Re: [WSG] Conflict with javascript dropdown menus and CSS

Hi Kay, I have just joined the group and hope it's ok to just jump in The site looks good! On your sample page, the menu performs well. I'm at work on a PC at the moment (use a Mac at home) and I viewed the page in Firefox, Opera 7 and IE6 and in all cases it drops down not up! Hope this

Re: [WSG] Conflict with javascript dropdown menus and CSS

Hi again, Just one more thing - I was looking at the source code and wondering at the use of all the meta / tags which I haven't seen before - so sent the page to the W3C validator and it picked these tags up as being invalid. There were some other errors too. Whatever problem you are seeing

Re: [WSG] Gaps between LI inline elements

Here is a DW extension that strips out the whitespace to solve this issue: http://www.dwfaq.com/store/detail/?id=faqStrpLWS It automatically strips the whitespace, you don't have to do anything once it's installed, though it can also be run manually. And it's free. :-) Vicki. :-) Jim

Re: [WSG] help on this rollover please

Adding float:left to ul.navlist in Firefox fixed it Vicki. :-) Jim wrote: I am having a problem with this sample rollover at http://www.barricksinsurance.com/button.html . It shows up fine with 4 rows across and 4 rows down on IE but it shows 5 rows across on Firefox. Has anybody any

Re: [WSG] Sliding doors and Mac IE5.2

Hi Kim. :-) Your sliding doors look fine in my MacIE5.2, OSX 10.3.5. The icons in the content area, however, take on a stepped effect (like formatted nested code, for example - as if there's increased indentation before each one for the first three, then goes back to left alignment for the

[WSG] accessible audio-visual content

Hi all, I have a client who wants some audio-visual content on his site. He wants to stream interviews etc like a radio channel - but not live, at this point. There will also be some video clips. (All of these will be downloadable, and not play automatically.) The client represents a local

Re: [WSG] Careers in web standards

My previous employer has advertised for someone to fill my old job and apparently it's not looking hopeful. They want someone who can hit the ground running but I think it really is a case of what Kay was saying - you have to expect to train people. But the job description was based around my

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

I rarely even mention web standards to clients anymore unless they are govt or govt agencies. I agree that as someone paying a builder to build a house for me, I don't need to know the pros and cons of a certain type of mortar - just do the job and do it so it gets me the result I want! My pitch

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

Oh I'm with you there, Andy! I realised after I sent that email that I could have put that better. I agree that the rate you charge is in many ways a reflection of your knowledge and experience, and that knowledge and experience can lead you to put in more effort in some ways. I still think,

Re: [WSG] CSS Footer

Hi Lawrence, I've found there's no ideal solution to this. Seems you have to sacrifice a browser or two whichever way you choose to go - up to you to choose the lesser of the evils! A few examples of the various solutions and how to implement them are on the CSS-Discuss email list wiki:

Re: [WSG] CSS Footer

LOL. yes, in retrospect what I said wasn't *quite* right, was it? Haha. Vicki. :-) Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vicki Berry wrote: Seems you have to sacrifice a browser or two whichever way you choose to go There's no need to sacrifice a browser, just the effect

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

Hi Kay et al, Coming in late here. I couldn't find the original post so am not quite clear about the new common badging apparently to be released? Will that change the Office of the E-Govt design guidelines which say at http://www.egov.dpc.wa.gov.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=guidelines.design

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

Natalie Buxton wrote: Why do organisations (be they private or public) continue to blame a CMS for things like poor validity and accessibility? Choosing a CMS that comforms the the requirements of well-formed valid (X)HTML and CSS, as well as good usability and accessibility should surely be

Re: [WSG] A way to skip a Flash-intro if Flash is not installed?

