[WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised

2005-08-18 Thread Webmaster
Hi all, As promised I've been working away again creating a hack-free version of the Holy Grail 3-col layout. I have had some measure of success. The results can be viewd here for anyone who's interested. http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/layout_test.htm I now ask the list's help in

Re: [WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised

2005-08-18 Thread Lindsay Evans
Hi Paul, You're talking about the content in the middle column getting chopped off about half way down? Try changing div class=cleanernbsp;/div to br class=cleaner / On 8/18/05, Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now ask the list's help in resolving a very odd and new bug to me. It only

Re: [WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised

2005-08-18 Thread Ingo Chao
Webmaster wrote: As promised I've been working away again creating a hack-free version of the Holy Grail 3-col layout. ... http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/layout_test.htm I now ask the list's help in resolving a very odd and new bug to me. It only seems to occur in IE and happens when

[WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-18 Thread Bob Schwartz
On this page: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_02.html I have a link at the bottom of the page (Back To Page One) which should send a visitor to: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html#top and it does in all the browsers I have tried except IE Windows

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-18 Thread Lea de Groot
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:09:59 -0700, Ben Curtis wrote: Both of your examples make the same amount of sense, semantically. Bold text does not mean anything different than non-bold text, and therefore boldness has no semantic meaning. In theory, I agree with you. But in practice - the B tag has

THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system

2005-08-18 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:01:37 +0800, Bert Doorn wrote: I thought this thread was CLOSED? Indeed it is, Bert. People, I repeat, due to popular demand we have an entire mailing list for the discussion of CMS Systems and Web Standards. Get over there and use it if thats what you want to talk about!

[WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?

2005-08-18 Thread Bennie, Jack
Title: Two columns, one fluid one fixed? Hey Guys Got a simple one, but can't seem to get my head round it I'm after a 2 column setup, one fixed width and the other fluid. I can get the following code to work in IE 5, 5.5 and 6, but not in Safari, Mac IE 5.2 and Firefox... !DOCTYPE

[WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?

2005-08-18 Thread Ant Tears
Title: Two columns, one fluid one fixed? I'm not so good with floats, but this might be a different approach: #container{ text-align: left; margin: 0; margin-right:185px;} #centrecontent { border: 1px solid red;} #right { width:182px; position:absolute;right:5px;border: 1px solid blue; }

Re: [WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?

2005-08-18 Thread Andrew Krespanis
On 8/18/05, Bennie, Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a simple one, but can't seem to get my head round it I'm after a 2 column setup, one fixed width and the other fluid. I'm pretty sure it's something simple, but it's the end of the day and I can't spot it! Any ideas? I need to keep

Re: [WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?

2005-08-18 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Sorry for the double post, merely a quick clarification :) There's a much better term for it in the spec, but alas I'm not in the mood for spec. trawling at the moment The proper explaination is that floated elements without an intrinsic width[1] must have one declared in CSS. For a

Re: [WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?

2005-08-18 Thread Kenny Graham
yup, the only way to have something floated and still have it be fluid is to specify a % width. but then the other column can't be fixed width. so. can't be done. (i'll gladly welcome being corrected) why do you have to keep the float on there?

Re: [WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-18 Thread Kenny Graham
Works fine for me in IE6/WinXP/SP2. Normally, I'd recommend you uninstall and reinstall your browser... but wait... it's IE, and I doubt you want to reformat. *evil grin*

[WSG] best practice for layering menus

2005-08-18 Thread Claudia Frers
I have been hesitent to ask this question as I am not sure that the optimal solution is to use css. I wish to have a top horizontal menu which alternates the selection of left navigation menus. So if my top menu links are spanish, english and danish I want to display the contents: one two three

Re: [WSG] Request for comments on a website (printing)

2005-08-18 Thread Stephen Francis Johnson
Thank you all for your posative comments. My client has a problem with the print output of this page. He would ideally like it to print exactly as it does on the screen. He is rather adamant about this. What are your thoughts on this? Is there a way to satisfy this clients demands? i.e. force the

[WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension

2005-08-18 Thread Marcel Pociot
Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas umständlich von dem

Re: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences

2005-08-18 Thread Jan Brasna
Gamma correction, min-/mix-width/height, this is the most visible difference between 1.2.4 (maybe 1.3) and 2.0, but since everyone I know has moved to Tiger, I don't assume this is a problem... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences

2005-08-18 Thread James Ellis
Hi I'm not sure, but given Safari and Konquerer run off the same base (khtml) you could try searching the bugz database at opendarwin.org and kde.org http://bugzilla.opendarwin.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specificorder=relevance+descbug_status=__all__product=WebKitcontent=

Re: [WSG] Request for comments on a website (printing)

2005-08-18 Thread Joshua Street
On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 13:16 +0100, Stephen Francis Johnson wrote: Thank you all for your posative comments. My client has a problem with the print output of this page. He would ideally like it to print exactly as it does on the screen. He is rather adamant about this. What are your thoughts on

Re: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences

2005-08-18 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 18 Aug 2005, at 9:35 pm, Jan Brasna wrote: Gamma correction, min-/mix-width/height, this is the most visible difference between 1.2.4 (maybe 1.3) and 2.0, but since everyone I know has moved to Tiger, I don't assume this is a problem... Safari 1.3 and 2.0 are supposed to be identical.

Re: [WSG] Two columns, one fluid one fixed?

2005-08-18 Thread David Laakso
Bennie, Jack wrote: Two columns, one fluid one fixed? Hey Guys Got a simple one, but can't seem to get my head round it I'm after a 2 column setup, one fixed width and the other fluid. I can get the following code to work in IE 5, 5.5 and 6, but not in Safari, Mac IE 5.2 and Firefox...

Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension

2005-08-18 Thread Zulema
Quoting Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings

RE: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension

2005-08-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
*rolls eyes and mumbles something about posting to an english language list in german...* Translation: # Hello everybody! I'm looking for an extension for Firefox which makes it possible to view a webpage in greyscale. With regards to accessibility, the representation of colours

AW: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension

2005-08-18 Thread Marcel Pociot
Hey sorry for not translating it into english :) Well I want to know if there is a firefox extension that makes it possible to look at a webpage in greyscale. The point is: To have a webpage barrier-free the contrast of the webpage has to be good enough to recognize every image, link, etc. even

Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension

2005-08-18 Thread James O'Neill
Marcel, Give this a spin: http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/ JimOn 8/18/05, Zulema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf

RE: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension

2005-08-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
Marcel Pociot But FF Extension would be the best of course ;) Not an FF solution, but you can look at the excellent AIS Web Accessibility Toolbar for IE http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/toolbar/ which has a function that does exactly what you're after (Colors Greyscale) MfG, Patrick

Re: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension

2005-08-18 Thread morten fjellman
Not sure if it's exactly what you want, but try this one: http://colorfilter.wickline.org/ Fjellman On 8/18/05, Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey sorry for not translating it into english :) Well I want to know if there is a firefox extension that makes it possible to look at a

Re: AW: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension

2005-08-18 Thread Steve Clason
On 8/18/2005 8:53 AM Marcel Pociot wrote: Or maybe a little tool that could switch Windows to greyscale (like when Windows XP is shutting down) - Just a simple and fast solution for this :) But FF Extension would be the best of course ;) Gadwin PrintScreen (http://www.gadwin.com/) is freeware

[WSG] EASY MONEY MAKER/LEGIT AND LEGAL

2005-08-18 Thread Robert Moreno
AS SEEN ON OPRAH! $40K IN YOUR PAYPAL ACCOUNT! That's Right $40,000 dollars in your PayPal account - IT WAS PROVEN ON OPRAH, DATELINE, NATIONAL TV IT’S COMPLETELY LEGAL!!! $10 Dollars... That's all it takes...I'll try to keep it short and sweet. FIRST, PRINT THIS OUT TO FOLLOW

