hello all,
Ive started designing sites for this company that specilizes in .net
databases driven/xml feed type sites. I just give them a graphics file and
they slice it up. Anyway they asked me yesterday if i could do this
particular job with web accessability in mind. But heres the thing-when
On 01/11/05, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I told them that they need to start with
web standards and get thier pages to validate before they start on
accessability.
Was that sound advice?
Well, while validation might not be seen as technically essential to
accessibility, I'd say that
On 11/1/05, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hello all,
Ive started designing sites for this company that specilizes in .net
databases driven/xml feed type sites. I just give them a graphics file and
they slice it up. Anyway they asked me yesterday if i could do this
particular job with
Thanks seona and josh,
.although when they say accessibility they are probably thinking of
screen readers and users who can't use a mouse, accessibility also
includes being able to access the information and basic functionality
of a site in numerous browsing devices.
On 01/11/05, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks seona and josh,
You're welcome. :)
-thats a key point, i design with standards in mind but they've been slicing
my ai files into a tables and calling it a day. I am meeting with them this
week to talk about this. I will try and talk the
Seona Bellamy
I know that there were some really good articles floating around on
the list a while back when someone was asking how to sell web
standards to clients.
MACCAWS is fairly nice http://www.maccaws.org/kit/
Just to give my GBP0.02 on the issue, I usually (unless clients
I will be out of the office starting 11/01/2005 and will not return until
11/02/2005.
Im out of the office today, but will be checking emails off and on. For
urgent matters leave me a voice mail at 617.425.4316 or try my mobile phone
at 617.921.8004.
Cheers,
rob
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Senior Multimedia Artist
Media Logic
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Having a validating vs non-validating site doesn't make much of a
difference in accessibility, as long as the errors are minor. What
-does- make a huge difference is semantic vs non-semantic. Having a
list marked up as a list but missing a /li (in a DTD that requires
it) it still much much more
Having been in your position for some time until recently (I was standards
manager for Telstra), I found that the best way to achieve change toward
accessibility was to meet with the stakeholders and either take a
transcript, or play directly a Jaws readout of a page that had been sliced
and diced
The programmers dont want me to do any coding or as
little as possible-so as not to step on thier toes.
Don't just step, STOMP! If they're not going to do their job right then let
it be known there is someone who can...and provide the reasons why. At the
end of the day, if it can save time and
Did you have your Out Of Office Assistants on?
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well if they don't have an understanding of coding to standards, it appears
that a couple of their toes are actually missing. In which case, you
certainly won't be standing on them.
-Original Message-
From: Paul Noone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2005 10:10 AM
Graham Cook wrote:
Having been in your position for some time until recently (I was standards
manager for Telstra), I found that the best way to achieve change toward
accessibility was to meet with the stakeholders and either take a
transcript, or play directly a Jaws readout of a page that had
Mark Harris wrote:
At a WSG meeting in Wellington, earlier in the year (see
http://www.gooduse.co.nz/thegoodnessarchives/000113.html), Jonathon
Mosen did a live demo of JAWS to an audience of web developers. Watching
the light bulbs go on as it read out an interminable database URL from
an
We are hoping to have this available online as a Quicktime file soon.
When it is, it's definitely worth showing to people. Jonathan is a
wonderful speaker and funny speaker, and I guarantee that no one will
see his presentation and go away feeling the same about accessibility!
Mike
for Web
Leslie Riggs wrote:
Um, I'm kind of afraid to ask, but would there be any captioning on that
for us poor deaf folk who won't hear this but do work for hearing clients?
Hmmm...should I fire up my SMIL-a-tron again? (which has been busy
recently...watch out for an announcement soon...)
--
Leslie Riggs wrote:
We are hoping to have this available online as a Quicktime file soon.
When it is, it's definitely worth showing to people. Jonathan is a
wonderful speaker and funny speaker, and I guarantee that no one will
see his presentation and go away feeling the same about
Quoting Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
There's not at the moment. It would be great to have some, but I haven't
any experience in captioning and not sure what's involved or how long it
might take. Any volunteers? :)
Sadly I am about to leave the Australian Caption Centre but I would be more
i dont know if i will be able to sell them on
it. I was going to try the angle that web standards are helpful/essential
for accessability-which they get alot of requests for these days. The
programmers dont want me to do any coding or as little as possible-so as not
to step on thier toes.
If
That and clean XHTML is easier to hand-code than tables...
Without wanting to open a can of worms here; how so? Do you mean in
conjunction with CSS, or just that XHTML markup is cleaner than that of
HTML?
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hello all,
Ive started designing sites for this company that specilizes in .net
databases driven/xml feed type sites. I just give them a graphics file and
they slice it up. Anyway they asked me yesterday if i could do this
particular job with web accessability in mind. But heres the
Paul Noone wrote:
That and clean XHTML is easier to hand-code than tables...
Without wanting to open a can of worms here; how so? Do you mean in
conjunction with CSS, or just that XHTML markup is cleaner than that of
HTML?
I read him to mean that any clean mark-up is easier to hand code
That and clean XHTML is easier to hand-code than tables...
Without wanting to open a can of worms here; how so? Do you mean in
conjunction with CSS, or just that XHTML markup is cleaner than that of
HTML?
Just that XHTML markup is faster to type by hand than nested tables
and font tags. Most
just say i have markup like this:
--
div id =utility
ul
lia href="" Item/a/li
lia href="" Item/a/li
lia href="" Item/a/li
/ul
/div
-
and for one reason or another I *dont* have access to the html markup.
Then an intricate design
function insertSpan() {
if ( !document.getElementById || !document.createElement ) {
return;
}
var util = document.getElementById('utilities');
var links = util.getElementsByTagName('a');
for ( i=0;ilinks.length;i++ ) {
var span = document.createElement('span');
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