Like most dial-up users who do have Flash installed, I don't want to *ever* sit (and sit, and sit, and sit) through a Flash intro and want to be able to clearly see the link that says to skip it - please don't hide it behind the Flash movie! Best not to take usability choices away from

Re: [WSG] Page structure - navigation

Rick Faaberg wrote: Is there something wrong with go to whatever section? It's been said that go to could imply to someone using a screen reader that the link will take them to another page. You might prefer to say Go to ... on this page. Joe Clark had an entry in Axxlog a while back

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

We all do, really. I am at home, and don't have the research here, but current statistics show that 97.4% of all devices accessing web content are running on Windows. Every one of these machines has IE on it. Really, are we mad to develop for anything else? Discuss. I realise you said

Re: [WSG] footer technique

Looks perfect to me in Safari 2.0, OS 10.4.2. Vicki. :-) Kay Smoljak wrote: Could someone with a Mac please check the test page? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] background images fluid

I've understood what you were asking. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting

RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

but don't want to offend anyone!) Just my 2 cents plus GST! Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] drop down menus - long

as a user... Large sites without dropdowns/flyouts can certainly allow users to go from A to B easily. But they don't always. (Or better yet make a sitemap page :) Site maps *shouldn't* be an or. :-) (My own sites are in dire need of updating in this regard!) Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry

RE: Politically Correct Terminology (was RE: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/)

on an international or multicultural site, an explanation of why certain terminology was used might be appropriate given the strong objections some sectors can evidently have about what they are called. -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au

Re: [WSG CORE] RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

in terminology.) Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting

Re: [WSG] Accessibility, the possibilities

Might be a propagation thing. Try http://69.93.55.164/ for the new site. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org

[WSG] cross-cultural (Asia/US) usability differences

(in the background as opposed to multimedia content) where possible? To clarify, I am not saying perhaps we should give attention to visual communication to the exclusion of actual content, but in addition to...? What have others found, regarding usability across cultures? -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb http

Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

. -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting

RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma

Patrick Lauke wrote: I'd say not *after* the link, but *as part of* the link. If a user is tabbing between links, they will not get to the text after the link itself. Good point, Patrick! Thanks. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http

Re: [WSG] Text Size Statistics

Hope Stewart wrote: Safari gives you the option of adding text-resize icons to tool bar. Win/IE does too, at least IE6 does... I used to have it there in my PC days. :-) I agree this seems like a good way to let people know this function is available. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry

Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space

/index.htm Like all PVII offerings, it works in all modern browsers. HTH, -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space

wrong with Javascript that I can see, as long as the site degrades gracefully without it. But to each their own. :-) Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

getting out there amongst people who are in a position to change things is one potentially effective method. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid

, and that certainly can be done with CSS. The second project in Eric Meyer's More Eric Meyer on CSS uses a CSS to style a photo collection in a grid pattern. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com

[WSG] simplyaccessible.org

on the behalf of those who can, means the world to those who can't. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards

and Jesse Rodgers Dreamweaver Task Force members so they can continue working with MM on the standards issue. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] XHTML as text/html what Tantek said.

. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints

Re: [WSG] Perth Meetups

both) if you want further information. (That way we can keep such discussions off the list so that the 2000 subscribers who are not in Perth aren't unnecessarily annoyed.) It will be nice to meet you there. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http

[WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

in its own table row, because then I can't keep the list. Or do I need to actually type into the content the list numbering (instead of using an ol) just to get the same visual effect? :-\ -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

/resources/tables.cfm#very , as it demonstrates that accessible tables needn't be meagre and can, in fact, contain quite a lot of structured information. Thanks Joshua, a great resource! But unfortunately those pages don't discuss lists in tables at all. :-( -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

it should be a data table. At the moment it's a layout table pretending to be a data table but there is a direct relationship between the data in each column and the column headers are, IMHO, necessary. Thanks for your reply... it makes it easier! -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

Hi Lea, I am very relieved to have now got the point that the numbering should be part of the content. Doesn't that make (my) life so much simpler? :-D Thanks for taking the time to help. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http

Re: [WSG] css rollover - with current page highlight?

, with no need to touch the menu - useful if you're using includes for the menu. Al's method involves adding the id to the menu itself. It is your call, whatever works best for you. (You can get either to work with your particular menu.) HTH, -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http

Re: [WSG] o 0

is rounder than 0, but if you don't have one of each to compare, it can be very hit-and-miss. I'm sure there must be many other situations on and off the web where usability is impaired in this way. -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http