Hello list,
I picked up last months edition of computer arts,
theres an article about creating liquid css layouts.
dissapointing really, didnt got into detail.
Also there was a review of Dreamweaver 8.
CSS tools beefed up with a new css previewer. Looks good
anybody used it yet?
-kvnmcwebn
Yes, I heard about these. Now if only someone would tell them to center their layouts!On 9/25/05, Jorge Colon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I don't know how long ago they made their switch. Looks like companies are
starting to see how important it is to have a web site that uses
kvnmcwebn wrote:
Also there was a review of Dreamweaver 8.
CSS tools beefed up with a new css previewer. Looks good
anybody used it yet?
I think it is much better than previous versions, but still no good to
render complex layouts
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
Neither of these site scales very well... and try them with javascript
disabled.
Christian Montoya wrote:
Yes, I heard about these.
Now if only someone would tell them to center their layouts!
On 9/25/05, *Jorge Colon* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know
CA? I just wish they'd make a mag where the print is easy to read. I could
go blind trying to read one of their tutorias! Maybe the Print industry
needs some new standards themselves
ByteDreams
http://www.bytedreams.com
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Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver, I could care less about a new version.
If I was to buy an editor I'd probably go with Topstyle or something. For now, I have my trusty Notepad. On 9/25/05, Thierry Koblentz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:kvnmcwebn wrote: Also there was a review of
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 9/25/05, Jorge Colon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know how long ago they made their switch. Looks like companies
are
starting to see how important it is to have a web site that
uses web standards.
Yes, I heard about these.
Now if only
Hi Nick
[quote]The big advantage of em over % for font size is you can use em to
control width of other sections of the web site like line length and
container divs.[/quote]
Oke, i get that. Use em's to determine the width of a div and the div
will resize if the user sets his font size to
But i'm not suggesting to use pixel sizing as an alternative for using em's.
I'm suggesting to use percentages instead of em's.
Actually i'm asking: what is the difference between using percentages or
em's? (when it comes to font-size).
Some of you have been trying to answer that question for
wybe wrote:
what is the difference between using percentages or
em's? (when it comes to font-size).
None. All other things being equal, 1em = 100%, 0.75em = 75%, 0.5em =
50% and so on.
IE has a problem if the topmost size you define is ems, but beyond that
it's all exactly the same.
As
I get that!
thnx
--
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Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
wybe wrote:
what is the difference between using percentages or
em's? (when it comes to font-size).
None. All other things being equal, 1em = 100%, 0.75em = 75%, 0.5em =
50% and so on.
IE has a problem if the
ncowie wrote:
An em is equal to the width of an uppercase M in that font face and
That would be a print media em. For the web, we have a standard
definition: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#em-width
point size, except on the web it is 16 pixels or the if the font size
has been
Christian,
Do you think we should care about what top designers use?
;)
I'm sure we care what they do. I was just making the point that the magazine sounds stupid.
Hey Christian,
Do you use a pencil and a sheet of A4 first, then transcribe that to
notepad? That's clearly what a emrealem
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From: Christian Montoya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 3:33 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review
Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver, I
could care less about a new
Howdy
I'm new to the list but have been lurking for a while. Some great
stuff here. I posted this semi-review of Dreamweaver to the Apple web
dev list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and here it is...
Incidentally, is there some sort of 'real' designer certificate I can
get?! ;)
I've been
Hello all,
I read recently that it wasn't possible to have flash backgrounds so I
thought I'd give it a go. Turns out it is possible but it won't work in
Opera and I'm curious as to why it won't.
http://www.jomni.com/sandbox/flash_bg/
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Jon
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From: Duncan Heal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 9:50 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review
Howdy
I've been test-driving the new version of Dreamweaver - I'd pretty
much sworn off it
Dreamweaver is not for design. It's for the step afterwards when you
take
the work from the designer and make a website out of it. I hope our
designer
will always use Photoshop, not Notepad. But of course that's a personal
preference.
