Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-11 Thread Brian
I vote for making the toolserver the head-node to a much larger beowulf cluster that has a well configured job scheduler. The data that needs to be crunched is already right there - it makes sense to put a research cluster there as well. There will always be a limited supply of resources. Perhaps

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-11 Thread Brian
: SHA1 Brian: I vote for making the toolserver the head-node to a much larger beowulf cluster that has a well configured job scheduler. so the issue is that more CPU is needed to run the research jobs?  how much more?  do you have an example of a job and what it would require to run here

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-14 Thread Brian
AM, Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de wrote: Brian schrieb: * WikiBlame - A Lucene index of the history of all projects that can instantly find the authors of a pasted snippet. I'm not clear on the memory requirements of hosting an app like this after the index is created, but the index

Re: [Wikitech-l] Abuse Filter extension activated on English Wikipedia

2009-03-18 Thread Brian
This extension is very important for training machine learning vandalism detection bots. Recently published systems use only hundreds of examples of vandalism in training - not nearly enough to distinguish between the variety found in Wikipedia or generalize to new, unseen forms of vandalism. A

Re: [Wikitech-l] Abuse Filter extension activated on English Wikipedia

2009-03-19 Thread Brian
. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote: Brian wrote: This extension is very important for training  machine learning vandalism detection bots. Recently published systems use only hundreds of examples of vandalism in training - not nearly enough to distinguish between

Re: [Wikitech-l] Abuse Filter extension activated on English Wikipedia

2009-03-19 Thread Brian
Ultimately we need a system that integrates information from multiple sources, such as WikiTrust, AbuseFilter and the Wikipedia Editorial Team. A general point - there is a *lot* of information contained in edits that AbuseFilter cannot practically characterize due to the complexity of language

Re: [Wikitech-l] Enwiki dump crawling since 10/15/2008

2009-03-25 Thread Brian
Perhaps the toolserver can make you a current dump of current en? On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Christian Storm st...@iparadigms.comwrote: Thanks to everyone who got the enwiki dumps going again! Should we expect more regular dumps now? What was the final solution of fixing this?

Re: [Wikitech-l] ANNOUNCE: OpenStreetMap maps will be added to Wikimedia projects

2009-04-05 Thread Brian
Great. Let us know when you've got community approval. On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: There has been rapid progress on the subject of adding OpenStreetMap maps to Wikimedia projects (e.g. Wikipedia) during the MediaWiki Developer Meet-Up[1]

Re: [Wikitech-l] ANNOUNCE: OpenStreetMap maps will be added to Wikimedia projects

2009-04-05 Thread Brian
s/president/precedent ^_^ On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Great. Let us know when you've got community approval. Better than a simple super-majority too per the president set

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-06 Thread Brian
You didn't address his idea one iota. Isn't this the relevant doc? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Mediawiki-database-schema.png Maybe you could explain how the storage class renders his idea irrelevant? On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Domas Mituzas

Re: [Wikitech-l] how much redundant text in Wikipedia?

2009-04-09 Thread Brian
Good catch On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Mark Clements (HappyDog) gm...@kennel17.co.uk wrote: Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote in message news:c1efa9f5-0af0-4203-bdb9-a3055fec5...@gmail.com... You know, wikitech-l is for MediaWiki development discussion as well, not just

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dealing with Large Files when attempting a wikipedia database download.

