Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-26 Thread Zach Inglis
I thought you were being serious :p Im considering doing a BA course in Design atm personally. Even with my 7 years experience Im getting nowhere. I am talented which makes it more annoying. On 26 Sep 2005, at 02:07, Duncan Heal wrote: Thanks but I think my BA in Design Studies and 8

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-26 Thread Jan Brasna
Zach Inglis napsal(a) dne 26.9.2005 14:14: Im considering doing a BA course in Design atm personally. Even with my 7 years experience Im getting nowhere. I am talented which makes it more annoying. Eg. I am considering leaving the BA studies (Multimedia Design) to do something more

[WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread kvnmcwebn
Hello list, I picked up last months edition of computer arts, theres an article about creating liquid css layouts. dissapointing really, didnt got into detail. Also there was a review of Dreamweaver 8. CSS tools beefed up with a new css previewer. Looks good anybody used it yet? -kvnmcwebn

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
kvnmcwebn wrote: Also there was a review of Dreamweaver 8. CSS tools beefed up with a new css previewer. Looks good anybody used it yet? I think it is much better than previous versions, but still no good to render complex layouts Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com

RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread ByteDreams
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kvnmcwebn Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:27 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review Hello list, I picked up last months edition of computer arts, theres an article about creating liquid css layouts. dissapointing really, didnt got

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver, I could care less about a new version. If I was to buy an editor I'd probably go with Topstyle or something. For now, I have my trusty Notepad. On 9/25/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:kvnmcwebn wrote: Also there was a review of

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
Christian, Do you think we should care about what top designers use? ;) I'm sure we care what they do. I was just making the point that the magazine sounds stupid. Hey Christian, Do you use a pencil and a sheet of A4 first, then transcribe that to notepad? That's clearly what a emrealem

RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Christian Montoya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 3:33 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver, I could care less about a new

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Duncan Heal
Howdy I'm new to the list but have been lurking for a while. Some great stuff here. I posted this semi-review of Dreamweaver to the Apple web dev list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and here it is... Incidentally, is there some sort of 'real' designer certificate I can get?! ;) I've been

RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Duncan Heal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 9:50 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review Howdy I've been test-driving the new version of Dreamweaver - I'd pretty much sworn off

RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread kvnmcwebn
Dreamweaver is not for design. It's for the step afterwards when you take the work from the designer and make a website out of it. I hope our designer will always use Photoshop, not Notepad. But of course that's a personal preference. Do most wsg members - who

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 26 Sep 2005, at 9:50 AM, Duncan Heal wrote: Incidentally, is there some sort of 'real' designer certificate I can get?! ;) Yup, it's called a cheque from a satisfied client. N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Zach Inglis
If you're that worried about qualifications. There are university courses etc. I've found a lot of firms look first at qualifcations before portfolio. Silly but it happens. On 26 Sep 2005, at 01:13, Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 26 Sep 2005, at 9:50 AM, Duncan Heal wrote: Incidentally, is

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 26 Sep 2005, at 10:11 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote: Do most wsg members - who do both the design and mark up - actually go to code when the design is done without looking back? I try but alway end up going back and forth to make improvments. It eats time. This is probably the biggest benefit of

RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: kvnmcwebn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 10:11 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review Dreamweaver is not for design. It's for the step afterwards when you take

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Al Sparber
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver, I could care less about a new version. Who are the top designers? Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: It's probably a bigger problem if one person does both - design and markup - as you will get new ideas while you do the coding. Good point! ;) Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Duncan Heal
Thanks but I think my BA in Design Studies and 8 years media experience just might be enough:) Interesting the whole qualifications vrs. portfolio thing. Personally, as a small business owner, qualifications wouldn't mean a hell of a lot - I'd put more emphasis on what work they can do.

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Duncan Heal
Hi Duncan, Thanks for the summary of your experiences with Dreamweaver. nice to know someone read it I would be interested to hear what you feel is the advantage of BBEdit over Dreamweaver? I would have to say it's largely the nice mix of features and simplicity. The interface is as

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
That comment was a little short... I think I meant that Dreamweaver isn't a design tool... or something. Nevermind it. On 9/25/05, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver, I could carelessabout a new

RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread John Foliot - WATS.ca
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: From my personal perspective, Dreamweaver has a fantastic coding view similar to Homesite, with the additional features of FTP, CSS and Site Management. Uhm... It *is* HomeSite, which Macromedia bought to add to their Dreamweaver Suite (they also

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
As a one-man show, I disagree with that statement as I find it advantageous for me to do it all as even in the early design stages I'm thinking about how this design can be used in a page most effectively and most easily coded up. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Thierry Koblentz wrote:

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Joshua Street
So what of the view that CSS-based design inhibits creativity? We can of course see many exceptions to this, but some years ago (think BlueRobot) CSS designs were significantly more blocky than table layouts of the same era. I'm not sure if I subscribe to this thinking or not -- but, playing the

RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Peter Williams
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver From: Al Sparber Who are the top designers? Some bloke called Sparber at Project Seven is one of them I think. -- Peter Williams ** The

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Duncan Heal
I agree, both in regards to the web development process but also from a philosophic point of view. To me, the design and mark-up are so closely entwined that they are really the same thing, especially when you're aiming to create semantic code (where the code structure is a parallel of the

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Steve Clason
On 9/25/2005 7:32 PM John Foliot - WATS.ca wrote: Uhm... It *is* HomeSite, which Macromedia bought to add to their Dreamweaver Suite (they also bought ColdFusion, which shipped with HomeSite as the editing environment, eons ago). HomeSite+ 5.5 is the ColdFusion editor shipping with Studio

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
I'm not sure if I subscribe to this thinking or not -- but, playing thedevil's advocate, there is evidence to suggest that _more_ designers are capable of coming up with something creative and aesthetically pleasingwhen working in design view without regard for code. I'm not suggestingCSS

RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Duncan Heal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 12:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review Design is how something *works* not how something *looks* (read that again, slowly

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Al Sparber
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] That comment was a little short... I think I meant that Dreamweaver isn't a design tool... or something. Nevermind it. No problem :-) ** The discussion list for