Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
Geoff Deering wrote: Do others feel there are *elements* of presentation creeping back into the structure? Absolutely, header and footer elements, to my mind, break the semantics of separating the presentation from content. Once you say this element represents the footer for the section it applies to surely you're suggesting the physical layout of the presentation? The idea of aside has more merit since it describes the weight of the content with respect to the rest of the page but doesn't suggest placement on the page. And I agree that the idea of a nav tag seems sound assuming you agree that navigation is inherent to the content. It looks like the draft has been prepared with a standard page layout strongly in mind (see: http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#sectioning) and that may not lend itself well to media that we may not yet have invented to display/experience the content. Cheers Peter -- Peter Asquith http://www.wasabicube.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
On 1/25/06, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could have: html head/head body header/header nav/nav article/article aside/aside footer/footer /body /html If you are going to make a tag for every element on the page you might as well just serve an xml document with a stylesheet. I assume everyone knows this can be done, yes? It's not like we are talking about something new. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
More than headers and footers I was a bit worrried seeing an element named small in the list... though actually there might be idea in adding something that gives negative weight, like an opposites of em and strong unimportant or note maybe?On 1/26/06, Peter Asquith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff Deering wrote: Do others feel there are *elements* of presentation creeping back into the structure?Absolutely, header and footer elements, to my mind, break thesemantics of separating the presentation from content. Once you saythis element represents the footer for the section it applies to surely you're suggesting the physical layout of the presentation?The idea of aside has more merit since it describes the weight ofthe content with respect to the rest of the page but doesn't suggest placement on the page. And I agree that the idea of a nav tag seemssound assuming you agree that navigation is inherent to the content.It looks like the draft has been prepared with a standard page layout strongly in mind (see:http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#sectioning) and that maynot lend itself well to media that we may not yet have invented to display/experience the content.CheersPeter--Peter Asquithhttp://www.wasabicube.com
Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
At 11:52 PM 1/25/2006, Geoff Deering wrote: header/header nav/nav article/article aside/aside footer/footer Do others feel there are *elements* of presentation creeping back into the structure? ... The second does this by the semantically defining the presentation structure. (IMHO) Geoff, You can certainly make a good argument that header and footer denote positional placement on the page -- header means at the beginning and footer means at the end -- but I don't see how nav, article, and aside convey presentation -- they individuate the various parts of the page and convey the semantic meaning of each, but communicate nothing about how they'll be presented. How does nav semantically define the presentation structure while table, ol, and h1 do not? Curiously, Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] what cms system
hey buddy, joomla its the first CMS to apply a valid xhtml+css plus Ajax admin functions... try do get it. http://joomla.org here you can find a lot of cms www.opensourcecms.com cheers 2006/1/18, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hello all,just a quick question,What one of these cms systems should i use?BTW im not a programmer.DrupalGeeklogMambo Open SourcePHP-Nuke phpWCMSphpWebSitePost-NukeSiteframeTYPO3XoopsThese are the options I can automatically install with a hosting package. Should i use one of these or try and setup text pattern on my own?-bestkvnmcwebn**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **-- Alex Freire de AquinoGerente de projetos Orbitcom consultoria em TecnologiaMiami Office [Orlando] +1 305 200-0736 Ext. 9157 UK London0870 068 1966São Paulo +55 11 6864 1898Mobile +55 11 8514 3628http://www.orbitcom.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED]---
Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
On 1/26/06, Miika Mäkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More than headers and footers I was a bit worrried seeing an element named small in the list... though actually there might be idea in adding something that gives negative weight, like an opposites of em and strong unimportant or note maybe? Miika, small is presentational markup, it makes the text smaller. No semantics as far as I know. It's also not new. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
Christian, that was my point... small atleast *sounds* presentational (thought it could indicate text that is less important) and that was why I wasn't happy to see it's included in HTML5... http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-smallOn 1/26/06, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 1/26/06, Miika Mäkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More than headers and footers I was a bit worrried seeing an element named small in the list... though actually there might be idea in adding something that gives negative weight, like an opposites of em and strong unimportant or note maybe?Miika, small is presentational markup, it makes the text smaller. Nosemantics as far as I know. It's also not new.Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] what cms system