Re: [WSG] EASY MONEY MAKER/LEGIT AND LEGAL

2005-08-18 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Robert Moreno wrote: AS SEEN ON OPRAH! $40K IN YOUR PAYPAL ACCOUNT! As seen on WSG! BANNED! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the

Re: [WSG] Semantic Calendar

2005-08-18 Thread Ben Curtis
On Aug 17, 2005, at 8:31 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 17/08/05, Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does a calendar (single month) qualify as tabular data, are ordered lists a better fit, or should I be looking at another option? IMO, a calendar is always tabular

RE: [WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-18 Thread Janelle Clemens
Works fine on IE5.5. I did notice you don't have a name="top"/a which might fix your problem. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny GrahamSent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:45 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] IE Madness Works fine for me in

RE: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension

2005-08-18 Thread Janelle Clemens
That is a great webiste. Thanks. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of morten fjellman Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:34 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [SPAM?]: Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension Not sure if it's

RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-18 Thread Edward Clarke
Without trying to drag this on Ben, I still fail to see the purpose of using the B tag over the SPAN tag and don't genuinely believe I'm declaring my own preference as a standard. If backward compatibility is the only argument then it only goes slightly further back than SPAN so the weight of that

RE: [WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-18 Thread Patrick Haney
Internet Explorer cannot open the internet site http:// www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html. Operation aborted. It seems as if IE is striping off the #top fragment. Anyone know how to fix this? Bob, I had never seen this before last week, when I got quite the surprise

[WSG] issues with trying to overlay background-images

2005-08-18 Thread Bruce Gilbert
Hello group. On a page I am working on, I am trying to get a background image for a search bar to overlap and appear in front of another background image. I am not sure if this is even possible, but I am trying to do it using z-index to no avail. the page url

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-18 Thread Ben Curtis
Without trying to drag this on Ben... Indeed. I suspect this discussion is one of those that a lot of people would be in agreement if they were in the same room, but in email it seems like there may be more disagreement than intended. Tends to produce many emails, especially from folks

RE: [WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-18 Thread John Foliot - WATS.ca
Patrick Haney wrote: Internet Explorer cannot open the internet site http:// www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html. Operation aborted. It seems as if IE is striping off the #top fragment. Anyone know how to fix this? Bob, Late to the party, but I cannot replicate this

RE: [WSG] Semantic Calendar

2005-08-18 Thread Edward Clarke
On Aug 17, 2005, at 8:31 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 17/08/05, Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does a calendar (single month) qualify as tabular data, are ordered lists a better fit, or should I be looking at another option? IMO, a calendar is always

Re: [WSG] issues with trying to overlay background-images

2005-08-18 Thread standards
Bruce, If I'm not mistaken, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, z index only works with absolute positioning, and not with background images. Kind regards, Mario Hello group. On a page I am working on, I am trying to get a background image for a search bar to overlap and

Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension

2005-08-18 Thread dwain . alford
Marcel Pociot wrote: Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-18 Thread Terrence Wood
On 18 Aug 2005, at 8:50 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: I think the developer who approaches this later will be confused. Documenting your work eliminates this, nothing too fancy required... just some comments on how and why things are done a particular way. kind regards Terrence Wood.

[WSG] Revealing the Header Contents

2005-08-18 Thread Chris Kennon
http://ckimedia.com/bushido_fall/index_03_headFloat.htm The url above has a sword as a background for the header. I'm attempting to reveal the right side of the header background without placing the header outside of the page-container. I was able to reveal the entire header with a

Re: [WSG] IE Madness

2005-08-18 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Bob Schwartz wrote: On this page: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_02.html I have a link at the bottom of the page (Back To Page One) which should send a visitor to: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/events/evnt_ga_res_2005_01.html#top and it does in all the browsers I have

Re: [WSG] issues with trying to overlay background-images

2005-08-18 Thread David Laakso
Bruce Gilbert wrote: On a page I am working on, I am trying to get a background image for a search bar to overlap and appear in front of another background image. I am not sure if this is even possible, but I am trying to do it using z-index to no avail. the page url

