I wanted to do something similar - check this out :
http://nakijo.vna.com.au
Hope that helps
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From: theGrafixGuy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Centering one box in the center of the page with a
suggest it is not solely a
browser-specific problem...
Cheers,
Lachlan Hardy
- At 1280 x 1024, the layouts are perfectly centred with no problems.
- At 1024 x 768, the layouts are a *little* off-centre to the right.
- At 800 x 600, the layouts are a *lot* off-centre to the right
or colours or whatever. The code rewrites the relevant CSS
file(s) and the site changes as per the admin's intent.
Whilst it is a limited system, the benefits are good and it doesn't have any
of the downsides that others have mentioned so far.
Works well for me!
Cheers,
Lachlan Hardy
Gabriel,
You're over halfway through an 18 month course. Finish it.
You may no longer learn anything of any technical benefit for your plans for
future, but a qualification is invaluable in life due to the absurd rules by
which society judges your worth. I have a few qualifications that I figure
I thought this would be simple but it's making me feel a bit useless!
I'm simply trying to align two DIVs horizontally for the Search form :
http://www.streetdaddy.com/wsg/test.html
http://www.streetdaddy.com/wsg/domainname.css
The div with submit button (green border) always gets stacked
That site is admittedly terrible. It has no navigation on the frontpage in
Firefox for Win either
However, it is not indicative of all Australian government sites. I recently
discovered http://www.immi.gov.au when a client cited its previous design
(it has been redesigned to conform with the new
What the others have mentioned is, of course, pertinent. The following
should also help :
The law concerned is the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA) of 1992. HREOC
(Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission) has some good documentation
explaining it all. Your best starting point is probably
To be honest, I'm not sure. I would guess that it would depend on the court
at the time. The only solution I see is making clients sign a form
indicating that you have explained their responsibilities to them, that they
refuse to honour said responsibilities and that you are completely blameless
What about all the redesigns that I don't get because I insist on at least
attempting to increase accessibility? What about all the bidding wars I lose
because I'm going to take that little bit longer? My clients expect total
revision of a page according to some obscence specs to take 20 minutes
Thanks folks for the great responses. I will certainly incorporate some of
the things you've mentioned into my business behaviours from now on
However, it seems fairly apparent that none of you have encountered the
problems I'm talking about (except Marc, I think). Perhaps I wasn't clear
enough.
Phillips, Wendy wrote:
The page that opens in the new window has a number of anchor links -
this is just one of them. I've tried changing to different anchors and
the same problem occurs, unless it is the last anchor on the page and
there is no where else for the window to shift to. I can only
Chris Stratford wrote:
So its incorrectly loading the media for SCREEN...
and wont load CSS from one method either...
the @import seems not to work...
This is fairly typical of small-screen devices. Since most web
developers don't use CSS properly yet, and many of those who do don't
create
Tim Lucas wrote:
My compromise is to place all hacks for [insert your favourite buggy
browser] into it's own CSS file.
CSS hack techniques are forever changing.
CSS fundamentals are set in stone.
I'm with Mike on this. I don't see a benefit. In fact, when I read the
article it looked like more
Nick Gleitzman wrote:
There may be an extra file involved, but I know which is faster...
Hmmm... I guess it is a case of whatever works for the individual. I
don't have a problem with running the search as I comment use of all
hacks, so I just find 'hack' and I'm there...
So the benefit is
Ted Drake wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find some information on browser support for xforms and
how to style them with css? I know the w3c has some information but my head starts
spinning whenever I go to their pages.
I found this site, but it doesn't mention support and styling.
CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh wrote:
I have just put the test page on a web server. The URL is:
http://www.rba.gov.au/BC_Test/overview.jsp
As indicated by both Mordechai and Ben, you should really validate your
code before asking for help. It is an easy, automated way of pointing
out potential bug sources
My stupid, uncaffeinated self just wrote:
'id' is only to be used once on each page, whereas 'class' may be used
repeatedly (or only once).
Despite proof-reading it twice, I missed a major blunder : I was
referring to each specific 'id', such as nav. Therefore the sentence
should have read:
Hill, Tim wrote:
http://www.onetruefit.com/ - Lee Jeans, and an interview with the design
guy http://www.webstandards.org/learn/interviews/rcarver/
His company has more in the portfolio section as well.
http://www.lookandfeel.com/
After reading that interview, I'm a bit dark on this...
Carver
Sean Corfield wrote:
Question to Peter - is the city/state level membership information
available in aggregate so we can figure out what might work for
regional US meetings?
Well, I wouldn't dare speak for Peter, but the member location list he
indicated previously in this discussion -
Lea de Groot wrote:
What are people's preferred techniques for 'screen scraping' existing
sites to get the text from a tag-soup table layout?