Alexorbit wrote: hey buddy, joomla its the first CMS to apply a valid xhtml+css plus Ajax admin functions... try do get it. http://joomla.org here you can find a lot of cms www.opensourcecms.com http://www.opensourcecms.com This is a pretty old thread. Can the admins please shift it to the WSG-CMS list as it seems to have resurrected itself ? The WSG-CMS list is a much better place to discuss web standards CMS architecture than using the main WSG list. Thanks Lawrence -- Lawrence Meckan Absalom Media Mob: (04) 1047 9633 ABN: 49 286 495 792 http://www.absalom.biz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Screen-Print-Wireless
Miika Mäkinen wrote: I remember seeing one test on the @media handheld support and found it: http://htmldog.com/ptg/archives/55.php and a conclusion at http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/56.php I guess the main issue still is that sizable chunk of mobile browser share (Pocket IE) also apply styles that are supposed to be specific to the screen media type.. I need to do some stuff for mobile later this year as well, and so far I'm planning to send mobiles different pages than desktop browsers. Also it's not that easy to make content that works on sooo different resolutions AND you should remember that the connection speed of a mobile is usually slow e.g. sending lot of content that is hidden using stylesheets seems like a waste. I think that it depends on the type of content you have... articles and blogs etc. could probably be sent the same to all browsers, while more of an application still will need different versions. Would resolution dependent CSS switching also work within this model ? http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2006/01/19/ The concept I'm working on using this tech is as follows: 1) For Pocket IE and other PDAs, run a basic 200 pixel wide design under screen media type, then step up to 640 by 480, 800 by 600 and so on for normal (IE/Fox/Opera/Safari) browser rendering 2) run a cut down version of the 200 pixel screen model for the handheld media type. 3) Run a boilerplate print version aimed at correctly printing everything in order at A4 or Letter. Would this method also work ? Sure, it looks like a lot of work and possible duplication, but then you could also extend to the tv and tty media types inside this model.. Lawrence -- Lawrence Meckan Absalom Media Mob: (04) 1047 9633 ABN: 49 286 495 792 http://www.absalom.biz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
Peter Asquith wrote: Geoff Deering wrote: Do others feel there are *elements* of presentation creeping back into the structure? Absolutely, header and footer elements, to my mind, break the semantics of separating the presentation from content. Once you say this element represents the footer for the section it applies to surely you're suggesting the physical layout of the presentation? The idea of aside has more merit since it describes the weight of the content with respect to the rest of the page but doesn't suggest placement on the page. And I agree that the idea of a nav tag seems sound assuming you agree that navigation is inherent to the content. It looks like the draft has been prepared with a standard page layout strongly in mind (see: http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#sectioning) and that may not lend itself well to media that we may not yet have invented to display/experience the content. Cheers Peter The logical extension of your argument is that we should never use h1..h6 either! Isn't it? Bob McClelland www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
Christian Montoya wrote: If you are going to make a tag for every element on the page you might as well just serve an xml document with a stylesheet. I assume everyone knows this can be done, yes? It's not like we are talking about something new. I'd be really interested in knowing how Christian : can you give a link to start me off? Thanks, Bob McClelland www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
Christian Montoya wrote: On 1/25/06, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could have: html head/head body header/header nav/nav article/article aside/aside footer/footer /body /html If you are going to make a tag for every element on the page you might as well just serve an xml document with a stylesheet. I assume everyone knows this can be done, yes? It's not like we are talking about something new. The problem with that approach is that generic XML, even with a stylesheet applied, doesn't have any formally defined semantics. It's not till the elements have been defined in a spec somewhere and implemented by UAs that they really become useful for anything more than just styling in a visual UA. Without formally defined semantics, you may as well just be using presentational HTML elements, which have precisely the same meaning: none at all! For example, with a nav element defined and implemented as a section of navigation, a UA could provide an easy way to either skip over it or skip to it, without relying on the author having to use skip links which would be good for screen readers. Likewise with the article element, which will usually contain the most interesting content on the page. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Google and HTML5
