Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Charles Matthews
David Lindsey wrote: What we need, then, is not a way to desysop more easily, but rather a way to delineate highly-charged and controversial administrator actions, and the administrators qualified to perform them, from uncontroversial administrator actions, and the administrators qualified to

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins

2010-06-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 June 2010 05:56, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: Let's not mince words: Wikipedia administratorship can be a serious liability.  The 'reward' for volunteering for this educational nonprofit can include getting one's real name Googlebombed, getting late night phone calls to one's

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread AGK
On 31 May 2010 20:00, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Interesting, AGK. Are the ideas important, or the personalities? Here, you just demonstrated my concern even further. Now I understand why you are able to write at such length. Rather than make your arguments based on facts,

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Again, this gets long. If allergic to Abd Thought, or to lengthy comments, please don't read. Nobody is required to read this, it's voluntary, and you won't hear a complaint from me if you don't read it. Actually, the mail triggered moderation, the list is set to 20 KB max, which is low in my

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
(continuation from Part 1, preceding.) I never sought the desysopping of JzG, as an example, and didn't argue for it for WMC. I argued for *suspension* until the admin assured ArbComm that he would not repeat the use of tools while involved. JzG's actions had been egregious, and still ArbComm

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Risker
Procedural note to moderators: Perhaps it is time to consider a length limit on posting? Risker ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread AGK
On 1 June 2010 14:30, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Therefore, instead of only needing to skip one mail, you'll need to skip two. This is part one. Abd, have you ever considered opening a blog? :) You could write the lengthy version of your comments on various topics in a

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins

2010-06-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:56 AM 6/1/2010, Durova wrote: Let's not mince words: Wikipedia administratorship can be a serious liability. The 'reward' for volunteering for this educational nonprofit can include getting one's real name Googlebombed, getting late night phone calls to one's home, and worse. The Wikimedia

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Risker wrote: Procedural note to moderators: Perhaps it is time to consider a length limit on posting? While I understand where you are coming from, it bears noting that some people would like a limit of length both on the short and the long side, and you would in the eyes of some, fail on

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins

2010-06-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:07 AM 6/1/2010, David Gerard wrote: On 1 June 2010 05:56, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: [...] It is hardly surprising that, in this weak economy, wise editors have been declining offers of nomination. This is IMO asymptom of there being insufficient admins. Yes. And again,

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 June 2010 15:45, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: I don't actually agree with Sue on that particular summary being all that insightful. (Sorry Greg!) But a lengthy summary did in fact please Sue in that particular instance. So making the moderators bar posts like the one

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Procedural note to moderators:  Perhaps it is time to consider a length limit on posting? I'm not a moderator, but I've just been skipping those long posts. They are annoying, but I may one day read those posts if I have nothing

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread AGK
On 1 June 2010 16:17, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm not a moderator, but I've just been skipping those long posts. They are annoying, but I may one day read those posts if I have nothing better to do, and sometimes there is something interesting in there. Now you know how

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:38 AM 6/1/2010, AGK wrote: Derailing meta-discussion with criticism of specific users stinks of axe-grinding. I criticized an argument with an expression of concern about how an administrator might apply that argument. That remains within metadiscussion. I specicifically disclaimed any

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:57 AM 6/1/2010, Risker wrote: Procedural note to moderators: Perhaps it is time to consider a length limit on posting? There is a 20K limit. That's lower than usual, my experience. I think it's silly, since it is easier to ignore one 30K post than to ignore two 15 K posts. But, hey, I

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:01 AM 6/1/2010, you wrote: On 1 June 2010 14:30, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Therefore, instead of only needing to skip one mail, you'll need to skip two. This is part one. Abd, have you ever considered opening a blog? :) You could write the lengthy version of your

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:17 AM 6/1/2010, Carcharoth wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Procedural note to moderators: Perhaps it is time to consider a length limit on posting? I'm not a moderator, but I've just been skipping those long posts. They are annoying, but I may

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: At 11:17 AM 6/1/2010, Carcharoth wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Procedural note to moderators:  Perhaps it is time to consider a length limit on posting? I'm not a

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-06-01 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, AGK wiki...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2010 16:17, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm not a moderator, but I've just been skipping those long posts. They are annoying, but I may one day read those posts if I have nothing better to do, and

[WikiEN-l] Three cheers for Wikipedia's cancer info (or two and a half)

2010-06-01 Thread Keith Old
Folks, The LA Times health blog Booster Shots reports: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/06/three-cheers-for-wikipedias-cancer-info-well-two-and-a-half-cheers.html As it turns out, information on Wikipedia can largely be trusted, at least as it pertains to cancer. That should

Re: [WikiEN-l] Three cheers for Wikipedia's cancer info (or two and a half)

2010-06-01 Thread Nathan
The problem is the fundamental issue of rapidly changing content; a snapshot analysis will never give you a good grasp of an article (or all of Wikipedia's) general reliability, because any article can be perfectly accurate in one minute and horribly misleading in another. Any article about

Re: [WikiEN-l] Three cheers for Wikipedia's cancer info (or two and a half)

2010-06-01 Thread Ray Saintonge
Keith Old wrote: The researchers write in their study's abstract, to be presented at the current annual meeting of theAmerican Society of Clinical Oncologyhttp://chicago2010.asco.org/: Although the Wiki resource had similar accuracy and depth to the professionally edited database, it was

Re: [WikiEN-l] Three cheers for Wikipedia's cancer info (or two and a half)

2010-06-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Keith Old keith...@gmail.com wrote: The researchers write in their study's abstract, to be presented at the current annual meeting of theAmerican Society of Clinical Oncologyhttp://chicago2010.asco.org/: Although the Wiki resource had similar accuracy and depth