2009-04-10 Thread Brian
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to encourage people to include relevant information in their OPs. You don't suppose you could have at least told us your operating system, whether you are running 32 or 64 bits? Are you on linux with no large file support? On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Jameson

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dealing with Large Files when attempting a wikipedia database download - Focus upon Bittorrent List

2009-04-18 Thread Brian
I have no problem helping someone get a faster download speech and I'm also not willing to fling around fallacies about how selfish behavior is bad for society. Here is wget vs. aget for the full history dump of the simple english wikipedia - a substantial 3.5x improvement that someone who is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dealing with Large Files when attempting a wikipedia database download - Focus upon Bittorrent List

2009-04-18 Thread Brian
s/speech/speed/ :-0 On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I have no problem helping someone get a faster download speech and I'm also not willing to fling around fallacies about how selfish behavior is bad for society. Here is wget vs. aget for the full

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dealing with Large Files when attempting a wikipedia database download - Focus upon Bittorrent List

2009-04-19 Thread Brian
bandwidth. That kind of selfish behaviour fuels non-neutral behaviour and ought not be encouraged. [snip] On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I have no problem helping someone get a faster download speech and I'm also not willing to fling around fallacies

Re: [Wikitech-l] Skin JS cleanup and jQuery

2009-04-22 Thread Brian
Many extensions are now using the Yahoo User Interface library. It would be nice if mediawiki included it by default. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: Just a heads-up -- Michael Dale is working on some cleanup of how the various JavaScript bits are

Re: [Wikitech-l] New preferences system

2009-04-24 Thread Brian
Is an autoconverter feasible? There are many, many extensions guys! On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, How much work do you think it will be to repair an

Re: [Wikitech-l] New preferences system

2009-04-24 Thread Brian
from Wikimedia's other projects like Wikipedia. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: What does this have to do with not horribly breaking many extensions at the same time? The WMF has cultivated an extension ecosystem and it makes sense to protect

Re: [Wikitech-l] request for feedback on new-upload branch

2009-05-07 Thread Brian
Because I am doing a C++ implementation of the mediawiki api I was distraight to see that upload had not been implemented and I would have to simulate Special:Upload. Thanks for doing this! On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Michael Dale md...@wikimedia.org wrote: The new-upload branch includes a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wiki editor wysiwyg

2009-05-08 Thread Brian
There is nothing bad about the flash format. If it works in a free player I'm not aware of any other objections. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Amir Elisha Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 19:39, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wiki editor wysiwyg

2009-05-08 Thread Brian
Ok, but is there one that supports the features found in Gnash? Isn't flash a language specification, and doesn't Gnash have an emacs mode? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Amir Elisha Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 21:11, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wiki editor wysiwyg

2009-05-08 Thread Brian
Flash has a lot going for it. It could be that because flash makes it so easy to create usable, good looking interfaces that it is in fact the ideal testbed for interface prototypes. I'd be curious to see the rationale on which it has been rejected, and why it won't be given a fair chance next to

Re: [Wikitech-l] request for feedback on new-upload branch

2009-05-11 Thread Brian
://grey.colorado.edu/UploadTestWiki/api.php On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Does this branch work? I just tried the demo link provided in api.php but it does not work. api.php?action=uploadfilename=Wiki.pngurl=http%3A//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wiki editor wysiwyg

2009-05-11 Thread Brian
I thought it was generally agreed upon that the path to fix the parser goes something like this: * Define a new wiki language that is compatible with bison/flex * Write a converter between the old language and the new (when possible) * Implement per-revision parsers * Implement the new parser *

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wiki editor wysiwyg

2009-05-11 Thread Brian
See also: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/One-pass_parser http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Alternative_parsers On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I thought it was generally agreed upon that the path to fix the parser goes something like this: * Define a new

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dump throughput

2009-05-11 Thread Brian
In my opinion fragmentation of conversations onto evermore mailing lists discourages contribution. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andreas Meier wrote: Tomasz Finc schrieb: Tomasz Finc wrote: Russell Blau wrote: Erik Zachte

Re: [Wikitech-l] list archives public but not searchable

2009-05-27 Thread Brian
A very welcome move! An ad hoc search engine consists of wget | tar | sed | grep I personally use gmail to search the lists. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:56 AM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Public but not searchable?!

Re: [Wikitech-l] list archives public but not searchable

2009-05-27 Thread Brian
Forwarded conversation Subject: [Foundation-l] Request to allow Google to search list archives again From: *Michael Bimmler* mbimm...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:30 AM To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google web bugs in Mediawiki js from admins - technical workarounds?