Christian Montoya wrote: On 1/25/06, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could have: html head/head body header/header nav/nav article/article aside/aside footer/footer /body /html If you are going to make a tag for every element on the page you might as well just serve an xml document with a stylesheet. I assume everyone knows this can be done, yes? It's not like we are talking about something new. Yeah, I know. The point is that these five elements are standardised in the Web Apps 1.0 Spec [HTML 5]. If you went down the XML route, you'd still need to write a spec or a DTD if you wanted your elements to become standardised. Geoff. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] what cms system [CLOSED AGAIN]
Please keep CMS discussion to the CMS list. Log into the WSG website and adjust your mail list preferences please. This thread was closed a week ago. Peter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AlexorbitSent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:02 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] what cms system hey buddy, joomla its the first CMS to apply a valid xhtml+css plus Ajax admin functions... try do get it. http://joomla.orghere you can find a lot of cms www.opensourcecms.comcheers 2006/1/18, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hello all,just a quick question,What one of these cms systems should i use?BTW im not a programmer.DrupalGeeklogMambo Open SourcePHP-Nuke phpWCMSphpWebSitePost-NukeSiteframeTYPO3XoopsThese are the options I can automatically install with a hosting package. Should i use one of these or try and setup text pattern on my own?-bestkvnmcwebn**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help**-- Alex Freire de AquinoGerente de projetos Orbitcom consultoria em TecnologiaMiami Office [Orlando] +1 305 200-0736 Ext. 9157 UK London0870 068 1966São Paulo +55 11 6864 1898Mobile +55 11 8514 3628http://www.orbitcom.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED]---
[WSG] Font Replacement With PHP
Hi, I recall, although from where unsure, a standards compliant method of embedding a font within a site with PHP. Can someone shed some insight on this? __ Respectfully, Christopher Kennon Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep bushidodeep (http://bushidodeep.com/) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5
On 1/26/06, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Montoya wrote: If you are going to make a tag for every element on the page you might as well just serve an xml document with a stylesheet. I assume everyone knows this can be done, yes? It's not like we are talking about something new. I'd be really interested in knowing how Christian : can you give a link to start me off? Just one example, I know there are others: http://www.w3.org/Style/styling-XML -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Font Replacement With PHP
sIFR would probably be the method to which you are referring. http://wiki.novemberborn.net/sifr/What+is+sIFR Justin On 1/26/06, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I recall, although from where unsure, a standards compliant method of embedding a font within a site with PHP. Can someone shed some insight on this? __ Respectfully, Christopher Kennon Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep bushidodeep (http://bushidodeep.com/) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Font Replacement With PHP
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[WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
Guys and Gals, There's certainly a mass of hype surrounding Ruby these days. It raises this question for me. I usually still use classic ASP for my server-side stuff, but have begun playing with PHP as well, since ASP is obviously over whether its a good tool or not. Now Ruby is pounding on my door, claiming to be the next best thing. Are many of you already using Ruby? Thus far, I've only seen that it increases the add/update/delete coding speed. If the general feeling among is that this will become the method of choice in the future, perhaps I should come on board If you want to keep this list clean, just email me your thoughts if you like. Thanks, -- Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
In my, suitably humble, opinion, PHP 'is a good thing' and so I'm going to keep using it for the foreseeable future. The only thing that'll make me really use RUBY is when people start wanting sites upgraded when they are already using it. This may come across as a bit of a counter-revolutionary stance, but PHP is mature code and is well known to many people. RUBY is largely unsupported by mainstream hosts and not very well known by the masses. Oh and BTW. If anyone wants to pay for me to take a course in Ruby, I'll happily change my arguments :) Stephen On 26 Jan 2006, at 14:49, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: Guys and Gals, There's certainly a mass of hype surrounding Ruby these days. It raises this question for me. I usually still use classic ASP for my server-side stuff, but have begun playing with PHP as well, since ASP is obviously over whether its a good tool or not. Now Ruby is pounding on my door, claiming to be the next best thing. Are many of you already using Ruby? Thus far, I've only seen that it increases the add/update/delete coding speed. If the general feeling among is that this will become the method of choice in the future, perhaps I should come on board If you want to keep this list clean, just email me your thoughts if you like. Thanks, -- Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
