 MW gadget is not ready. Akira

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-09-01 21:04, Man on Bridges wrote: Hmmm, this was possibly the plan after all, seen the fact that it is confirmed by Daniele Passerini who is a very close contact to Andrea Rossi e.o. and besides it fits perfectly in the two month time-span until the public demonstration/test end of

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Enzo
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-09-01 18:06, Joe Catania wrote: I think that should be Aug. 22 No, it's really September 22nd. By the way, in that very same thread, a well-informed and reliable user (who has got contacts from CNR [1]

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 01.09.2011 21:13, schrieb Peter Heckert: That is a good rule of thumb. However, as I said these devices have been tested with liquid phase only. Rossi prefers steam because it is easier, more convenient, Yes, Rossi can look inside, but we cannot, so we cannot accept it. Even if the pope

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 1-9-2011 21:23, Enzo wrote: This post of Armando de Para on energeticambiente in forum giving the date of September 3rd at nasa has been deleted. Anyway it appeared to me a well informed person. Maybe he was asked to delete it. Passerini didn't really confirmed, he said that he had some

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert wrote: Yes, Rossi can look inside, but we cannot, so we cannot accept it. Even if the pope himself swears it on the holy bible I would not finally believe this before I have seen it myself. Do you mean: 1. Until you see an actual machine in operation? Or 2. Until you have

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 01.09.2011 22:45, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: Yes, Rossi can look inside, but we cannot, so we cannot accept it. Even if the pope himself swears it on the holy bible I would not finally believe this before I have seen it myself. Do you mean: 1. Until you see an actual

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: If they use a transparent measuring method like massflow calorimetry that excludes any possible error, then I believe it. You mean liquid state mass flow calorimetry, with no phase change. Not steam or ice calorimetry. That is a reasonable demand.