RE: [WSG] W3C what are they doing ?

2004-12-22 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: berry Most of us have developped application using DOM which maybe will not be valid with the new standard especially with XHTML 2.0 and DOM3. So? Nobody will be forcing you to switch your site to XHTML 2.0 or any other technology. The whole point of having DOCTYPEs is to identify

Re: [WSG] W3C what are they doing ?

2004-12-22 Thread Kornel Lesinski
- I doubt XHTML 2/DOM 3 will hit the main stream for a number of years (at least 5). So I wouldn't start worrying about it now. - I don't think XHTML 2/DOM 3 have be designed with developers in mind. These guys are not thinking about our immediate needs - they are thinking about the direction of

[WSG] Web inaccessibility 'creates net underclass'

2004-12-22 Thread Amit Karmakar
Interesting read: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/20/accessibility_underclass/ Companies and public bodies are still failing to take accessibility into account when designing their websites, despite the risk of legal action under the UK's disability discrimination laws -- Regards, Amit

[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org (Out of office )

2004-12-22 Thread Wayne Whittaker
I am on holiday !! Back on the 10th of Jan. Contact Adrienne Foley for urgent stuff. __ This message contains information, which is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-22 Thread Jorge Laranjo
Well, You can start reading http://thetaoofwebdesign.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/2004/10/ color_schemes_g.html and http://thetaoofwebdesign.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/2004/08/ update_how_to_c.html to help you out with the colors. Then pick a pencil and start drawing... them put that in CSS / XHTML

RE: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-22 Thread Brett Walsh
Anthony, You have 120 errors on that page. Most of them are br errors missing their end tag. A simple search and replace will get you down to about 20 errors. (maybe less I can't be bothered wading through them all.) Try in your favourite editor: Find: br Replace With: br / Even note pad has

RE: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-22 Thread Brett Walsh
Validates??? Have I got the wrong url or something. I just checked www.dotradio.uni.cc and it still has 120 errors? Did I miss something? Regards, Brett -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of haggis Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:34 PM

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-22 Thread James O'Neill
Anthony, Do not get discouraged. Designing semantically correct, accessible, and valid sites is not easy. Transitioning to standards compliant design is a long frustrating road, but it is well worth the pain. There are many that can forget the journey that we all traveled to get where we are

RE: [WSG] Color Scheme Tools (Was: My Site)

2004-12-22 Thread Pringle, Ron
Patrick- Nice! This will help me perfectly with figuring out some seasonal tints for my various menu levels. Ron Pringle Web Developer MIS, City of Aurora 630-892-8811 x3359 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aurora-il.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Color Scheme Tools (Was: My Site)

2004-12-22 Thread Tom Livingston
In case anyone missed it, http://www.wire-man.com/paletteman/ is nice too. Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com On Dec 22, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Pringle, Ron wrote: Patrick- Nice! This will help me perfectly with figuring out some seasonal tints for my

Re: [WSG] Color Scheme Tools (Was: My Site)

2004-12-22 Thread Leslie Riggs
That site works fine in IE6, but in my FF 1.0 on WinXP SP2, instructions don't appear, etc. Doesn't work in FF, in other words. It's awesome, but you have to use it with IE. Leslie In case anyone missed it, http://www.wire-man.com/paletteman/ is nice too. Tom

[WSG] color schemer

2004-12-22 Thread Ted Drake
Hi all we are going out of the bounds of web standards with the color schemer references. So, I'll throw my two cents in and tip the see saw way off balance. Using colorschemer, color palette mambo jambo, color my site beautiful, or any other color scheme generator is like using a

[WSG] opera float question

2004-12-22 Thread Ted Drake
I am still having some problems getting all of my floats working in Opera. I just added a little search feature to the left side of our web site http://www.csatravelprotection.com/csa/jsp/index.jsp It looks fine in IE WIN and FF. In Opera, the go button drops down below the search area. To avoid

Re: [WSG] color schemer

2004-12-22 Thread Paul Menard
Ted, Thanks so much for the recommendation on the book. This is the kind of information I was really hoping to obtain from this list. Being a developer and not a designer I'm trying to develop some form of eye for style not to mention layout, type, color etc. I'll add your book recommendation

Re: [WSG] opera float question

2004-12-22 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Opera7 doesn't allow fieldsets to float. Bug. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-22 Thread Julia
The url given has a valid html4 button, but the doctype of the page itself is xhtml 1.0 transitional. The markup is nothing like xhtml, but the validator keeps trying to validate it as xhtml because the doctype says so. If you cant change your markup to xhtml, it would be easier to change

RE: [WSG] color schemer

2004-12-22 Thread Collin Davis
Ted, I wholly agree with you but what good is color theory if you cant pick them out? In my case Im severely colorblind, and have to rely on programs (I use ColorSuite for Hexachrome by Pantone) to find complementary colors. Its not that I cant, or dont understand color theory its just

RE: [WSG] color schemer

2004-12-22 Thread Ryan Reynolds
Flipping this on its ear: are there any tools to help those with good colour perception to preview what a design might look like to those who are colour blind. I know certain schemers do this, but I'm thinking more for reviewing finished products. Sadly my eyes didn't come with a colour blindness

Re: [WSG] color schemer

2004-12-22 Thread Darren Wood
Ryan Reynolds wrote: Flipping this on its ear: are there any tools to help those with good colour perception to preview what a design might look like to those who are colour blind. you may want to give http://colorfilter.wickline.org/ a go. It does a great job of converting text, bgcolors, and

[WSG] IE6 Doctype Quirks Mode

2004-12-22 Thread David R
Hi Whilst we're all fully aware of IE6's Quirks-mode switching according to Doctype, is there any additional information available? The MSDN page (http://msdn.microsoft.com/ie/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnie60/html/cssenhancements.asp) just mentions the CSS2 fixes when using an xhtml DTD

Re: [WSG] IE6 Doctype Quirks Mode

2004-12-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
David R wrote: But which XHTML dtd? I noticed that in some cases IE6 doesn't render pages correctly when the XHTML 1.1 DTD is used, or if you include the ?xml version=1.0 header before the DTD (and I've noticed that G3 browsers (PocketIE, IE3.02, etc..) render the ?xml header with the body

RE: [WSG] color schemer

2004-12-22 Thread Focas, Grant
Ryan, The AIS Web Accessibility Toolbar is great for that - see your site as greyscale, colour blindness, glaucoma, all sorts.. and that's only one small part of it. http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/toolbar/index.html Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] IE6 Doctype Quirks Mode

2004-12-22 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Never include the ?xml declaration. This throws IE into quirks mode right away. If you use server side scripting (ASP, PHP or whatever - not going into scripting detail as that's off topic) to serve an xhtml document in text/html or application/xhtml+xml as

[WSG] Unordered list as Path won't wrap

2004-12-22 Thread Miles Tillinger
Hi, I'm trying to represent the path as an unordered list, e.g. Home Level One Level Two Level Three etc. ul liHome/li liLevel One/li liLevel Two/li liLevel Three/li lietc./li /ul However in situations where the path is extremely long the list will not wrap and breaks my layout,