As far as I have read and tried Ruby, it is basically just a new language, in my opinion PHP is still the best Server Side Language around, but perhaps I should do some more tries on Ruby as I have thus far. Besides, Ruby on Rails is a simple form of Ruby, where very little programming is required, but gives you less control of it, in my opinion. But I thank thee again for bring up the language in question. Regards, Svip - sviip.dk On 26/01/06, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys and Gals, There's certainly a mass of hype surrounding Ruby these days. It raises this question for me. I usually still use classic ASP for my server-side stuff, but have begun playing with PHP as well, since ASP is obviously over whether its a good tool or not. Now Ruby is pounding on my door, claiming to be the next best thing. Are many of you already using Ruby? Thus far, I've only seen that it increases the add/update/delete coding speed. If the general feeling among is that this will become the method of choice in the future, perhaps I should come on board If you want to keep this list clean, just email me your thoughts if you like. Thanks, -- Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: [...] since ASP is obviously over whether its a good tool or not. [...] Thanks, www.asp.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
Joseph, on Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 15:49 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: I usually still use classic ASP for my server-side stuff, but have begun playing with PHP as well, since ASP is obviously over whether its a good tool or not. Now Ruby is pounding on my door, claiming to be the next best thing. Are many of you already using Ruby? Thus far, I've only seen that it increases the add/update/delete coding speed. This question is definitely off topic. Webstandards are: Structural Languages Extensible Hypertext Markup Language (XHTML) 1.0 XHTML 1.1 Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.0 Presentation Languages Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) Level 1 CSS Level 2 CSS Level 3 Object Models Document Object Model (DOM) Level 1 (Core) DOM Level 2 Scripting Languages ECMAScript 262 (the standard version of JavaScript) Additional Presentation Languages (Markup) Mathematical Markup Language (MathML) 1.01 MathML 2.0 Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) 1.0 I would add XSLT to this list. But to answer your question in short words: Ruby is worth a look, especially with the ruby on rails framework. I would choose the language which is best for my project. If it is a small project which has to be developed in short time. Ruby with ROR is the first choice. If the project gets larger and has to be extended by other persons, I'd probably choose PHP. If it is a large scale enterprise project, I prefer Java with Cocoon and/or Spring. regards Martin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Cite in blockquote
I looked from attributes in the blockquote tag on w3schools.com (which I use when I forget some tags, since they have a pretty good reference list). It said that 'cite' is an attribute for the source of a blockquote, which makes sense. However, when I tried to use it, I saw no difference, not something when I hovered the blockquote or right clicked. I am yet only tried Firefox, as I haven't bothered installing other browsers yet. I know Mozilla is installed, but I suppose the Gecko engine does the same in both browsers. But my question is; does any browser use the cite attribute in the blockquotes? Regards, Svip - sviip.dk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
I'll echo Wayne's comment. Has nobody heard of ASP.Net or .NET 2.0 Framework. It's the only serious rival to Java and PHP. If you are developing server side code then .NET/Java/PHP are the way to go. If you want a rich user experience with application like UI then ajax/atlas will interface with the server side code without posting back to the server and refreshing the page. The only limit is your imagination! All of this can produce standards based semantically correct output with a rich UI. I think this is a reasonable expectation for larger developments but it will filter down to small projects too in time. Oh ... Someone already called it Web 2.0! Hype maybe, but all of this combined is what we all will be doing before long. I don't consider this to be off topic. Surely standards are there to preserve the user experience. Oh and BTW. If anyone wants to pay for me to take a course in Ruby, I'll happily change my arguments :) So that makes you qualified to speak then? Hmm Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: 26 January 2006 14:50 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my! Guys and Gals, There's certainly a mass of hype surrounding Ruby these days. It raises this question for me. I usually still use classic ASP for my server-side stuff, but have begun playing with PHP as well, since ASP is obviously over whether its a good tool or not. Now Ruby is pounding on my door, claiming to be the next best thing. Are many of you already using Ruby? Thus far, I've only seen that it increases the add/update/delete coding speed. If the general feeling among is that this will become the method of choice in the future, perhaps I should come on board If you want to keep this list clean, just email me your thoughts if you like. Thanks, -- Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Cite in blockquote
Quoting Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But my question is; does any browser use the cite attribute in the blockquotes? None that I'm aware of, no. -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
