Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-19 Thread Brian Foy
I know IE is a *huge* market leader, and I *do* make sure my sites work in IE... I agree fully with the design for compliant browsers first, then go back and fix IE* way of doing things. From my own personal experience I can tell you it is in fact easier that way. I think it's ill advised

Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-19 Thread Justin French
On 19/05/2004, at 8:24 PM, Mordechai Peller wrote: Some of signs that is might slip are increasing computer literacy in the general public, increased awareness of Mozilla and Opera (media reports, Opera on mobile phones, etc.), and increased acceptance of Linux. We can aid this further by

RE: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-19 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: RE: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...' I feel that Mozilla is by a country mile the best browser available, but the guy you're replying to there is right in my opinion. The average web user doesn't comfortably adapt to new environments all that well. Jamie Mason: Design

RE: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-19 Thread Robert Reed
The only way I can see a browser beating IE is if it looks, feels and behaves like IE in every way possible. An average user will not go to the trouble of downloading and installing another browser to replace the one they got with the OS - even if it has 25% better features. M$ will dominate

Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-19 Thread Justin French
On 19/05/2004, at 11:59 PM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Opera will never do it. The UI is butt ugly, the usability is woeful, and the whole thing feels a whole lot cheaper.\ Have you seen opera 7.50? And opera on mobile phones is reality, not something will never do it. The only way I can see a

Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Robert Reed wrote: The only way I can see a browser beating IE is if it looks, feels and behaves like IE in every way possible. An average user will not go to the trouble of downloading and installing another browser to replace the one they got with the OS - even if it has

Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-19 Thread Brian Foy
One more thing will be required: Web pages need to be better on compliant browsers. So in an effort to coax standards compliance out of MS we should all make sites look *beter* in non IE browsers? I've yet to run across a client who loves standards and MS arm twisting so much that they would

RE: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread Craig Stump
This has been discussed ad-nauseum - it is fairly well documented that one of the easiest and most efficient ways to build a website is to _start_ in a standards compliant browsers, then once you're almost done, test in IE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread Mike Pepper
then ensure I adjust accordingly. I know ahat will happen in the Geckos. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Craig Stump Sent: 19 May 2004 01:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...' This has been discussed ad

Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread John Allsopp
Mike, I may suggest you tip that on it's head. Dead serious. I build in IE then ensure I adjust accordingly. I know ahat will happen in the Geckos. Here is why that might not be an ideal solution. Unless you are exceedingly careful, you may well have something that works in IE because of bugs in

Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread Justin French
On 19/05/2004, at 10:49 AM, Mike Pepper wrote: I may suggest you tip that on it's head. Dead serious. I build in IE then ensure I adjust accordingly. I know ahat will happen in the Geckos. If you start with IE then patch to Mozilla et al, then your thinking is too near-sighted. The standards