Re: [WSG] Mocking up web interfaces

2007-05-26 Thread Hureen Raza
Well i am designer also knowing the HTML and CSS Stuff. So my duty is to design the template based on client requirements. First of all i do paper work, then incorporate it in to a prototype using Photoshop then show it to client for approval if approved hand over the HTML page with style

Re: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

2007-05-26 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello Thierry, What about marking up * used in forms with ABBR elements? In your example you left the text instruction. pFields marked with * (asterisk) are required./p Thus I'd say further treatment is unnecessary. And if you change that by removing the text instruction, there's no

Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

2007-05-26 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, I don't quite see how you get your possible interpretation. To summarise what it says: 1. for implicit association, enclose the form control in the label. 2. if you use implicit association (i.e. enclose the form control in the label) it can only contain one control element. It is

[WSG] Detecting Anti-Virus Software

2007-05-26 Thread Bas V
Hi Guys, Firstly I do apologise if this posting is not in line with this list's guidelines. I'm struggling with a problem and hope that you can give me some advice; This is my problem story: My client's website is rather busy with 30,000+ unique visitors each month. There are a few

Re: [WSG] Detecting Anti-Virus Software

2007-05-26 Thread Jamie Collins
Your correct its not inline with the guidelines and has nothing to do with Web Standards what so ever. Why did you post it if you knew that it was against the standards? Peter sent out this email last week to everyone, so you have no excuse. http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm If

ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Detecting Anti-Virus Software

2007-05-26 Thread Lea de Groot
This post is off topic and the thread is now closed. If you would like to help Bas, please email him off list warmly Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Group On Sat, 26 May 2007 16:35:04 +0800, Bas V wrote: Now my questions to you: a) Is there a way to detect which anti-virus software is used by a

Re: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

2007-05-26 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 26 May 2007, at 06:42:08, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Yes, the second title attribute is missing because of a post of yours in the thread Acronym tag usage :) :-) I think however that, if you adopt this approach, this may be one of those cases where it might make sense to expand the

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Paul Collins
OK, thanks for your help, I just thought there may be some kind of HTML tag that adds seperate semantic value to the introductory paragraph, to differentiate it from the strong text in the body, like the big tag for example. I will probably use the strong tag then. Cheers Paul On 25/05/07,

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Jamie Collins
Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Presentation should be in HTML and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. On 5/26/07, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, thanks for your help, I just thought there may be some

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Jamie Collins
TYPO ALERT! Presentation should be in CSS and Content in HTML. God knows what made me type HTML twice. On 5/26/07, Jamie Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Presentation should be in HTML and content in HTML. use span

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Rob Kirton
Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Presentation should be in HTML and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. I would argue to the contrary. Strong has much more meaning than a span class. The word /tag itself implies

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Jamie Collins wrote: Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Aeh...excuse me? Since when? Presentation should be in CSS and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. Sorry, but that's rubbish. If text *needs to be

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Jamie Collins
Patrick, It all depends on the person using it. I have seen alot of people use strong to bold general peices of text. There is a big difference in making text bold and empasising its meaning. If the use for stong is a valid use, then i wont disagree. I must have read the first post wrong, i

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Tim Offenstein
Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Presentation should be in HTML and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. I would argue to the contrary. Strong has much more meaning than a span class. The word /tag itself implies

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Paul Novitski
At 5/26/2007 05:59 AM, Paul Collins wrote: OK, thanks for your help, I just thought there may be some kind of HTML tag that adds seperate semantic value to the introductory paragraph, to differentiate it from the strong text in the body, like the big tag for example. I will probably use the

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Designer
Paul Novitski wrote: I think the problem with using strong to demarcate your introduction isn't that strong is presentational (it's not) but rather that it does nothing to express what's different semantically about an introduction. You may wish to present the introductory paragraph in a

Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

2007-05-26 Thread Sander Aarts
Hi Stuart, Stuart Foulstone schreef: I don't quite see how you get your possible interpretation. To summarise what it says: 1. for implicit association, enclose the form control in the label. 2. if you use implicit association (i.e. enclose the form control in the label) it can only contain

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 26 May 2007, at 18:04:38, Designer wrote: Presumably, p title=introduction and p id=introduction would do the trick also? Using the title attribute means pointing-device-users would get a tooltip saying introduction obscuring the text if they happened to have the cursor hovering over

RE: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Steve Green
Totally agree. Applying 'title' attributes to block level elements is a nightmare for users of screen magnifiers because they can't figure out how to get rid of the tooltip whilst keeping the content in view. You would be surprised how much of the screen is obscured by a tooltip at magnification

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Designer
Steve Green wrote: Totally agree. Applying 'title' attributes to block level elements is a nightmare for users of screen magnifiers because they can't figure out how to get rid of the tooltip whilst keeping the content in view. You would be surprised how much of the screen is obscured by a

RE: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

2007-05-26 Thread Thierry Koblentz
On Behalf Of Sander Aarts ... English is not my native language adds to my misinterpretation though. Welcome to the club ;) --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines:

RE: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

2007-05-26 Thread Thierry Koblentz
On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com What about marking up * used in forms with ABBR elements? In your example you left the text instruction. pFields marked with * (asterisk) are required./p Thus I'd say further treatment is unnecessary. And if you change that by removing the text

Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text

2007-05-26 Thread Paul Novitski
At 5/26/2007 10:04 AM, Designer wrote: Presumably, p title=introduction and p id=introduction would do the trick also? My own preference would be for the latter. Of course, if you are referring to a GROUP of paragraphs constituting the introduction, then Paul's class would have to be used.

Re: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

2007-05-26 Thread Terrence Wood
most screen reader users don't expand abbreviations, they would only get asterisk spoken to them. They might wonder what its significance is. Any user might wonder what an asterisk is for without instructional text. How about just including (required) on the end of each label, or

RE: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

2007-05-26 Thread Thierry Koblentz
On Behalf Of Terrence Wood most screen reader users don't expand abbreviations, they would only get asterisk  spoken to them. They might wonder what its significance is. Interesting. I used to think the same thing, but someone in a recent thread told me: On the other hand, screen-readers are