On 1/26/06 11:20 AM, Peter Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the only serious rival to Java and PHP. ColdFusion is a much easier language and far more powerful... -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
On 1/26/06, Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, Ruby on Rails is a simple form of Ruby, where very little programming is required, but gives you less control of it, in my opinion. But I thank thee again for bring up the language in question. No, Ruby on Rails is a framework built in Ruby which is meant to automate or otherwise reduce the amount of work needed to build database-driven web applications. Programming for Rails-based applications is still done in Ruby, and can use any aspect of the full Ruby language. -- May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. -- George Carlin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
Ok, SORRY for starting this thread, I didn't intend to start a classic argument over server languages. I just wanted to get a feel for how many of us standards guys are adopting Ruby, or they plan to stick with PHP/other in the foreseeable future. Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Livingston wrote: On 1/26/06 11:20 AM, Peter Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the only serious rival to Java and PHP. ColdFusion is a much easier language and far more powerful... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Cite in blockquote
I believe Jeremy Keith or PPK has a javascript that pulls the cite attribute out of the blockquote and places it as a link after the blockquote. It looks like a research paper citation/footnote. ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:23 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Cite in blockquote Quoting Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But my question is; does any browser use the cite attribute in the blockquotes? None that I'm aware of, no. -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re.dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Cite in blockquote
Hello Svip, On 26 Jan 2006 at 17:10, Svip wrote: But my question is; does any browser use the cite attribute in the blockquotes? I know a little sample from the german Html-bible SelfHtml: Look at http://de.selfhtml.org/html/text/anzeige/blockquote_cite.htm Right-Click on the blockquote 'Die Energie des Verstehens' shows a new Option 'Properties' with the reference. This works with FireFox 1.5 and Netscape 7.2, not with the IE6. Regards Juergen Auer Jürgen Auer, http://www.sql-und-xml.de/ Web-Datenbanken zum Mieten Friedenstr. 37, 10 249 Berlin Tel.: (030) 420 20 060 Fax: (030) 420 19 819 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Font Replacement With PHP
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Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
It's not about Ruby or PHP, this is not a case for a language. Only frameworks matter. So the standards guys just pick a RAD (aka just add water...) framemork, be it Ruby on Rails for Ruby or CakePHP (Symfony, Claw, Zephyr) for PHP, that are pretty much the same effective. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Cite in blockquote
I think the actual answer should be. The cite attribute is not displayed by any browser. However it is available if you right click on the blockquote and look at the properties. It is also available for some future semantic web research. I use it often since it only takes a few moments to add it and I never know who will actually use it or see it. I think of it as a future easter egg. It's also good for research papers or your own notes for going back and finding the original sources. And... you can use the js to display it on the page. Has anyone tried using nicetitles.js to display the cite attribute on hover? It should be a fairly easy modification. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juergen Auer Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Cite in blockquote Hello Svip, On 26 Jan 2006 at 17:10, Svip wrote: But my question is; does any browser use the cite attribute in the blockquotes? I know a little sample from the german Html-bible SelfHtml: Look at http://de.selfhtml.org/html/text/anzeige/blockquote_cite.htm Right-Click on the blockquote 'Die Energie des Verstehens' shows a new Option 'Properties' with the reference. This works with FireFox 1.5 and Netscape 7.2, not with the IE6. Regards Juergen Auer Jürgen Auer, http://www.sql-und-xml.de/ Web-Datenbanken zum Mieten Friedenstr. 37, 10 249 Berlin Tel.: (030) 420 20 060 Fax: (030) 420 19 819 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Cite in blockquote
Ted Drake wrote: I believe Jeremy Keith or PPK has a javascript that pulls the cite attribute out of the blockquote and places it as a link after the blockquote. Here's a quick'n'dirty version: http://24ways.org/advent/dom-scripting-your-way-to-better-blockquotes There's a longer version in my book which puts the attribution outside the blockquote, which is semantically more correct but a little trickier to implement. -- Jeremy Keith a d a c t i o http://adactio.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
ColdFusion is built in Java... On 1/26/06, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/26/06 11:20 AM, Peter Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the only serious rival to Java and PHP. ColdFusion is a much easier language and far more powerful... -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Cite in blockquote
It said that 'cite' is an attribute for the source of a blockquote,
which makes sense. However, when I tried to use it, I saw no
difference, not something when I hovered the blockquote or right
clicked.