When a page has copious links and such, simply copying the text from
the browser doesn't always give enough content to be a useful quick
method.
I do the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
script type=text/javascript src=thing.js/script
I do it as per Dan's example above. It validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict and
I haven't identified any problems with it
Cheers,
Lachlan
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Lee Roberts wrote:
That is what I use. Of course the directories and filenames are
different, but you get the idea.
I often just use a base tag.
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_base.asp
Although, I very rarely see other people use it. Since it has come up,
why don't folks use this tag?
Neerav wrote:
If you use a base tag than you cant run a local mirror of sites for
testing. Eg: I run Apache/PHP/MySQL etc on my pc to make sure everything
is running fine before I upload to the clients FTP server
Sure, you can. I just generate the base tag
I was thinking there must be some other
Kay Smoljak wrote:
I use the base tag for my Fusebox/ColdFusion sites, which use SES
(search engine safe) style URLS - ie, the urls are in the format
www.example.com/foo/bar/ rather than www.example.com?foo=bar. In this
situation, the relative links no longer make sense, which is where the
base
Seona Bellamy wrote:
* On pages like About Us and Contact Details, the centre banner apparently
stays stuck at the top of the screen (i.e., the content of the page
disappears under it as you scroll, and it's always on screen). Does anyone
else get this problem? I don't. More importantly, if anyone
Sheri German wrote:
Just remember to add a link to download the free QT plugin, and you'll
be good to go.
But then you get folks like me who refuse to install QT because it is
annoying (although not quite as bad as RealPlayer). If I come across a
site that only uses .mov files, I simply leave.
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Lachlan Hardy wrote:
I've never had to provide video online, but surely you can just use
one of the generic video file types that every player recognises?
I just knew that was going to get me in trouble...
Unless I'm mistaken, there are many video players that can play MOV
Anura wrote:
What happens is that once the page has loaded, if you scroll down and
then scroll up again, the styles are then displayed. Hit refresh, and
they disappear again. Also, I notice that hitting the ALT key makes
those styles disappear.
I haven't checked, but it sounds a lot like the
Ted Drake wrote:
Here's my first question. In firefox win it looks fine. In IE, I have about 10-15px margin between the topnav and the content div. I've played with the margin on the topmenu and that does have an impact. I've made the gap smaller by defining the margin on topmenu, but it still
Ryan Nichols wrote:
If anyone is interested, I have done the same thing using another
method. Instead of relying on text search and replace, you can just
create your own HTMLTextWriter. I use XHTMLTextWriter when I want to
write XHTML, and the standard when I don't. It's a wee bit more robust
that
Apparently I too browse in a very similar manner to Wayne, I open just
about every link in a new tab. Back when I used IE, I opened them in a
new window (Shift+Click was a wonderful thing, now it's Ctrl+Click)
However, I totally disapprove of opening links in a new window for one
reason only:
Apparently I too browse in a very similar manner to Wayne, I open just
about every link in a new tab. Back when I used IE, I opened them in a
new window (Shift+Click was a wonderful thing, now it's Ctrl+Click)
However, I totally disapprove of opening links in a new window for one
reason only:
Ryan Nichols wrote:
The reason you would want to usa a 'popup' is for contextual
information. Usually this is in more of a web application scenario than
a website per-se. So you have to think more broadly in the term of
website than serving documents with content in them (ala 'surfing').
Manuel González Noriega wrote:
You learn that you should validate anything before making it live
(just like you'd spell-check and proofread anything before going to
publication in the print world, for instance). ;)
Hmmm... I started writing a reply a few hours ago and events overtook
me. Still,
Nick Lo wrote:
I was just reading the article excerpted below and was curious as to how
many on the list have used this technique of initially setting all
padding and margins to 0 and if so how successful was it?
Well, I've used it a few times since I read that article and it rocks
In the
Isabel Santos wrote:
It seams to me that the pda is trying to render the normal css
(principalquasar40.css) and not the pda's one - 01pda.css (where the
central column should occupy all the screen not showing any body
background and widths should be mutch smaller).
Unfortunately this is almost
Chris Kennon wrote:
Have I arrived at the semantically correct solution for placing the
footer. Also before beginning the typographic positioning , does the
core CSS have semantic credence.
I'm not sure that I quite understand your questions, Chris
I can't see how semantics have a place in the
As Dejan and Christian indicated, the validator automatically assumes
use of CSS 2.0
However, using the advanced interface allows you to choose which version
you would like to validate against. In the case of Lindsay's site,
validating against CSS 3.0 removes some of the errors - the
john wrote:
I'm wondering if there's some easy (and free) way to convert text from a
WORD document into clean XHTML that retains the formatting.