Do most wsg members - who
On 26 Sep 2005, at 9:50 AM, Duncan Heal wrote:
Incidentally, is there some sort of 'real' designer certificate I can
get?! ;)
Yup, it's called a cheque from a satisfied client.
N
___
Omnivision. Websight.
http://www.omnivision.com.au/
They probally meant setting it in CSS. Of course it's possible putting it over the top.Have you tried simple things such as z-index?Do you have a screenshot of what happens for those of us who have yet to install Opera.On 26 Sep 2005, at 00:57, Jon Dawson wrote:Hello all, I read recently that it
I thought it was not possible, since flash is suppose to be rendered
outside the browser and place on top by the OS
at least for windows anyway.
I use flash some times and am not dead against it, I viewed you example
in disbelief not expecting it to work
I did in IE.
I think it would in FF,
If you're that worried about qualifications. There are university
courses etc. I've found a lot of firms look first at qualifcations
before portfolio. Silly but it happens.
On 26 Sep 2005, at 01:13, Nick Gleitzman wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005, at 9:50 AM, Duncan Heal wrote:
Incidentally, is
On 26 Sep 2005, at 10:11 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote:
Do most wsg members - who do both the design and mark up - actually go
to
code when the design is done without looking back?
I try but alway end up going back and forth to make improvments. It
eats
time.
This is probably the biggest benefit of
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From: kvnmcwebn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 10:11 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review
Dreamweaver is not for design. It's for the step
afterwards when you take
the
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver, I could care
less
about a new version.
Who are the top designers?
Al Sparber
PVII
http://www.projectseven.com
Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling
Yeah, it's been nice, that was one of the things I alwasy hated about
slashdot. It got particularly funny and flamish whenever they posted
articles that had to do with web standards.
It's great to see more big sites moving towards web standards, hopefully
Google will get around to it some day.
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
It's probably a bigger problem if one person does both - design and
markup - as you will get new ideas while you do the coding.
Good point!
;)
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
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Thanks but I think my BA in Design Studies and 8 years media
experience just might be enough:)
Interesting the whole qualifications vrs. portfolio thing.
Personally, as a small business owner, qualifications wouldn't mean a
hell of a lot - I'd put more emphasis on what work they can do.
Hi Duncan,
Thanks for the summary of your experiences with Dreamweaver.
nice to know someone read it
I would be interested to hear what you feel is the advantage of
BBEdit over Dreamweaver?
I would have to say it's largely the nice mix of features and
simplicity. The interface is as
That comment was a little short... I think I meant that Dreamweaver isn't a design tool... or something. Nevermind it. On 9/25/05, Al Sparber
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Christian Montoya
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver, I could carelessabout a new
Then we agree to disagree :DFor you I could understand, but I think centered layouts are better for 1024 px viewers seeing a 800 px wide page. Regardless, If that whole space is something other than white space, I don't mind as much. But when I surf, I like websites to be directly in front of
Hi can someone help me to understand this:
Is blockquote not allow here?
error message read:
You have used character data somewhere it is not permitted to
appear. Mistakes that can cause this error include putting text
directly in the body of the document without wrapping it in a
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
From my personal perspective, Dreamweaver
has a fantastic coding view similar to Homesite, with the additional
features of FTP, CSS and Site Management.
Uhm... It *is* HomeSite, which Macromedia bought to add to their
Dreamweaver Suite (they also
Felix Miata wrote:
No, it's not 16px. It's whatever size the user's browser default is
set to. In most modern browsers, it just happens to start at 16px in
most cases, but that is partly by accident, and is subject to user
adjustment in multiple ways.