It is also possible to display the cite attribute using attribute selectors,
(except in the wondrous IE). A quick example:
HTML
-
blockquote cite=http://www.site.com;
pLorem ipsum dolor /p
/blockquote
CSS
blockquote[cite]:after
{
content: Source: attr(cite);
display: block;
}
The result should show the following at the end of the blockquote contents
(in attribute selector supporting browsers):
Source: http://www.site.com;
Thanks
Russ
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Thread Closed : Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
Hi all I'm closing this thread as it is off topic for the list. Feel free to discuss the use of server side languages in relation to web standards on the list. X vs Y is better left off the list as it really has nothing to do with web standards (read the guidelines). Thanks James --- admin. On 1/27/06, Justin Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ColdFusion is built in Java... On 1/26/06, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/26/06 11:20 AM, Peter Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the only serious rival to Java and PHP. ColdFusion is a much easier language and far more powerful... -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Cite in blockquote
Oh my, that is extremely well, I like that. Thank you very much for
that information. :)
Is it possible to export it as a link (a) instead of plain text
using content:?
Regards,
Svip - sviip.dk
On 26/01/06, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It said that 'cite' is an attribute for the source of a blockquote,
which makes sense. However, when I tried to use it, I saw no
difference, not something when I hovered the blockquote or right
clicked.
It is also possible to display the cite attribute using attribute selectors,
(except in the wondrous IE). A quick example:
HTML
-
blockquote cite=http://www.site.com;
pLorem ipsum dolor /p
/blockquote
CSS
blockquote[cite]:after
{
content: Source: attr(cite);
display: block;
}
The result should show the following at the end of the blockquote contents
(in attribute selector supporting browsers):
Source: http://www.site.com;
Thanks
Russ
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[WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes
Trying to understand where I have gone sooo wrong This looks ok in IE (surprise eh?) however Mozilla, Opera and Mac IE 5.1 / OS8.6 it breaks and looks awful. I have now stripped the css to the bare minimum for requirements and uploaded a fresh copy of it, it validates but it doesn't mean anything. Thanks in advance for any/all help :) Regards ~Veine Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes
You'll need to supply so links Veine. :) Cheers, Stuart ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes
Hey Veine Unfortunately, without being able to see it, it means as little to us as it does to you! A link to the site/page in question would be useful. Regards Scott Swabey Design Development Director Lafinboy Productions www.lafinboy.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Veine Vikberg Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 10:55 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes -DUH
http://www.jpfco.com/testdesign/new/ been one of those days I'm afraid ;) -- Original Message -- From: Veine Vikberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:55:05 -0500 Trying to understand where I have gone sooo wrong This looks ok in IE (surprise eh?) however Mozilla, Opera and Mac IE 5.1 / OS8.6 it breaks and looks awful. I have now stripped the css to the bare minimum for requirements and uploaded a fresh copy of it, it validates but it doesn't mean anything. Thanks in advance for any/all help :) Regards ~Veine Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes -DUH
Hello Veine, add a 'clear:both;' to ..rightcolumnfront and #contentlow Regards Juergen Auer Jürgen Auer, http://www.sql-und-xml.de/ Web-Datenbanken zum Mieten Friedenstr. 37, 10 249 Berlin Tel.: (030) 420 20 060 Fax: (030) 420 19 819 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
I am tearing my hair out over the decision on how to best format following data: We start with a list of items and subitems: Item 1 - SubItem 1.1 - SubItem 1.1.1 - SubItem 1.1.2 - Subitem 1.2 Item 2 - SubItem 2.1 ... Sounds very much like a collection of LIs, right? Well, the problem is that for each Item and SubItem we will have links that allow the user to edit them: [Add] [Edit] [Delete] Item 1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1.1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1.2 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.2 ... Now to me that looks like a table with column headings Add, Edit, Delete, Item Name. But if I do that I will loose the logic of the lists, which really should remain. Hmmm. I really cannot come up with a sensible solutions for this, that does not involve a ridiculous amount of tags. Any suggestions? Thanks! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