If you have Dreamweaver, try using the 'Clean Up Word HTML Tool'. Then
'Convert to XHTML'. Any gunk left over after that is easily cleaned out
using a
john wrote:
I'm wondering if there's some easy (and free) way to convert text from a
WORD document into clean XHTML that retains the formatting.
Another addition: I just remembered that recent versions of Word allow
you to save as HTML, Filtered. This is MS-speak for removing all Office
Web Usability wrote:
A friend of mine came across this site yesterday and when he accessed it
with Firefox he got nothing but code on the screen.
http://www.ceinternet.com.au/site/index.htm
Roger,
As others have said, the problem is the 'text/plain'
I've noted that
john wrote:
Forgive me if this doesn't specifically relate to standards, but perhaps
it does.
I'm simply wondering about the grammatically-correct double space after
a period. For years, it's never mattered to me, but I have a client who
is a stickler for this sort of thing, and he asked if I
Wayne Godfrey wrote:
This isn't a matter of grammar or standards, it's a matter of correct
use of punctuation. With the thought process that's being put forth
here, would you also put double spaces before and after an em dash?
What about commas, quote marks, and all other forms of
ByteDreams wrote:
I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any
browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? I sure would like
to try some experimental stuff with these tags if there are...
Try Blake Scarborough's piece from last November: Looking Around
Stevio wrote:
What is the simplest way to layout 2 columns? Nothing fancy, just a bit
of content in each one. No background colour.
You didn't ask for header and footer, but if you don't want them just
remove...
HTML:
body
div id=header...some header content.../div
div id=somecol...some
Stevio wrote:
To expand on the simple 2 column layout, how can I have a fixed width left
column (for navigation) and a right column that fills the rest of the
space.
This is achieved in tables by setting the left cell to, for example, 150
width, and the right column to 100%.
Despite my strong
Stevio wrote:
- Original Message - From: Lachlan Hardy
Despite my strong disapproval of fixed width (I know, I know, the
redesign is coming), the following works for me
Do you object to a column being a fixed width? I understand your
objection to a fixed width overall layout, but why
G'day folks
Firstly, apologies to Chris for not noticing that he'd already referred
Mario to Cameron's article
Secondly, Drew's points:
It may make styling easier but incorporating form controls in labels
has a
different meaning than associating a label and a form control. For one
thing, it
Phil Baines wrote:
http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/InForm/fieldset.htm : would you say
that there is no way to style a legend so that it is not ON the border of
the fieldset? It looks like The Man in Blue used a H3. There must be a way
of styling Legends like this.
G'day Phil,
if you read
G'day folks!
A query for those with some experience in using multiple languages in
their sites:
In a site that is predominantly English, select pages have been
translated into both Simplified and Traditional Chinese. Each page
contains a link where users are able to indicate their preferred
Juergen Auer wrote:
try to save the html-file as UTF-8 and use the chinese letters
directly. And add
meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
Your solution can't work if the page is saved as Ascii / 256 Bit.
Sorry, should have mentioned that. Yes, the page is UTF-8 (by
Well, this will teach me not to send messages to the list without proper
sleep. I'll try and explain the situation a bit better:
The Chinese (both Traditional and Simplified) was encoded in UTF-8 and
is displayed as UTF-8. It shows up fine for me in Firefox. It shows up
fine in IE, if the code
Lea de Groot wrote:
Last night's Brisbane meeting was a roaring success.
Our new venue at the Library was great, with the only downside being no
internet connection. It seems Brisbane's standard is the leading edge
- an interstate visitor tells us we are far ahead of Melbourne in
catering.
Peter Ottery wrote:
1) I'm curious if the use of an asterix to indicate a required field,
and the way I've done it, is ok accessibility-wise or if theres
anything else i could/should do...?
G'day Pete
I've recently undertaken the same work myself. I'm beginning to
undertake a very OO approach to
russ - maxdesign wrote:
The Sydney Web Standards meeting went well tonight with about 33 people
present.
I just want to say thank you to the Sydney crew for making a Ballarat
boy feel welcome. You guys really have an excellent atmosphere and the
meeting was a lot of fun - as was the sojourn at
Hope Stewart wrote:
For example, instead of
table cellpadding=8 summary=This is a table of products and prices.
I left out the cellpadding attribute in the table tag and added this to my
style sheet:
td {
padding: 0.5em 5px 2em 0;
}
but it didn't work.
G'day Hope,
Typically, that padding
sam sherlock wrote:
I would also appreciate any links to web standard sites using multiple
languages?
