On Dec 11, 2011 10:03 PM, Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name wrote:
While the design and user interface of Wikipedia certainly has things
that could stand improvement, I generally like the fact that it's not
run by a billion dollar budget commercial outfit brimming with
meddlesome marketing
Our own internal discussions have long reflected on the unfriendliness and
undue bureaucracy of Wikipedia. Generally we're good at the trade-off but
if we start claiming with a straight face that it's benign rather than a
necessary evil we'll have lost something important.
While the complainant
On 11 December 2011 14:13, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote:
Our own internal discussions have long reflected on the unfriendliness and
undue bureaucracy of Wikipedia. Generally we're good at the trade-off but
if we start claiming with a straight face that it's benign rather than a
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:01:33 +, Charles Matthews wrote:
That said, I deprecate getting design issues mixed up with others. The
use of emotive terms such as cold and unfriendly implies things about
intention and fault that aren't exactly helpful. I don't know whether
arguing that WP is sui
Its also the case that even our complex systems are not easy to navigate and
that the wiki system can be very confusing for new users beyond just the
complexity of our bureaucracy. In the example that sparked this conversation,
the new editor struggled to understand the difference between
On 5 December 2011 22:08, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
snip
I can quite see why people do think Wikipedia Byzantine, which is the
basic message of what we are talking about. Probably trainee medics
On 12/04/11 1:10 PM, Will Beback wrote:
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Tony Sidawaytonysida...@gmail.com wrote:
http://daggle.com/closed-unfriendly-world-wikipedia-2853
Now whatever the merits of his case, this chap does have a point about
the unfriendliness of the environment. It isn't so
On 12/03/11 7:56 PM, Tony Sidaway wrote:
http://daggle.com/closed-unfriendly-world-wikipedia-2853
Now whatever the merits of his case, this chap does have a point about
the unfriendliness of the environment. It isn't so much that we've
gone out of our way to be unfriendly, but the tool we use
On 5 December 2011 09:52, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
On 12/04/11 1:10 PM, Will Beback wrote:
snip
I've noticed that a lot of critics of Wikipedia began by trying to
promote
some non-notable cause only to be rebuffed.
Do we get anywhere when we approach a problem with
I can quite see why people do think Wikipedia Byzantine, which is the
basic message of what we are talking about. Probably trainee medics curse
the immune system as unreasonably complicated. The metaphor doesn't seem
to
me either too defensive or too stretched. I think we should bear in
On 6/12/2011 4:02 a.m., Fred Bauder wrote:
I can quite see why people do think Wikipedia Byzantine, which is the
basic message of what we are talking about. Probably trainee medics curse
the immune system as unreasonably complicated. The metaphor doesn't seem
to
me either too defensive or
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
AfD can get it wrong: I suppose that is common ground. Notability as a
concept is broken, always has been, always will be (my view, not
necessarily the majority view given the status given to the GNG by
http://daggle.com/closed-unfriendly-world-wikipedia-2853
Now whatever the merits of his case, this chap does have a point about
the unfriendliness of the environment. It isn't so much that we've
gone out of our way to be unfriendly, but the tool we use to
interact--the wiki, in other
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote:
Now whatever the merits of his case, this chap does have a point about
the unfriendliness of the environment. It isn't so much that we've
gone out of our way to be unfriendly, but the tool we use to
interact--the wiki,
On 4 December 2011 03:56, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote:
http://daggle.com/closed-unfriendly-world-wikipedia-2853
Now whatever the merits of his case, this chap does have a point about
the unfriendliness of the environment.
Well covered in The Signpost, in fact. But I came away
On 4 December 2011 16:58, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On 4 December 2011 03:56, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote:
http://daggle.com/closed-unfriendly-world-wikipedia-2853
Now whatever the merits of his case, this chap does have a point about
the
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote:
http://daggle.com/closed-unfriendly-world-wikipedia-2853
Now whatever the merits of his case, this chap does have a point about
the unfriendliness of the environment. It isn't so much that we've
gone out of our way to
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote:
Now whatever the merits of his case, this chap does have a point about
the unfriendliness of the environment. It isn't so much that we've
gone out of our way to be unfriendly, but the tool we use to
interact--the wiki,
There's sort of two components to this problem. There's the human
behavior component, which is a super tough nut to crack. And then
there is the institutional component; among the most common complaints
about Wikipedia are its bureaucracy and the complexity of
contributing. Solving the
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