At 04:46 PM 1/26/2006, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: [Add] [Edit] [Delete] Item 1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1.1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1.2 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.2 ... Andreas, I could argue either list or table, but I'd be inclined to make it a list. I see the three editing functions being part of each list item: ul li dl dtItem 1/dt dda href=?add=123Add/a/dd dda href=?edit=123Edit/a/dd dda href=?delete=123Delete/a/dd /dl /li ... /ul This might seem taggy, but doesn't take a whole lot more markup than a table would. Nesting the ULs will also maintain the semantic structure of the complex list. Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
You're saying that Add is a definition of Item 1 dtItem 1/dt dda href=?add=123Add/a/dd dda href=?edit=123Edit/a/dd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
Hmm I'd strongly contest a definition list. Maybe nested UL's would be better... but Item 1 cannot be sensibly/reasonably _defined_ as Add, or Edit, or Delete. On 1/27/06, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas, I could argue either list or table, but I'd be inclined to make it a list. I see the three editing functions being part of each list item: ul li dl dtItem 1/dt dda href=?add=123Add/a/dd dda href=?edit=123Edit/a/dd dda href=?delete=123Delete/a/dd /dl /li ... /ul This might seem taggy, but doesn't take a whole lot more markup than a table would. Nesting the ULs will also maintain the semantic structure of the complex list. Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
The problem with putting the links into a nested UL is that the list wouldn't make sense anymore in the end. We would have the subitems in nested ULs as well as the links. Links and subitems cannot be treated semantically the same: li Item 1 ul liAdd/li liEdit/li liDelete/li /ul ul liSubItem 1.1/li /ul /li The definition list manages to treat the links differently, but of course they really are no definition. We need a whole new animal here, I think: li Item 1 XYZ itemAdd/item itemEdit/item itemDelete/item /XYZ ul liSubItem 1.1/li /ul /li What to use for XYZ, I guess is the question. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Street Hmm I'd strongly contest a definition list. Maybe nested UL's would be better... but Item 1 cannot be sensibly/reasonably _defined_ as Add, or Edit, or Delete. On 1/27/06, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas, I could argue either list or table, but I'd be inclined to make it a list. I see the three editing functions being part of each list item: ul li dl dtItem 1/dt dda href=?add=123Add/a/dd dda href=?edit=123Edit/a/dd dda href=?delete=123Delete/a/dd /dl /li ... /ul This might seem taggy, but doesn't take a whole lot more markup than a table would. Nesting the ULs will also maintain the semantic structure of the complex list. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
At 05:39 PM 1/26/2006, Paul Bennett wrote: You're saying that Add is a definition of Item 1 dtItem 1/dt dda href=?add=123Add/a/dd dda href=?edit=123Edit/a/dd At 05:44 PM 1/26/2006, Joshua Street wrote: Hmm I'd strongly contest a definition list. Maybe nested UL's would be better... but Item 1 cannot be sensibly/reasonably _defined_ as Add, or Edit, or Delete. You're doubtless correct... but... to be picky, the HTML 4.01 spec says that dd is a description: Definition lists vary only slightly from other types of lists in that list items consist of two parts: a term and a description. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 Can an action verb that applies to an object be considered to be part of a description of that object? Hmm, I suppose it is a stretch. So is the alternative unstructured content? liItem 1 a href=#Add/a a href=#Edit/a a href=#Delete/a /li *Sigh* Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
So is the alternative unstructured content? liItem 1 a href=#Add/a a href=#Edit/a a href=#Delete/a /li Maybe a combination of nested ordered and unordered lists would be more suitable. ol liItem 1 ul liAdd/li liEdit/li liDelete/li /ul ol liItem 1.1 ul liAdd/li liEdit/li liDelete/li /ul /li /ol /li /ol Whereby you have an ordered list of items, and each item can have a related unordered list of actions, an ordered lists or sub-items, each of which can in turn have it's own related unordered list of actions and ordered list of sub-items. Regards Scott Swabey Design Development Director Lafinboy Productions www.lafinboy.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Staring at the CSS with bloodshot eyes
