Re: [Vo]:multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor
The website has been down for some time now. It keeps returning the message: Bandwidth Exceeded ... try again later. It sounds like a pretty sophisticated theory that only a few can properly assess. Does it make any testable predictions? Or does it provide any insights into the CF/LENR results reported so far? multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor The situation with the new energy source [1] developed by the Italian physicists mainly is similar to the situation with HTSP (high temperature superconductors): there is the effect, but there are no phenomenon physical mechanism explanation and adequate theory. A. Rossis reactor theory suggested is based on the developed electron-quark analogy method and multielectron theory [2, 3]. The method difference is availability of a color charge in electrons analogous to the color charge of quarks in quantum chromodynamics (QCD) http://www.snapdrive.net/files/658133/Reaktor_Rossi.pdf
Re: [Vo]:multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor
Here is an alternate site for download: http://ecatplanet.net/downloads/pdf/Reaktor_Rossi.pdf - Brad On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: The website has been down for some time now. It keeps returning the message: Bandwidth Exceeded ... try again later. It sounds like a pretty sophisticated theory that only a few can properly assess. Does it make any testable predictions? Or does it provide any insights into the CF/LENR results reported so far?
Re: [Vo]:multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor
Thanks, Brad That link works. However, the theory rests on QCD (quantum chromodynamics) which I do not understand. For those trained in QCD, it might be worth google-translating the more detailed Russian web page: http://viktor19451.narod.ru/ Aside from the diagrams, the translation looks pretty good. Here is an alternate site for download: http://ecatplanet.net/downloads/pdf/Reaktor_Rossi.pdf - Brad On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: The website has been down for some time now. It keeps returning the message: Bandwidth Exceeded ... try again later. It sounds like a pretty sophisticated theory that only a few can properly assess. Does it make any testable predictions? Or does it provide any insights into the CF/LENR results reported so far?
RE: [Vo]:multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor
Thanks for posting this - and it is intriguing in one way but flawed in another - certainly in the suggested binding energy. If it were true, the nickel active material would be completely unmeltable, for one thing. There is no basis for going to that extreme. The most obvious flaw in this theory goes back to the vagaries of the QM species called a multiparticle, which is theorized as an variety of entangled species but otherwise is imaginary. Of course, the neutrino was also imaginary at one early stage. OTOH, the part about entanglement is possibly the best feature, in explaining E-Cat/Hyperion - because the sudden loss of entanglement is the elegant way to explain the huge problem of periodic quiescence. And the appearance of entanglement explains how the strong force can be used for gain without fusion or fission. And the re-emergence of entanglement explains why the reactor can be started up again easily but with a time delay. In Rossis reactor, these Russian theorists say the multiparticle is created by the color interaction of molecular hydrogen H2 electrons and Ni crystal lattice atoms valence electrons. This kind of sounds like spintronics/excitonics - and it should. The more you think about it, the more sense it makes. But there are two big problems before moving forward - first, multiparticles have not been documented as real AFAIK - and second, certainly not detected with anything close to this binding energy (~300 keV). They need to get realistic on the binding energy. Spintronics/excitonic potential energy is far less. Of course, the proof could be E-cat/Hyperion and even Thermacore. We have talked about entanglement before - and this is the second best way to realize how it would work in practice. The best way is still to suggest that the nickel is responsible for spillover and surface pitting provides the rigidity. Proton entanglement of dense surface hydrogen (2D) makes sense as it is already bound in 5 or 6 atoms, according to Holmlid, and certain kinds of surface crystals makes sense too - especially since one particular paper can explain the earlier Thermacore work with Potassium catalyst. See Macroscopic quantum entanglement and super-rigidity of protons in the KHCO3 crystal Abstract here: http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-8984/18/12/006 If we find out that either Rossi or DGT did copy Thermacore's use of potassium carbonate as the so called secret then the entanglement hypothesis will vault ahead of all the others as the most likely explanation. Please post the news - if anyone finds reference or evidence to potassium carbonate in either of these newer devices. It will definitely be the smoking gun. BTW hydrogen potassium carbonate is expected from the dehydrogenated molecule, in the presence of spillover, and the initial entanglement could be a nano-magnetic phenomenon of the adjoining nickel. -Original Message- From: ecat builder Here is an alternate site for download: http://ecatplanet.net/downloads/pdf/Reaktor_Rossi.pdf - Brad On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: The website has been down for some time now. It keeps returning the message: Bandwidth Exceeded ... try again later. It sounds like a pretty sophisticated theory that only a few can properly assess. Does it make any testable predictions? Or does it provide any insights into the CF/LENR results reported so far?