Still doing some under-the-hood work on this one to bring it up to
speed, but you can check out http://www.liveinvictoria.vic.gov.au/ to
see the site I was pestering the list about a month or
Peter Ottery wrote:
if you had part of a form that had a checkbox that when checked
enabled a file upload input, how would you mark that up?
G'day Pete
I think your wrapping of the labels is appropriate, but I'd probably
include a fieldset to surround the lot - indicating their relationship
Vaska.WSG wrote:
I've been reading around (via Google) and I find others with similar
problems but no solution. Is there a solution to this?
Whenever I present code in a page, I use something similar to the method
Simon Willison put forward by in July 2002:
Peter Firminger wrote:
I only have 8 RSVPs for Sydney so far?
We have 12 for Melbourne so far, but I'd like more!
Nigel is an fervent speaker. If you're in Melbourne and you're not
coming tonight - you are crazy! Or just not geeky enough ;)
Cheers
Lachlan
Bruce Gilbert wrote:
*htmlbody #wrapper_inner{ width:750px; background-color:#036;
padding:0; margin:0; }
the * causes to CSS to not validate due to a parsing error. Is there
any way around this??
From a future-proofing perspective, I recommend you try Tantek's
IE5/Mac Band Pass Filter:
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is a chain of descendant selectors (with the '' representing a direct
parentchild pair),
what could possibly be the parent of html ?
According to spec, nothing. However all versions (AFAIK) of IE, both Win
and Mac, render their DOM with an anonymous parent to the
russ - maxdesign wrote:
I remember the information, as it was a surprising statement, but not the
specifics.
I seem to recall Doug Bowman saying something similar about the Wired
redesign at Web Essentials last year. I've hunted around on the web for
a reference, but can't find an article
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
I'm starting to see a new reality show... something like 'Rock school' but
it would be called 'standards school'
Well, although it bears no relation to Sydney, or indeed, tertiary
education, there is a high school in Victoria teaching standards-based
web design. As I
designer wrote:
OK, I don't use tables, except for tabular data. I've been doing this
standards stuff for for just one year and there is only one place where
I use a table for layout, and that is to put something (div, or
whatever) slap bang in the middle of the screen, both vertically and
Seona Bellamy wrote:
I can't see why it wouldn't be the same for teachers. I mean, English
and Literature teachers need to read the texts they will be taking
their class through so that they are familiar with the material. When
the way of approaching mathematics changed (my mother has told
Katrina wrote:
Who has ever seen a div with a class of header? Why not use a header
(eg.h1) element?
I may not have understood that. I may have misheard that. I'm sorry if I
did.
Aren't the header tags reserved for text? Is it acceptable form to place
non-textual elements only inside of
G'day folks,
my colleague Gian Sampson-Wild had some issues posting this to the list
so I'm forwarding it on her behalf. As such, apologies for the late notice:
From: Gian Sampson-Wild
Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2005 7:17 PM
To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'
Christian Montoya wrote:
OK, now you have me very excited. Does this go in external
stylesheets? How's the support for IE browsers? Other browsers? Tell
me more.
G'day Christian,
The expression code that Paul used (and which I often use myself) is
proprietary to Microsoft. IE allows some
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
kvnmcwebn wrote:
My big concerns: how to make these jump menus standards and seo friendly?
As others have mentioned, there are various usability issues. However,
in these circumstances (insistent clients etc) we usually build the menu
out of an unordered list then
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
can you send a link to an example of one of these?
Try this one:
http://www.business.vic.gov.au/
Hopefully, you'll forgive the lack of validation - not our
implementation, although I'm sure it'll get there eventually
Cheers
Lachlan
Terrence Wood wrote:
where's the map?
I'm sorry, I thought Lisa wanted an example of the unordered list
conversion to dropdown list
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kvnmcwebn wrote:
Nice script.
What sort of attribution would you like if I borrow it?
It is brilliant Lachlan
i'd like to use it to if you don't mind.
Well, shucks, guys.
Like I said, I didn't write it. I've just checked with a colleague, and
as far as we can recall (this was months ago)
Christian Montoya wrote:
Please send Clear Blue Day another e-mail and ask them if they have
any dinosaurs in their office.
This is not intended as an attack on Christian, nor anyone else. Not at
all. I'm dead serious on that
However, the comment above has reminded me of an attitude I see
refrain from using such examples in future. It may
not be offensive to you but I'm sure you can see how it's inappropriate for
this list
If we can return to a discussion I was quite enjoying (using some different
examples) that'd be great. If not, consider this thread closed
Lachlan Hardy
WSG Core
standards and close-related
topics. I would prefer this was done in a friendly helpful manner. The list
rules *require* that this is done politely and professionally
Keep this in mind
Thanks
Lachlan Hardy
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