2009-06-04 Thread Brian
How does installing 3rd party analytics software help the WMF accomplish its goals? On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de wrote: David Gerard schrieb: Keeping well-meaning admins from putting Google web bugs in the JavaScript is a game of whack-a-mole. Are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google web bugs in Mediawiki js from admins - technical workarounds?

2009-06-04 Thread Brian
That's why WMF now has a usability lab. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/4 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: How does installing 3rd party analytics software help the WMF accomplish its goals? Detailed analysis of how users actually use

Re: [Wikitech-l] Unbreaking statistics

2009-06-05 Thread Brian
Scrubbing log files to make the data private is hard work. You'd be impressed by what researchers have been able to do - taking purportedly anonymous data and using it to identify users en masse by correlating it with publicly available data from other sites such as Amazon, Facebook and Netflix.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Hotlinking (was Re: Unbreaking statistics)

2009-06-06 Thread Brian
Two things 1. There isn't a good way to get an image dump 2. Allowing hotlinking seems to fit nicely within the WMF mission. On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Alex wrote: We do have http://stats.wikimedia.org/ which includes things like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Hotlinking (was Re: Unbreaking statistics)

2009-06-07 Thread Brian
What do you mean it's not allowed - it works. There is only one way to disallow it! On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:11 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/7 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: Two things 1. There isn't a good way to get an image dump 2. Allowing hotlinking seems

Re: [Wikitech-l] Hotlinking (was Re: Unbreaking statistics)

2009-06-07 Thread Brian
What on earth are you talking about? On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:12 AM, John at Darkstar vac...@jeb.no wrote: Hotlinking fair use images are something that should not be possible. John Brian skrev: Two things 1. There isn't a good way to get an image dump 2. Allowing hotlinking seems

Re: [Wikitech-l] Hotlinking (was Re: Unbreaking statistics)

2009-06-07 Thread Brian
A mission which does specifically does not include: * Policing all use of our content On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I propose that we include a link back to the image description page in the EXIF data so that the images are automatically CC-BY-SA

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code updated

2009-06-17 Thread Brian
And of course Special:Version code has changed since the last time I ran that code, meaning there is really no reliable way to know what version of MediaWiki Wikipedia is running anyway. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: We always run the latest trunk

Re: [Wikitech-l] spam after subscribing to this list

2009-06-17 Thread Brian
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:01 PM, H. Langos henrik...@prak.org wrote: Now you are working in the assumption that I don't have a decent spam filter. But a spam filter will only work if there is enough information that distinguishes the spam from your ham. In this case the UCE was about a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code updated

2009-06-18 Thread Brian
Yes - this would be fantastic. It just needs to be a cheap copy which is essentially zero overhead on WMFs part. A 'live' tag for example. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Tisza Gergő gti...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Brian.Mingus at colorado.edu writes: And of course Special:Version code has

Re: [Wikitech-l] Enabling some string functions

2009-06-26 Thread Brian
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.comwrote: In the good old days someone would have solved the same problem by mentioning in the template's documentation that the parameter should use full URLs. Both the template and instances of it would be readable. Template

Re: [Wikitech-l] Enabling some string functions

2009-06-27 Thread Brian
, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Brian wrote: They want the functionality and they are willing to satisfy usability and quality of implementation in order to get it, plain and simple. ParserFunctions combined with StringFunctions is flat out unreadable. We

Re: [Wikitech-l] Announcing Semantic Bundle

2009-06-28 Thread Brian
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Markus Krötzsch m...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.dewrote: MediaWiki could do with more installation helpers for its extension in general, so this could be an interesting experiment ... Definitely - MediaWiki could use a package manager similar to apt or yum. So many

Re: [Wikitech-l] Automate uploading files

2009-06-29 Thread Brian
You can use the image import maintenance script. It's convenient. On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Beebe, Mary J bee...@battelle.org wrote: I am trying to automate uploading images (or files). We are currently using mediaWiki version 1.13.2. I am using the following code:

Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages

2009-06-30 Thread Brian
So far my favorite idea is to use a restricted subset of PHP. I would like to broach an important topic however: How can we convert all of the existing ParserFunctions and difficult-to-read template code to this new language automatically? Are we really talking about the dream of getting rid of

Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages

2009-06-30 Thread Brian
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: You couldn't ever turn template syntax off without making old revisions unrenderable. The best one could likely do is encourage people to upgrade and provide tools to make that easier. However, given the nastiness of

Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages

2009-06-30 Thread Brian
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: However, given the nastiness of template syntax, I would expect no end of wiki authors willing to help convert the commonly used stuff. -Robert Rohde I was curious just how terrible of a task conversion can be expected

Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages

2009-06-30 Thread Brian
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Robert Rohderaro...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, I assume things like {{fact}} and {{msg | foo is bar }} will be be basically unchanged on the article side but rewritten on the implementation side in Template: space.  If that is correct, it would be more

Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages

2009-06-30 Thread Brian
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: What would you replace them with? The wikitext used by regular editors should be as simple as possible, we don't want to require PHP or Javascript to be used by anyone wanting to add an infobox to an article. There

Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages

2009-06-30 Thread Brian
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: There is no proposal to replace wikitext with PHP (it wouldn't even work, PHP isn't a markup language, ditto Javascript, Python, etc.), the proposal is to replace the template code, ie. the code on the template pages.

Re: [Wikitech-l] wmf-deployment branch

2009-07-13 Thread Brian
Thanks! On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: Since we seem to routinely have our deployment linger a bit behind trunk but still need to make updates on it, I've gone ahead and created a branch with out live versions of MediaWiki extensions on it:

Re: [Wikitech-l] known to fail switch added to parserTests

2009-07-21 Thread Brian
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com simetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: But if we're going to keep the known-to-fail tests at all, it doesn't make a lot of sense to report them as passing when they're actually failing . . . if we do that we may as

Re: [Wikitech-l] known to fail switch added to parserTests

2009-07-21 Thread Brian
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:05 PM, dan nessett dness...@yahoo.com wrote: Not sure the post-commit hook running the parser is a good idea. The software could have been broken by a previous committer. From that point on parserTests will report errors until the problem is fixed, so committers

Re: [Wikitech-l] wmf-deployment branch

2009-07-29 Thread Brian
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: It already has wmf hacks :) IMHO, its not a branch outside people should use. -Chad I am using it. I believe this branch was created in part because I have requested it at least 3 times. Please make a branch for outside

[Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
. Can we please have a the WMF deployment branch be a branch of an untainted branch of the particular revision that is considered stable? Many thanks! /Brian ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Robert Leverington rob...@rhl.me.ukwrote: On 2009-07-30, Brian wrote: Can we please have a the WMF deployment branch be a branch of an untainted branch of the particular revision that is considered stable? This is, and always has been, the latest release

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Mohamed Magdy mohamed@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: The deployment branch, originally envisioned on the lists by myself, is intended to provide users of mediawiki with access to the latest stable

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Robert Leverington rob...@rhl.me.ukwrote: On 2009-07-30, Brian wrote: The versioning interactions between mediawiki and its extensions are so complicated that it is simply not feasible to run the latest release while simultaneously using a variety

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: For what its worth: it has been stated in several places by several people that wmf-deployment is not suitable for end users. It was never intended for use outside the WMF and people depending on it are mistaken. -Chad

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: For what its worth: it has been stated in several places by several people that wmf-deployment is not suitable for end users. It was never

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 7/30/09 9:19 AM, Brian wrote: The deployment branch, originally envisioned on the lists by myself, is intended to provide users of mediawiki with access to the latest stable revision - the one being used

