Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-18 Thread Mike Hammett
9:45 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available for PTP. 700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion. I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-18 Thread Steve Barnes
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul For an idea of antenna size... look at a TV antenna. Same band, same size antenna for same gain

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-18 Thread John Valenti
Could you elaborate on why this is a bad idea? I'm slightly interested in it for low cost connections. In my current area, I don't have a problem finding grain legs for AP sites. These would be dense enough that I could build a great network with white spaces cells and 5GHz backhauls. But

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-18 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Wonder why it attached the reply... - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-18 Thread Blair Davis
: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul Look at the BLONDER TONGUE BTY-10-U UHF single channel units Third photo down on the left. I'd look hard at these as CPE antennas... Steve Barnes wrote: That's scary. And that's only a receiver

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-17 Thread John Scrivner
We have been fighting it. Towerstream seems to have somehow created a perception that they are justified in this desire to set aside TVWS spectrum for this inefficient use. We have been fighting it and we will continue to do so. Scriv On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-17 Thread Steve Barnes
Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available for PTP. 700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion. I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to be huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna? I am also concerned about the CPE Panel size. Going from a

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-17 Thread Blair Davis
At these freqs, I'd suspect that yagi's will be the best choice for cpe's. Steve Barnes wrote: Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8 still available for PTP. 700 PTP is not necessary in my opinion. I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-17 Thread Josh Luthman
I don't recall the exact length but we have an enormous fiberglass 450 mhz omni on our tower. At least 12 ft and it withstood the hurricane of Ohio with 60 mph winds a few months back. On 11/17/08, Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even in our area in eastern Indiana there is lots of 5.8

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-17 Thread John Scrivner
I am concerned about 700 Mhz antenna sizes. Aren't sectors going to be huge to get the 4 watt at the antenna? To be clear, TVWS is different than 700 MHz. The 700 MHz band sold at auction. TVWS is lower in frequency which will mean even larger antennas for equivalent gain. The physics of it

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces PtP Backhaul

2008-11-17 Thread reader
I've got territory ranging from a town of 35K to open wheat fields to rolling to tall mountains heavily forested. I can find no particular need for, and in fact, find that low frequency backhauls are at least sometimes self-defeating, due to huge Fresnel zones, for instance. What I need, in