Re: [Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling
I posted it in the Wiki. Maybe someone will try it. Suggestion #16: http://emdrive.wiki/List_of_Suggested_Experiments On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > It might have some unexpected results – if the EM drive is based on the > same segregation of vacuum density AND I don’t know that it is or not, > there is also the question of where the segregation occurs for hydrogen to > be affected and whether it would mostly cancel out wrt thrust as there is > likely to be as much hydrogen in a depleted zones as there is in a > corresponding concentrated zones set up by the standing waves – maybe the > Trapzoid dimensions would have a similar accumulating effect at the macro > scale but my curiosity would be directed at inertia! Testing the macro > device for difference in inertia when the unit is on vs off [assuming a > battery powered microwave source attached to exterior], I keep going back > to an old myth about pyramid blocks being elevated and then scooted the > length of a bow shot after being struck by a sacred rod. Could the calcium > based cavities contained ambient gases and materials that behaved like the > low powered light in this new paper? And what happens to the inertia of a > macro object when it contains significant numbers of gas atoms in this > relativistic – condensate form? A wild theory would be that the individual > inertia states oppose each other and resist any change in > acceleration……like gravity :_) > > > > *From:* Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:44 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum > coupling > > > > Hmmm. I wonder if filling the EMdrive with hydrogen would affect the > thrust? > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone > > >
RE: [Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling
It might have some unexpected results – if the EM drive is based on the same segregation of vacuum density AND I don’t know that it is or not, there is also the question of where the segregation occurs for hydrogen to be affected and whether it would mostly cancel out wrt thrust as there is likely to be as much hydrogen in a depleted zones as there is in a corresponding concentrated zones set up by the standing waves – maybe the Trapzoid dimensions would have a similar accumulating effect at the macro scale but my curiosity would be directed at inertia! Testing the macro device for difference in inertia when the unit is on vs off [assuming a battery powered microwave source attached to exterior], I keep going back to an old myth about pyramid blocks being elevated and then scooted the length of a bow shot after being struck by a sacred rod. Could the calcium based cavities contained ambient gases and materials that behaved like the low powered light in this new paper? And what happens to the inertia of a macro object when it contains significant numbers of gas atoms in this relativistic – condensate form? A wild theory would be that the individual inertia states oppose each other and resist any change in acceleration……like gravity :_) From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:44 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling Hmmm. I wonder if filling the EMdrive with hydrogen would affect the thrust? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling
Axil, I agree [snip] By looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a researcher could find the ideal dimensions of the Nano cavity that produces the condensed hydrogen and engineer a material that produces this ultra-dense hydrogen crystal in abundance.[/snip] I also think we should emulate their low power stimulation [snip] Qi Zhang, a former graduate student in Kono's group and lead author of the paper, designed and constructed an extremely high-quality cavity to contain an ultrathin layer of gallium arsenide, a material they've used to study superfluorescence. By tuning the material with a magnetic field to resonate with a certain state of light in the cavity,[/snip] it becomes the light source, provides 2d restriction and DCE as the germanium forms a push pull boundary between either side of the cavity – one side of the ultra thin layer gets closer to the top of the cavity while the opposite side gets further away from the bottom. … just add water :_) or in this case hydrogen? Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:21 AM To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling Spelling of last post corrected as follows: If hydrogen is packed into a Nano cavity of the ideal size a strong coupling state might be achieved between the protons in the hydrogen and the light. In this way a state of superconductive coherence of protons might be formed. This state of superconductivity has been detected by Holmlid and Miley in iron oxide. The high temperature proton BEC might produce a super-dense state of hydrogen the Jones likes so much where the electrons and protons are delocalized from each other. What actually comprises the protons is vacuum energy because the cavity squeezes the light/matter condensate greatly. By looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a researcher could find the ideal dimensions of the Nano cavity that produces the condensed hydrogen and engineer a material that produces this ultra-dense hydrogen crystal in abundance. What really compresses hydrogen to the ultra-dense metalized state is not high pressure, but the ideal combination of cavity shape/size, light frequency, and EMF environment and vacuum energy. On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote: If hydrogen is packed into a nanocavity of the ideal size a storm couponing state might be achieved between the protons in the hydrogen and the light. In this way a state of superconductive coherence of protons might be formed. This state of superconductivity has be detected by Holmlid and Miley. The high temperature proton BEC might produce a superdense state of hydrogen the Jones likes so much where the electrons and protons are delocalized from each other. What actually comprises the protons is vacuum energy because the cavity squeezes the light/matter condinsate greatly. By looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a researcher could find the ideal dimensions of the nanocavity that produces the condensed hydrogen and engineer a material that produces this hydrogen crystal in abundance. What really compresses hydrogen to the ultra-dense metabolized state is not high pressure, but the ideal combination of cavity shape/size, light frequency, and EMF environment. On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote: What caught my eye was that this can change the ground state, initiate phase changes, fueled by polaritons in a confined cavity… all the ingredients we hear mentioned by Jones and axil, but…. done with low power [snip] Kono said the amount of terahertz light put into the cavity is very weak. "What we depend on is the vacuum fluctuation. Vacuum, in a classical sense, is an empty space. There's nothing. But in a quantum sense, a vacuum is full of fluctuating photons, having so-called zero-point energy. These vacuum photons are actually what we are using to resonantly excite electrons in our cavity.[/snip] ]Fran From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com<mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com>] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm “"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics (QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that matter in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is unique about solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts with this huge number of electrons, which behave like a single gig
[Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling
Hmmm. I wonder if filling the EMdrive with hydrogen would affect the thrust? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling
Yes, thanks Mark, that is what I was trying to say. Like Casimir cavities they change the vacuum density such that space time between the boundaries is modified and IMHO the lower ground states they speak of are actually relativistic in nature but in a negative way , the world outside the cavity appears to slow down to a nano observe inside the cavity while the nano observer remains unaware that the longer vacuum wavelengths in his cavity have rotated on the temporal axis to fit between the cavity boundaries. Someday I hope someone derives the relationship between the Casimir formula and Lorentzian time dilation. As for this article I think it may help us improving the NAE but once we introduce hydrogen to the environment it gets complicated – maybe our reactors should be larger and lower power density to best exploit these NAE without damage? Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:46 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling Interesting find Fran! The idea that a very small force applied resonantly producing effects which ‘normally’ require a much stronger force is nothing new, and I’ve certainly brought up a number of articles over the years on this matter… http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg83767.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg67390.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg73037.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg104970.html ***What may be novel is that, in Fran’s reference, it’s the vacuum fluctuations which are the minute forces acting in resonance… Does this represent the link or method to extract energy from the vacuum? Does it at least represent the physical possibility rather than a theoretical one? -mark iverson From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 6:18 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling What caught my eye was that this can change the ground state, initiate phase changes, fueled by polaritons in a confined cavity… all the ingredients we hear mentioned by Jones and axil, but…. done with low power [snip] Kono said the amount of terahertz light put into the cavity is very weak. "What we depend on is the vacuum fluctuation. Vacuum, in a classical sense, is an empty space. There's nothing. But in a quantum sense, a vacuum is full of fluctuating photons, having so-called zero-point energy. These vacuum photons are actually what we are using to resonantly excite electrons in our cavity.[/snip] ]Fran From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm “"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics (QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that matter in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is unique about solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts with this huge number of electrons, which behave like a single gigantic atom."” Light and matter are essentially manifestations of the same energetic motions (of whatever): so it's not surprising that, with the proper geometries and harmonics, they can be effortlessly made to manifest each other 'symbiotically', on-demand, in a lab. Sooner or later Humans were going to find out how. But who beat us to it..!? :P
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling
Interesting find Fran! The idea that a very small force applied resonantly producing effects which ‘normally’ require a much stronger force is nothing new, and I’ve certainly brought up a number of articles over the years on this matter… http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg83767.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg67390.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg73037.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg104970.html ***What may be novel is that, in Fran’s reference, it’s the vacuum fluctuations which are the minute forces acting in resonance… Does this represent the link or method to extract energy from the vacuum? Does it at least represent the physical possibility rather than a theoretical one? -mark iverson From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 6:18 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling What caught my eye was that this can change the ground state, initiate phase changes, fueled by polaritons in a confined cavity… all the ingredients we hear mentioned by Jones and axil, but…. done with low power [snip] Kono said the amount of terahertz light put into the cavity is very weak. "What we depend on is the vacuum fluctuation. Vacuum, in a classical sense, is an empty space. There's nothing. But in a quantum sense, a vacuum is full of fluctuating photons, having so-called zero-point energy. These vacuum photons are actually what we are using to resonantly excite electrons in our cavity.[/snip] ]Fran From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm “"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics (QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that matter in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is unique about solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts with this huge number of electrons, which behave like a single gigantic atom."” Light and matter are essentially manifestations of the same energetic motions (of whatever): so it's not surprising that, with the proper geometries and harmonics, they can be effortlessly made to manifest each other 'symbiotically', on-demand, in a lab. Sooner or later Humans were going to find out how. But who beat us to it..!? :P
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling
Spelling of last post corrected as follows: If hydrogen is packed into a Nano cavity of the ideal size a strong coupling state might be achieved between the protons in the hydrogen and the light. In this way a state of superconductive coherence of protons might be formed. This state of superconductivity has been detected by Holmlid and Miley in iron oxide. The high temperature proton BEC might produce a super-dense state of hydrogen the Jones likes so much where the electrons and protons are delocalized from each other. What actually comprises the protons is vacuum energy because the cavity squeezes the light/matter condensate greatly. By looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a researcher could find the ideal dimensions of the Nano cavity that produces the condensed hydrogen and engineer a material that produces this ultra-dense hydrogen crystal in abundance. What really compresses hydrogen to the ultra-dense metalized state is not high pressure, but the ideal combination of cavity shape/size, light frequency, and EMF environment and vacuum energy. On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > If hydrogen is packed into a nanocavity of the ideal size a storm > couponing state might be achieved between the protons in the hydrogen and > the light. In this way a state of superconductive coherence of protons > might be formed. > > This state of superconductivity has be detected by Holmlid and Miley. The > high temperature proton BEC might produce a superdense state of hydrogen > the Jones likes so much where the electrons and protons are delocalized > from each other. What actually comprises the protons is vacuum energy > because the cavity squeezes the light/matter condinsate greatly. > > By looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a researcher could find the > ideal dimensions of the nanocavity that produces the condensed hydrogen and > engineer a material that produces this hydrogen crystal in abundance. > > What really compresses hydrogen to the ultra-dense metabolized state is > not high pressure, but the ideal combination of cavity shape/size, light > frequency, and EMF environment. > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Roarty, Francis X < > francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > >> What caught my eye was that this can change the ground state, initiate >> phase changes, fueled by polaritons in a confined cavity… all the >> ingredients we hear mentioned by Jones and axil, but…. done with low >> power [snip] Kono said the amount of terahertz light put into the cavity >> is very weak. "What we depend on is the vacuum fluctuation. Vacuum, in a >> classical sense, is an empty space. There's nothing. But in a quantum >> sense, a vacuum is full of fluctuating photons, having so-called zero-point >> energy. These vacuum photons are actually what we are using to resonantly >> excite electrons in our cavity.[/snip] >> >> >> >> ]Fran >> >> >> >> *From:* Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2016 8:55 PM >> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X < >> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: >> >> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm >> >> >> >> “"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics >> (QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that >> matter in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is >> unique about solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts >> with this huge number of electrons, which behave like a single gigantic >> atom."” >> >> >> >> Light and matter are essentially manifestations of the same energetic >> motions (of whatever): so it's not surprising that, with the proper >> geometries and harmonics, they can be effortlessly made to manifest each >> other 'symbiotically', on-demand, in a lab. Sooner or later Humans were >> going to find out how. >> >> >> >> But who beat us to it..!? >> >> :P >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling
If hydrogen is packed into a nanocavity of the ideal size a storm couponing state might be achieved between the protons in the hydrogen and the light. In this way a state of superconductive coherence of protons might be formed. This state of superconductivity has be detected by Holmlid and Miley. The high temperature proton BEC might produce a superdense state of hydrogen the Jones likes so much where the electrons and protons are delocalized from each other. What actually comprises the protons is vacuum energy because the cavity squeezes the light/matter condinsate greatly. By looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a researcher could find the ideal dimensions of the nanocavity that produces the condensed hydrogen and engineer a material that produces this hydrogen crystal in abundance. What really compresses hydrogen to the ultra-dense metabolized state is not high pressure, but the ideal combination of cavity shape/size, light frequency, and EMF environment. On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > What caught my eye was that this can change the ground state, initiate > phase changes, fueled by polaritons in a confined cavity… all the > ingredients we hear mentioned by Jones and axil, but…. done with low > power [snip] Kono said the amount of terahertz light put into the cavity > is very weak. "What we depend on is the vacuum fluctuation. Vacuum, in a > classical sense, is an empty space. There's nothing. But in a quantum > sense, a vacuum is full of fluctuating photons, having so-called zero-point > energy. These vacuum photons are actually what we are using to resonantly > excite electrons in our cavity.[/snip] > > > > ]Fran > > > > *From:* Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2016 8:55 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X < > francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm > > > > “"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics > (QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that > matter in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is > unique about solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts > with this huge number of electrons, which behave like a single gigantic > atom."” > > > > Light and matter are essentially manifestations of the same energetic > motions (of whatever): so it's not surprising that, with the proper > geometries and harmonics, they can be effortlessly made to manifest each > other 'symbiotically', on-demand, in a lab. Sooner or later Humans were > going to find out how. > > > > But who beat us to it..!? > > :P > > > > > > > > >
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling
What caught my eye was that this can change the ground state, initiate phase changes, fueled by polaritons in a confined cavity… all the ingredients we hear mentioned by Jones and axil, but…. done with low power [snip] Kono said the amount of terahertz light put into the cavity is very weak. "What we depend on is the vacuum fluctuation. Vacuum, in a classical sense, is an empty space. There's nothing. But in a quantum sense, a vacuum is full of fluctuating photons, having so-called zero-point energy. These vacuum photons are actually what we are using to resonantly excite electrons in our cavity.[/snip] ]Fran From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm “"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics (QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that matter in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is unique about solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts with this huge number of electrons, which behave like a single gigantic atom."” Light and matter are essentially manifestations of the same energetic motions (of whatever): so it's not surprising that, with the proper geometries and harmonics, they can be effortlessly made to manifest each other 'symbiotically', on-demand, in a lab. Sooner or later Humans were going to find out how. But who beat us to it..!? :P