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 30/07/2009, at 6:40 PM, Brian wrote: I'm still waiting on the rational rejection of the need for a deployment branch of mediawiki for the rest of us. You're welcome to do the work yourself instead of posting

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Robert Leverington rob...@rhl.me.ukwrote: On 2009-07-30, Brian wrote: You seem confused, perhaps you should re-read the thread. I never asked anyone to do anything except make a branch. That *is* non-trivial. Someone will have to maintain that branch

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-01 Thread Brian
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote: Once you factor in the ratio of video to non-video content for the for-seeable future this comes off looking like a time wasting boondoggle. I

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-01 Thread Brian
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:57 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/1 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: I think you vastly underestimate the amount of video that will be uploaded. Michael is right in thinking

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-01 Thread Brian
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:57 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/1 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: I think you vastly

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-01 Thread Brian
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: A reasonable estimate would require knowledge of how much free video can be automatically acquired, it's metadata automatically parsed and then

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-01 Thread Brian
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:07 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/1 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: And of course, you can just ship them the binaries! Trusted clients are impossible. Particularly for prrotecting against lulz-seekers. - d. Impossible? That's hyperbole

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-01 Thread Brian
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/1 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:07 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/1 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: And of course, you can just ship them the binaries! Trusted

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upload fileserver upgrade

2009-08-04 Thread Brian
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: We're applying a Solaris kernel patch for the ZFS performance problem on ms1, our main media file server. While in progress, uploads will be temporarily disabled. Cached images should still display, but you may see some

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upload fileserver upgrade

2009-08-04 Thread Brian
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: We're applying a Solaris kernel patch for the ZFS performance

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW test infrastructure architecture

2009-08-11 Thread Brian
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Robert Leverington rob...@rhl.me.ukwrote: Please can you properly break your lines in e-mail though, to 73(?) characters per a line - should be possible to specify this in your client. That's a joke right? If you are using pine on a monitor built in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable

2009-08-22 Thread Brian
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Dear Jimmy Wales, Could you ask those in charge to make the wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable again? There may be good reasons why they aren't, but of course one cannot find

Re: [Wikitech-l] LanguageSelector on strategy wiki

2009-09-10 Thread Brian
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9/10/09 2:40 PM, Casey Brown wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Mark, how hard would it be in theory to swap some settings around to make one of our low-traffic sites

Re: [Wikitech-l] LanguageSelector on strategy wiki

2009-09-11 Thread Brian
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.comwrote: apachebench? How does apachebench help with efficiency? Please consider thinking before posting on this mailing list! Domas apachebench does help with efficiency. It is inefficient (not to mention irresponsible)

Re: [Wikitech-l] LanguageSelector on strategy wiki

2009-09-11 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: elitism++. I suppose I should send you my resume before I send my next message to the list. Nobody

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Security holes in Mediawiki

2009-09-15 Thread Brian
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 15/09/2009, at 11:40 PM, Anthony wrote: My favorite part of that article: Even the open source MediaWiki software has more than its

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Toolserver-l] Archive of visitor stats

2009-09-17 Thread Brian
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: That particular result is unpublished. I could make you a list of infrequently viewed articles, but it would be quite long. Could you make a

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Toolserver-l] Archive of visitor stats

2009-09-17 Thread Brian
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: That particular result is unpublished. I could make you a list

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Toolserver-l] Archive of visitor stats

2009-09-17 Thread Brian
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: That particular result is unpublished. I could make you a list of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-24 Thread Brian
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:48 AM, dgerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/24 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com : On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru wrote: So it would be menu and icon-driven editing, where the hands

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-24 Thread Brian
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: This round the Usability Initiative got 800,000 dollars. That's a load of money. If the Foundation

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-24 Thread Brian
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I definitely think it's a good idea to go after the low hanging fruit first, which it sounds like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-24 Thread Brian
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Brian wrote: This round the Usability Initiative got 800,000 dollars. That's a load of money. If the Foundation decides that it wants to fix the problem the correct way then it can. And it can start at any time! We