[WSG] best practice for layering menus

2005-08-18 Thread Claudia Frers
I have been hesitent to ask this question as I am not sure that the optimal solution is to use css. I wish to have a top horizontal menu which alternates the selection of left navigation menus. So if my top menu links are spanish, english and danish I want to display the contents: one two three

RE: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences

2005-08-18 Thread chris
quoteSafari 1.3 and 2.0 are supposed to be identical/quote I was recently working on a site that errors out completely in Safari/Tiger but works great in Safari/Panther. The error in Tiger is too many http requests when downloading images. However, viewing the activity bar for the same page,

[WSG] Spec box and leaders

2005-08-18 Thread Wayne Godfrey
Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? I have a ton of specs to place on a web page and I'm baffled as how to do this with XHTML and CSS. A quick example below. I do this all the time in InDesign and Quark but this is a first for me on the web. Can it be

RE: [WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised

2005-08-18 Thread Webmaster
Lindsay, you're a champion. Modifying the class itself was also required but your solution worked. Thank you, too, Ingo. I have kept your suggestion in mind for other eventualities of this kind. Does the structure of the CSS and layout seem solid enough? I'm very interested in getting feedback

RE: [WSG] Semantic Calendar

2005-08-18 Thread Scott Swabey - Lafinboy Productions
Ben Curtis wrote Tabular data means data that both the row and column add meaning and context to the displayed data. A calendar is not row-sensitive; Ben, and others, thanks for the input on this. Ben, your comments particularly align with my thoughts about the appropriateness of using a

Re: [WSG] Spec box and leaders

2005-08-18 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Looks like tabular data, so you could use a table without incurring the wrath of the CSS deities. C On Aug 18, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? I have a ton of specs to place on a web page and I'm

RE: [WSG] Spec box and leaders

2005-08-18 Thread Scott Swabey - Lafinboy Productions
Wayne Godfrey wrote Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? Wayne A brief discussion[1] was entered into recently on the generation of dot leaders. There is a test case[2] to view as well, which should give you a good idea of directions to take. [1]

[WSG] two column equal width fixed centred layout

2005-08-18 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi Is there a best practice for having two columns of equal width side by side in a fixed width layout? I mean, is it better to float both columns left, or one left and one right etc. Are there any examples of this somewhere? Thanks Helen *** Helen

[WSG] ADMIN : responding to spam

2005-08-18 Thread James Ellis
Hi all Just a quick reminder for everyone to not respond to spam on the list. All a reply does is verify your email address. Leave it alone and the admins will banish them. thanks James -- admin ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences

2005-08-18 Thread Kevin Futter
On 19/8/05 8:22 AM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoteSafari 1.3 and 2.0 are supposed to be identical/quote I was recently working on a site that errors out completely in Safari/Tiger but works great in Safari/Panther. The error in Tiger is too many http requests when downloading

Re: [WSG] Spec box and leaders

2005-08-18 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:28:50 -0400, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? I used this method recently and was very happy with the results: http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001622.php warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems -

Re: [WSG] Revealing the Header Contents[Solution Question]

2005-08-18 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, I've resolved the issue without having to remove the header from the content div, and without having to change the width of the container. The question is how, mathematically was I able to expand the header to 700px within the container 0f 498px? On Aug 18, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Chris

Re: [WSG] Spec box and leaders

2005-08-18 Thread Chris Kennon
A great solution. On Aug 18, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:28:50 -0400, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? I used this method recently and was very happy with the results:

[WSG] IE, Ordered Lists and width on LI

2005-08-18 Thread Rachel Radford
Hi all, I’ve found that if I have an ol and a width specified through the css on the li that IE doesn’t actually number the list! They all turn up as number 1! Can someone explain why this would be… and does anyone know of a way around it? I have a bottom border on my li’s that looks very weird

Re: [WSG] IE, Ordered Lists and width on LI

2005-08-18 Thread dwain
Rachel Radford wrote: Hi all, I’ve found that if I have an ol and a width specified through the css on the li that IE doesn’t actually number the list! They all turn up as number 1! Can someone explain why this would be… and does anyone know of a way around it? I have a bottom border on my