Australia Web Industry Association (Perth) Meeting
When: Wednesday, July 4, 2007. 6:00 PM
Where: The Velvet lounge, Corner of Walcott St and Beaufort St, Mt
Lawley, WA
Cost: FREE
Meet your fellow web professionals. There’s free food, a bar and each
month we host two, ten minute talks from
On 04/07/07, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No. Meta tags are all but depreciated at this point.
That's a bold - and largely incorrect - statement. Perhaps the META tags
that were covered in most Beginning HTML type books a few years ago aren't
needed any more (although
No all meta tags are depreciated, and i cant see them being either, google
still uses the meta=description , as also bruce has pointed out.
Regards
On 7/4/07, Bruce Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 19:04 -0400, Brian Cummiskey wrote:
Joyce Evans wrote:
Is it
Okay Okay, i seemed to have confused a few, i was unable
to read the article so i didn't get the full picture due to the
language its written in.
And yes, HTML, CSS ect don't change to much, i was talking
more about new browsers and their problems (mainly IE), new
stuff like Microformats, which
I'm interested in the front end part of the Dutch group's name.
We were having a discussion at work the other day about which skills you
should have to have in order to call yourself a web developer.
I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following:
* HTML
* CSS
*
It's an interesting question.
I don't like titles, but when I got my business cards printed up for my
current job, I had them call me a web developer because I have the
skills you listed. (And since AJAX requires knowledge of Javascript and
XML, or some other transport format, then I'd say it
hey John :)
I think highlighting AJAX as a technology would be like highlighting POSH.
But that's an interesting point to raise, because there are technical
skill sets and methodological/ philosophical approaches to applying
technical skills. I think this is perhaps where skills like AJAX,
Extensive knowledge on HTML, CSS and Javascript would be what i call a
'front end-developer'.
But even then that isn't enough, front-end developers should have alot of
knowledge in the
Accessiblity and Usability, and if they are can design aswell, thats all the
better.
When i say extensive, i
James Jeffery wrote:
No all meta tags are depreciated, and i cant see them being either, google
still uses the meta=description , as also bruce has pointed out.
Not to pick on you, James, because Bruce already used it, but the word
is deprecated not depreciated.
And before someone picks on
On 7/3/07, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following:
* HTML
* CSS
* Javascript
* XML
* Perl or PHP
* SQL
but what's the minimum set of skills we think someone should have to call
themselves a web developer?
You could make a
John Horner schreef:
I'm interested in the front end part of the Dutch group's name.
We were having a discussion at work the other day about which skills
you should have to have in order to call yourself a web developer.
I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following:
...
To sum things up, for me a front-end developer uses at least one of the
following techniques:
- (X)HTML
- CSS
- JavaScript (client side)
- Flash (?)
I think that even for front-end developer some level of the knowledge
about web servers and HTTP is essential. And cross-browser
Rimantas Liubertas schreef:
...
To sum things up, for me a front-end developer uses at least one of the
following techniques:
- (X)HTML
- CSS
- JavaScript (client side)
- Flash (?)
I think that even for front-end developer some level of the knowledge
about web servers and HTTP is
Sorry, that was a type error, sometimes i wizz so fast on the keyboard i
miss keys
and hit extra keys, must be my fat fingers.
Depreciated means to lessen the value, and the value of meta tags has gone
down
hill from the days when they got abused to boost page rankings, but its not
going to be
This is an interesting discussion. I find I cannot/don't want to call myself a
web designer, and have been using the term developer because of the fact I am
more into and better at php, mysql, xml and the cms aspect than design.
Designer- appearance, structure including web standards layout.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:19:51PM +0200, Sander Aarts wrote:
I alway make skip links to all major parts of the page, being the
different levels of navigation, main content, sub content (side bar) and
sometimes even the breadcrumb if it's not to close to the skip link
menu. I place the
Angel Martin Alganza schreef:
On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:19:51PM +0200, Sander Aarts wrote:
I alway make skip links to all major parts of the page, being the
different levels of navigation, main content, sub content (side bar) and
sometimes even the breadcrumb if it's not to close to the
Although meta tags are depreciated,
I was reading yesterday, you can still include meta information for specific
spiders, like only telling yahoo spiders to go away
On 7/4/07, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, that was a type error, sometimes i wizz so fast on the keyboard i
miss
I think I missed something in the original question. The front end
part. Somebody else categorised some of the technologies as back end
and that got me wondering.
When I said I was a web developer, I meant back end development. So
what is front end development? DHTML? Anything not related to
Although meta tags are depreciated,
I was reading yesterday, you can still include meta information for
specific spiders, like only telling yahoo spiders to go away
I think Google and Yahoo also see rel=nofollow on links
(to prevent the link from being counted for a page's ranking - such as
Hi Mark
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 21:42 +1200, Mark Harris wrote:
James Jeffery wrote:
No all meta tags are depreciated, and i cant see them being either, google
still uses the meta=description , as also bruce has pointed out.
Not to pick on you, James, because Bruce already used it, but
i wouldn't advertise the fact i can do 'ALL' the jobs on my own in the
same time it
would take a team of developers. To much hard work, so little money.
That's an interesting point in itself. Should you try to be a
one-stop-shop? It's certainly a lot easier for the client, but how
good can
On 05/07/07, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like Bruce's suggestion for a break down, but he too acknowledges the
grey area around development. And I'd say that once you touch the db,
you are definitely back end, not front end.
In the end I guess I question the validity of defining
Seona Bellamy wrote:
My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the
company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come up with
the ideas and the layouts and the graphics. The developers are the
people who write code, be that (X)HTML, CSS, JavaScript,
On 5/7/07 9:37 AM, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I missed something in the original question. The front end
part. Somebody else categorised some of the technologies as back end
and that got me wondering.
When I said I was a web developer, I meant back end development. So
On 05/07/07, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seona Bellamy wrote:
My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the
company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come up with
the ideas and the layouts and the graphics. The developers are the
people who write
On 05/07/07, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i wouldn't advertise the fact i can do 'ALL' the jobs on my own in the
same time it
would take a team of developers. To much hard work, so little money.
That's an interesting point in itself. Should you try to be a
one-stop-shop? It's
That's interesting.
I wonder how many of us are in a similar position?
In my role, I work in a multimedia group of 5. (1 illustrator, 1
graphic designer, 1 multi media developer who does some front end web
stuff, our manager and myself).
I maintain many static web pages on our public site, and
On 05/07/07, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do the rest of you do? How many of us *don't* have to be a
jack-of-all-trades?
I guess that partly depends how you define all trades. Now that I no
longer have to do graphical work, I simply consider myself a web developer.
That said,
Seona Bellamy wrote:
On 05/07/07, *dwain* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seona Bellamy wrote:
My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the
company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come
up with
the ideas and the
Lucien Stals schreef:
What do the rest of you do? How many of us *don't* have to be a
jack-of-all-trades?
Me.
I work at a fairly big company (100+ employees, about half of which
build websites, other departments focus on SEO, (email) marketing and
trainings related to internet). I only
Javascript is really starting to move into the realm of
software/application developer. Currently a bleeding edge javascript
programmer has to have extensive knowledge of the entire 'web
platform'. This includes: server/datastore programming, sound
understanding of client/server architecture,
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