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-25 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.orgwrote: * The topic is supposed to be on Template Editing which is, at least in the way it's being proposed, a little less of a stale topic - so where is all the energy on that front? We have an XML format to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-25 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/25 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: Also, I am quite serious about my point that an entirely new language interface specification will be added to MediaWiki and that it will be widely adopted and propagate

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-25 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/25 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: Also, I am quite serious about my point that an entirely new language interface specification

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-25 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Alex mrzmanw...@gmail.com wrote: Brian wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: * The topic is supposed to be on Template Editing which is, at least in the way it's being proposed, a little less

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-25 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/25 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: I am not here saying that it is a bad feature, not a bit. In fact I have previously advocated on this list for the ability for users to specify form-like interfaces. What I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-25 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/25 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: However powerful it is, I'm not sure we can really rule out future incompatibility as you suggest by simply stating that we can easily forwardport. This feature is intended

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-25 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9/25/09 11:39 AM, Brian wrote: I do think that sufficient energy has been directed at this topic. People have complained that xml is harder to edit that wikitext and that it is too complicated, among other things

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-25 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com wrote: Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote in message news:9839a05c0909251423j7152ae51y34a6a9e586f4f...@mail.gmail.com... You have conveniently ignored the rest of my points, which are not, as you have claimed, off

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for editing template calls within pages

2009-09-25 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/26 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: Roan, sorry that the idea is pretty hard to convey, I'll try again. The basic idea is that you can create templates using templates (just using current tech). It's easy

Re: [Wikitech-l] Issues on Wikireality.ru

2009-09-27 Thread Brian
#mediawiki MaxSem I've been receiving wikimail spam from translatewiki suggesting to join an attack site MaxSem two different accounts - Ferrer and Участник Проектов siebrand MaxSem: that's all Ferrer. siebrand MaxSem: we're blocking on sight. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Ferrer

Re: [Wikitech-l] C++ implementation of the MediaWiki API

2009-10-10 Thread Brian
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Guillaume Paumier guillom@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Because I am doing a C++ implementation of the mediawiki api [...] May I ask what the status of your implementation is? Is it still

Re: [Wikitech-l] Categories without interwiki

2013-09-22 Thread Brian Wolff
In the past I was asked do certain statistics based on categories for wikinews. Having interwikis was rather key for that. -bawolff On 2013-09-22 5:26 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, What is the problem with people NOT considering interwiki links to categories as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code reviewers registry

2013-09-24 Thread Brian Wolff
I'd point out that there is also an option in your gerrit prefs to get an email whenever someone touches a certain repo or a certain path in a certain repo. -bawolff On 2013-09-24 4:24 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: Public service reminder: consider adding yourself to

Re: [Wikitech-l] File cache + HTTPS question

2013-10-01 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-10-01 2:18 PM, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: With VPS prices starting in the $2-$5 a month range [1][2][3][4] there are not many reasons left for using less secure and less predictable shared

Re: [Wikitech-l] Officially supported MediaWiki hosting service?

2013-10-01 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-10-01 3:11 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Question for the group: Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting service be useful to people who would like to run wikis, but don't have the time, expertise, or resources to maintain their own

Re: [Wikitech-l] File cache + HTTPS question

2013-10-01 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-10-01 3:46 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody ever considered the possibility that maybe people don't know (or want to know) how to set up a caching proxy? One of the nice things about

Re: [Wikitech-l] Case Insensitive Database Lookups

2013-10-01 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/1/13, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have an open bug in CentralNotice [1] where I have a search function by name for old content. Naively this happens as a LIKE query on the table's name column. Though this works, it fails at being case insensitive because the table, like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ori Livneh's new role on site performance

2013-10-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-10-08 3:59 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, I'm excited to announce that Ori Livneh will be moving into Platform Engineering as Senior Performance Engineer. This work is riffing off of the work that he's done with the Growth (nee E3) team, where a big part

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