Even with the link supplied - either all of you are asleep - or am as stumped as I am at this point ;) ~Veine Link again: http://www.jpfco.com/testdesign/new/ -- Original Message -- From: Scott Swabey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:58:32 +1100 Sent via the WebMail system at vikberg.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Swabey Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 2:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels So is the alternative unstructured content? liItem 1 a href=#Add/a a href=#Edit/a a href=#Delete/a /li Maybe a combination of nested ordered and unordered lists would be more suitable. ol liItem 1 ul liAdd/li liEdit/li liDelete/li /ul ol liItem 1.1 ul liAdd/li liEdit/li liDelete/li /ul /li /ol /li /ol Whereby you have an ordered list of items, and each item can have a related unordered list of actions, an ordered lists or sub-items, each of which can in turn have it's own related unordered list of actions and ordered list of sub-items. Yes, I have got the feeling this is the best solution. I already tried this one, but did it other way around (ordered list for te links). But having a look at your solution I prefer to give the Items and Subitems the ordered list and the links the unordered list. Thanks for all the comments, guys! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
Could you do something like ul liItem 1 div class=editfunctions[Add] [Edit] [Delete]/div/li ul liSubitem 1.1 div class=editfunctions[Add] [Edit] [Delete]/div/li ... /ul ... /ul and use css positioning to move the div to the left of the list? -Original Message- From: Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 11:46 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels I am tearing my hair out over the decision on how to best format following data: We start with a list of items and subitems: Item 1 - SubItem 1.1 - SubItem 1.1.1 - SubItem 1.1.2 - Subitem 1.2 Item 2 - SubItem 2.1 ... Sounds very much like a collection of LIs, right? Well, the problem is that for each Item and SubItem we will have links that allow the user to edit them: [Add] [Edit] [Delete] Item 1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1.1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1.2 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.2 ... Now to me that looks like a table with column headings Add, Edit, Delete, Item Name. But if I do that I will loose the logic of the lists, which really should remain. Hmmm. I really cannot come up with a sensible solutions for this, that does not involve a ridiculous amount of tags. Any suggestions? Thanks! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
How about this:
style type=text/cssli span {float:right; margin-right:30%;}/style
ul
lispan[ Add | Edit | Delete ] /spanItem 1
ul
lispan[ Add | Edit | Delete ] /spanSubItem 1.1
ul
lispan[ Add | Edit | Delete ] /spanSubItem 1.1.1/li
lispan[ Add | Edit | Delete ] /spanSubItem 1.1.2/li
/ul
/li
lispan[ Add | Edit | Delete ] /spanSubItem 1.2/li
/ul
/li
lispan[ Add | Edit | Delete ] /spanItem 2
ul
lispan[ Add | Edit | Delete ] /spanSubItem 2.1/li
/ul
/li
/ul
You could even do a little DOM scripting to add the edit menu dynamically when
an item is clicked.
cheers,
Geoff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Addictive Media]
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 11:46 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
I am tearing my hair out over the decision on how to best
format following
data:
We start with a list of items and subitems:
Item 1
- SubItem 1.1
- SubItem 1.1.1
- SubItem 1.1.2
- Subitem 1.2
Item 2
- SubItem 2.1
...
Sounds very much like a collection of LIs, right? Well, the
problem is that
for each Item and SubItem we will have links that allow the
user to edit
them:
[Add] [Edit] [Delete] Item 1
[Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1
[Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1.1
[Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1.2
[Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.2
...
Now to me that looks like a table with column headings Add, Edit,
Delete, Item Name. But if I do that I will loose the
logic of the lists,
which really should remain.
Hmmm. I really cannot come up with a sensible
solutions for this,
that does not involve a ridiculous amount of tags.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
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