Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-18 Thread J4Web
A recent survey in my imagination revealed that: 99% of people don't go wow because, not having the experience of attempting to build anything remotely like it, they don't see how clever it is. Half the rest go wow because, having experience, they see it is clever, but don't quite understand

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-18 Thread john
Well put. For the record, my I'm not worthy comment was merely my manner of speech and should not, of course, be taken literally. Everybody was wowing -- I chose to say something different. Yes, I was (and am) very impressed. ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development

RE: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-18 Thread Justin Bell
-Original Message- From: Andrew Krespanis I know I'm way out on a limb with this one, but the ocean thing really doesn't do anything for me... The diver/flashlight effect is cool (even though it looks a bit nasty as it goes over the gradient) and the rendered ocean floor has really

[WSG] Nested cites?

2004-12-18 Thread Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
I'm beginning to suspect nested cites might make sense sometimes. The XHTML 1.0 spec doesn't specifically prohibit them, and neither does the DTD, nor are the description and examples in the HTML 4.01 spec at odds with what I'm suggesting. Here's an example: Greed is good. Greed works. --

Re: [WSG] Nested cites?

2004-12-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen wrote: I'm beginning to suspect nested cites might make sense sometimes. You may have a point. It's kind of like nested quotes. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

[WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

2004-12-18 Thread Wong Chin Shin
Hi, In addition to making sure our codes adhere to standards, we also face the unenviable task of making sure they appear right in as many UAs are possible. Therefore, I reckon it's not too far off topic here when I ask what are the usual browsers to check against and how in tarnation do some of

[WSG] XHTML 1.1: no more iframes

2004-12-18 Thread Wong Chin Shin
Hi, Since XHTML 1.1 removed support for iframes, may I find out why exactly? Just thinking that there're lots of useful code snippets like WYSIWYG editors that are going to be rendered obsolete by this. Not trying to troll, honest, but it'd be helpful to know why... Thanks Wong

Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

2004-12-18 Thread Bennie Shepherd
You can go down to netscape 4.7 here: http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/archive.jsp Bennie On 12/18/2004 2:12:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, In addition to making sure our codes adhere to standards, we also face the unenviable task of making sure they appear right in as many UAs

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1: no more iframes

2004-12-18 Thread JohnyB
may I find out why exactly? Due to modularization. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for

Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

2004-12-18 Thread JohnyB
I'll show my setup... 1) IE 6 (at least 3 versions of them?), IE 5.5, IE/Mac and below (I've got IE 6 but how do I install IE 5.5 and where do I find it?) IE 4.0, IE 5.01, IE 5.5, IE 6.0, planning IE/Mac via PearPC. http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php 2) Mozilla/Firefox (no issue finding

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1: no more iframes

2004-12-18 Thread JohnyB
Due to modularization. http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/abstract_modules.html#s_iframemodule http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/introduction.html#s_intro -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

2004-12-18 Thread Wayne Godfrey
Ag!! Am I having Firefox problems because the latest Netscape is also on my Mac OSX (Panther) as well? The latest version of Firefox has been acting strangely ever since I installed Netscape (or thereabouts). I can't seem to quit Firefox without it remaining in the menu and is unusable

Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry

2004-12-18 Thread Andrew Krespanis
OT: Does anyone else think the Garden needs some sort of rating system or better categorisation? When there was only ~30 it was fine. But now there's ~520. A lot will never get seen, and that probably includes some really good examples that should be. [also OT] What the garden really needs

Re: [WSG] styling :first-line Pseudo-element

2004-12-18 Thread Andrew Krespanis
You say you want the first line smaller than the second, but your css will do exactly the opposite (once the selectors are fixed): .pmi { font-size: 1.5em; } .pmi p:first-line { font-size: 1.2em; } Let me explain; if your default font size is 10px (it's not, but this is just an eg.),

Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-18 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: adding a title attribute for good measure and increased accessibility, providing your image doesn't use tiny text, and has good contrast between text and background ? I prefer giving my users the ability to increase font, if possible.

RE: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-18 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Matthew Cruickshank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2004 2:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons I haven't ever found any accessibility expert saying images of text are inaccessible when the image is