RE: [Vo]:multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor
Jones, You should have posted the free version of that paper at URL: http://www.ladir.cnrs.fr/pages/fillaux/152_JPCM_2006_3229.pdf Also related may be the paper: Proton transfer across hydrogen bonds: From reaction path to Schrödingers cat* http://media.iupac.org/publications/pac/2007/pdf/7906x1023.pdf and other citing papers at: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=enlr=cites=14755060705510149149um=1ie=UTF-8ei=QTwWT4uZMq3KiAKR1YTGDwsa=Xoi=science_linksct=sl-citedbyresnum=2ved=0CCkQzgIwAQ This is very interesting but also very difficult reading - even apart from CF/LENR connections. I have not really seen related material before. Hopefully, some more elementary introductory papers are available. If I find any, I will post pointers to them. Do you know of any? Regards, Lou Pagnucco Thanks for posting this - and it is intriguing in one way but flawed in another - certainly in the suggested binding energy. If it were true, the nickel active material would be completely unmeltable, for one thing. There is no basis for going to that extreme. The most obvious flaw in this theory goes back to the vagaries of the QM species called a multiparticle, which is theorized as an variety of entangled species but otherwise is imaginary. Of course, the neutrino was also imaginary at one early stage. OTOH, the part about entanglement is possibly the best feature, in explaining E-Cat/Hyperion - because the sudden loss of entanglement is the elegant way to explain the huge problem of periodic quiescence. And the appearance of entanglement explains how the strong force can be used for gain without fusion or fission. And the re-emergence of entanglement explains why the reactor can be started up again easily but with a time delay. In Rossis reactor, these Russian theorists say the multiparticle is created by the color interaction of molecular hydrogen H2 electrons and Ni crystal lattice atoms valence electrons. This kind of sounds like spintronics/excitonics - and it should. The more you think about it, the more sense it makes. But there are two big problems before moving forward - first, multiparticles have not been documented as real AFAIK - and second, certainly not detected with anything close to this binding energy (~300 keV). They need to get realistic on the binding energy. Spintronics/excitonic potential energy is far less. Of course, the proof could be E-cat/Hyperion and even Thermacore. We have talked about entanglement before - and this is the second best way to realize how it would work in practice. The best way is still to suggest that the nickel is responsible for spillover and surface pitting provides the rigidity. Proton entanglement of dense surface hydrogen (2D) makes sense as it is already bound in 5 or 6 atoms, according to Holmlid, and certain kinds of surface crystals makes sense too - especially since one particular paper can explain the earlier Thermacore work with Potassium catalyst. See Macroscopic quantum entanglement and super-rigidity of protons in the KHCO3 crystal Abstract here: http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-8984/18/12/006 If we find out that either Rossi or DGT did copy Thermacore's use of potassium carbonate as the so called secret then the entanglement hypothesis will vault ahead of all the others as the most likely explanation. Please post the news - if anyone finds reference or evidence to potassium carbonate in either of these newer devices. It will definitely be the smoking gun. BTW hydrogen potassium carbonate is expected from the dehydrogenated molecule, in the presence of spillover, and the initial entanglement could be a nano-magnetic phenomenon of the adjoining nickel. -Original Message- From: ecat builder Here is an alternate site for download: http://ecatplanet.net/downloads/pdf/Reaktor_Rossi.pdf - Brad On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: The website has been down for some time now. It keeps returning the message: Bandwidth Exceeded ... try again later. It sounds like a pretty sophisticated theory that only a few can properly assess. Does it make any testable predictions? Or does it provide any insights into the CF/LENR results reported so far?