The W3C has specified 16px/96ppi as
tee wrote:
Hi can someone help me to understand this:
Is blockquote not allow here?
html:
h3.../h3
p.../p
p.../p
blockquote class=right.../blockquote
p.../p
p.../p
You need to have a block level container inside your blockquote...can't
just have pure content. So, for instance:
blockquote
As a one-man show, I disagree with that statement as I find it
advantageous for me to do it all as even in the early design stages I'm
thinking about how this design can be used in a page most effectively
and most easily coded up.
Joe Taylor
http://sitesbyjoe.com
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
It worked in IE, Firefox and Netscape but in Opera it just displays the swf and leaves no trace of the text.
And I agree Sam, having movement like that behind text is one of the
worst things you can do. It was more a Hey this is possible after all
thing. For instance you could create a much
Hi Patrick, thanks a lot. This totally makes sense.
tee
You need to have a block level container inside your
blockquote...can't just have pure content. So, for instance:
blockquote
phere's the quote/p
/blockquote
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Wybe wrote:
Actually i'm asking: what is the difference between using
percentages or em's? (when it comes to font-size).
No difference for just font-size.
The advantage comes in using ems for both font-size and layout dimensions.
Your layout can be proportional to your font size. Read
So what of the view that CSS-based design inhibits creativity? We can of
course see many exceptions to this, but some years ago (think BlueRobot)
CSS designs were significantly more blocky than table layouts of the
same era.
I'm not sure if I subscribe to this thinking or not -- but, playing the
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver
From: Al Sparber
Who are the top designers?
Some bloke called Sparber at Project Seven is one of them I think.
--
Peter Williams
**
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I agree, both in regards to the web development process but also from
a philosophic point of view. To me, the design and mark-up are so
closely entwined that they are really the same thing, especially when
you're aiming to create semantic code (where the code structure is a
parallel of the
Hi Patrick, thanks a lot. This totally makes sense.
tee
You need to have a block level container inside your
blockquote...can't just have pure content. So, for instance:
blockquote
phere's the quote/p
/blockquote
A second thought. Can you point me to articles (non-w3c site)
On 9/25/2005 7:32 PM John Foliot - WATS.ca wrote:
Uhm... It *is* HomeSite, which Macromedia bought to add to their
Dreamweaver Suite (they also bought ColdFusion, which shipped with
HomeSite as the editing environment, eons ago).
HomeSite+ 5.5 is the ColdFusion editor shipping with Studio
I'm not sure if I subscribe to this thinking or not -- but, playing thedevil's advocate, there is evidence to suggest that _more_ designers are
capable of coming up with something creative and aesthetically pleasingwhen working in design view without regard for code. I'm not suggestingCSS
You'd need to be careful with this obviously, but it's handy to know
it can be done. I don't think that a Flash background is necessarily
bad in itself - it all depends on *how* it's done.
On 26/09/05, Jon Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It worked in IE, Firefox and Netscape but in Opera it just
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From: Duncan Heal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 12:29 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review
Design is how something *works* not how something *looks* (read that
again, slowly). The
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 9/25/05, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 9/25/05, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now if only someone would tell them to center their
layouts!
Why?
Because on wide/large screen (I
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That comment was a little short... I think I meant that Dreamweaver
isn't a
design tool... or something. Nevermind it.
No problem :-)
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If you want to have two windows on the screen, shouldn't you resize your browser window? If it's resized, say 800 pixels wide, wouldn't a centered layout look the same as a left layout? Therefore, this is irrelevant to what we are talking about.
Also, please try and imagine how centered and left
Hi,
It seems that screen viewer doesn't show blockquote' content in
italic. Is this supposed to be or I got the markup wrong.
this is the page (in Chinese):
http://www.whpsy.com/synth/view/04113002.htm
The blockquotes are in light olive background within the p tags. /*
Please ignore all
Cingular: Nice job, but not valid - 59 errors in XHTML and an error in
the CSS.
Verizon Wireless: Again, nice job, but 49 errors in XHTML, an error in
the CSS.
They'll get there...
Leslie Riggs
I don't know how long ago they made their switch. Looks like companies are
starting to see how
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