Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Charles Matthews
David Goodman wrote: Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo. Ah, but it would be confusing to be out of step with other websites, wouldn't it?

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Magnus Manske
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:26 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there.   But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo. How about having JavaScript

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 04:15, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues such as truncation of search queries [2] and the search

Re: [WikiEN-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-20 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 17:40, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: Carcharoth wrote: I suppose the idea is that most people using that search box want go functionality, Many tech-savvy editors, perhaps, but certainly not most readers. not search functionality, but seeing as Google's

[WikiEN-l] Polarized light microscopy

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
Anyone know why there isn't an article on Wikipedia on polarized light microscopy? It is listed at PLM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLM But is not even linked as a redlink. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Polarized_Light_Microscopy

Re: [WikiEN-l] Polarized light microscopy

2010-05-20 Thread Magnus Manske
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Anyone know why there isn't an article on Wikipedia on polarized light microscopy? Are you talking about [[Differential interference contrast microscopy]] or [[Interference reflection microscopy]]? Both appear to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Polarized light microscopy

2010-05-20 Thread AGK
On 20 May 2010 12:48, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Anyone know why there isn't an article on Wikipedia on polarized light microscopy? Seems to simply not exist yet. It did exist as a redirect at one point but it's gone now:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Polarized light microscopy

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Anyone know why there isn't an article on Wikipedia on polarized light microscopy? Are you talking about [[Differential

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread William Pietri
On 05/20/2010 01:13 AM, Charles Matthews wrote: Ah, but it would be confusing to be out of step with other websites, wouldn't it? Never mind that Wikipedia is sui generis and well known in its own terms, it would be confusing not to conform to other sites in having design imposed, not bubbling

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2010-05-20 Thread David Gerard
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Amory Meltzer
Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world. If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B use the internet, then according to Alex wikipedia.org gets about 13.5% of internet users. That's 135 million users. We definitely don't have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? Carcharoth On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world.  If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 May 2010 16:17, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world.  If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B use the internet, then according to Alex wikipedia.org No, I mean actual data

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread William Pietri
On 05/20/2010 07:57 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 20 May 2010 15:51, William Pietriwill...@scissor.com wrote: But assuming a 99:1 novice to expert ratio for our traffic, the current approach must have saved an awful lot of extra clicks from novices. Ahh ... do we have numbers from

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: Good question. I should say that I have no inside knowledge on this project, and am speaking purely as a random Wikipedian who does web stuff for a living. That's just my educated guess, both on ratios and clicks.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Charles Matthews
William Pietri wrote: The community of editors definitely make this place what it is, but our shared goal is to serve readers, and I think that should be paramount in our minds. Especially in situations like interface design, where a classic and incredibly common mistake is for internal

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Andrew Gray
On 20 May 2010 16:29, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: No, I mean actual data from the actual use of our site. Putting the search box in the same place as other popular sites is on the assumption that people will find this more familiar. But what's the actual data say about the change? I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-20 Thread Philip Sandifer
On May 15, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: But I can't say that these points really apply in many cases that we appear to be applying them: We would reject as reliable sources many hobbyist blogs (or even webcomics) with a stronger reputation to preserve, less

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Philip Sandifer snowspin...@gmail.com wrote: On May 15, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: But I can't say that these points really apply in many cases that we appear to be applying them: We would reject as reliable sources many hobbyist blogs (or even

[WikiEN-l] Country-specific blocking of websites

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
Might be of interest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/10130195.stm Pakistan has blocked the popular video sharing website YouTube because of its growing sacrilegious content. [...] Some Wikipedia pages are also now being restricted, latest reports say. [...] Carcharoth

Re: [WikiEN-l] Country-specific blocking of websites

2010-05-20 Thread stevertigo
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Might be of interest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/10130195.stm Pakistan has blocked the popular video sharing website YouTube because of its growing sacrilegious content. [...] Some Wikipedia pages are also now being restricted,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Country-specific blocking of websites

2010-05-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 May 2010 17:56, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Might be of interest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/10130195.stm Pakistan has blocked the popular video sharing website YouTube because of its growing sacrilegious content.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Naoko Komura
Amir E. Aharoni wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 04:15, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues such as truncation of search

Re: [WikiEN-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-20 Thread Ray Saintonge
Amir E. Aharoni wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 17:40, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: Carcharoth wrote: not search functionality, but seeing as Google's default is search not go, I suspect more people are used to getting a list of search results and clicking the top one than

Re: [WikiEN-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-20 Thread Andrew Gray
On 19 May 2010 15:51, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: ... Yes, it makes a lot of sense that there would be such a button in Wikipedia, because quite a lot of the people who type obama probably just want the article about the president (but someone should research how many

Re: [WikiEN-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Relatedly, a proposal! Search box, two buttons. One, search or go, acts as the old mixed-search go button - it is a direct leap to that title, else falling back on the search. The second button is advanced; it takes

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Naoko Komura
Magnus Manske wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:26 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread geni
On 20 May 2010 16:29, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 16:17, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world.  If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B use the internet,

Re: [WikiEN-l] * '''Delete''', non-notable terrorist. May be recreated if terrorism successful - ~~~~

2010-05-20 Thread Emily Monroe
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Re: [WikiEN-l] * '''Delete''', non-notable terrorist. May be recreated if terrorism successful - ~~~~

2010-05-20 Thread AGK
On 20 May 2010 16:13, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Spotted by Matthias: http://www.mightaswelldance.com/blog/2010/05/how-wikipedia-kept-me-out-of-jail/ Very good :-) AGK ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-20 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Carcharoth wrote: The combination results in a badly distended view of knowledge that has wrecked more than a handful of articles on Wikipedia. Some examples may help. I already gave an example of the Marion Zimmer Bradley article: a published author has a dispute with a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Polarized light microscopy

2010-05-20 Thread David Goodman
They're different. Polarized light microscopy is the oldest and basic one. There is indeed more than the geological applications, but for the ordinary technique the geological application are by far the most important. Excellent (non-free) article at Nikon's site,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Naoko Komura
Just a quick update: Updated search interface was rolled-out to English Wikipedia earlier today. Thank you all for your quick feedback. Regarding the search location, we understand the inconvenience and the sense of disorientation when the frequently used tool is moved around. However, we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-20 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Philip Sandifer wrote: On May 15, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: But I can't say that these points really apply in many cases that we appear to be applying them: We would reject as reliable sources many hobbyist blogs (or even webcomics) with a stronger reputation to preserve,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-20 Thread Ian Woollard
On 21 May 2010 04:40, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: While this is not a reply specifically to what Greg raises, it is a fact that we aren't just giving the cold shoulder to silent knowledge, but also stuff written down in a language not our own, when it happens to exist.