michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote:
Kevin,
I think that was meant to be a hint that we might be able to debug your
code if we could see some of it - very few of us enjoy the extra
challenge of 'working blind'.
Mike
Ok, it's just that I'm still working on the site still and don't want to
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michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote:
Kevin,
I think that was meant to be a hint that we might be able to debug
your
code if we
Whats the problem with firefox and vertical scroll bars.
I have a centered layout here most of the pages would require scrolling
but no bars show up in ff.
I've tried all the solutions on this page:
http://hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/forcing-scrollbars-now-even-better
but no use.
Any
thanks david.
David Dorward wrote:
kevin mcmonagle wrote:
Any suggestions?
I suggest not asking people to debug code based on third party examples
that work instead of the code that actually causes the problems
What is it that makes floats not wrap to the width of their containing
div in the new version of ie? Its happened to me on a couple site's
image thumbnail galleries.
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Your problem is the sidebar, you need to make the position of it relative,
then the footer will pop underneath it. To keep the sidebar liquid just
float it to the right and use em's for the height, width etc.
Thats a good solution. Thanks for the feedback everyone, especially
Hi I'm trying to modify this template to work with a footer.
The problem is getting a footer to float below the right side div.
I can't figure out how to keep #sidebar liquid but still float a footer
under it.
Is it possible.
Here is the css on that div:
#sidebar {
position: absolute;
left:
David Dorward wrote:
... is not floating.
Unless you can predict the height of absolutely positioned content
(you usually can't) or want to rearrange the document with JavaScript
after initial rendering (nasty), then placing content below absolutely
positioned content should generally be
Hi Ebiz,
Thanks for the selector tip. Heres how what im using now, works in ff
and safari. will test it in ie shortly.
=
#home a{border:0px solid black;
background-image:url(../images/icons/area.gif); background-repeat:
Hhi,
Whats the cleanest way to create a css prelaoder for li hover states.
Heres the site in question.
http://cosanglas.com/
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On 07/11/2008, at 10:27 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
Hhi,
Whats the cleanest way to create a css prelaoder for li hover states.
Heres the site in question.
http://cosanglas.com/
-best
kevin
div id=leftcol
a href=#
h2 class=cosanhead
*(I need this heading to have a negative left margin over the leftcol
div but it wont budge)*
/h2
/a
..
/div
heres the css :
a:link h2.cosanhead {
height:90px; margin-left:-57px; width:150px;
hi,
How come you cant change the list-type from none to circle(or anything
else) on li a:hover?
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The list-style appears on the li element. The selector li a:hover
matches the a element, which isn't display: list-item and so can't
have a list marker. Additionally, CSS provides no way to select an
element based on its children, so you can't match the list item based on
the hover state of a
hi,
forgive me if this it ot, if so please reply off list.
Whats the best cross-browser way to get a div on top of swf with css.
If i use:
param name=wmode value=opaque /
with z-index will it be sufficent?
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Mark Stickley wrote:
It is impossible to get a div sitting on top of flash in all browsers.
hi mark, which browsers/versions would give me problems?
Your best bet is to hide the flash while your overlay is showing and
show it when it hides again. If the blank space where your flash was
will
Ted Drake wrote:
The YUI container library offers the iframe shim, built in for ie6.
Watch the wmode:transparent if your flash movie contains actual
content. Wmode:transparent makes it justifiably invisible to screen
readers. It’s basically telling the browser and screen reader the
flash
there is a free version of bbedit called textwrangler if you can hardcode.
Gicela Morales wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering
about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can
recommend?
I can see that BBEdit is still
Paul Collins wrote:
Hi all,
Does anyone know of a free online resource for building a form that
sends an email? One that's aimed at people with limited knowledge of
databases. I'm trying to locate one for a friend. He'd like to add his
own customisable fields too. Most of the ones I am
micheal md wrote:
I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where
possible and so far I haven't found
anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3
How about flv?
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Matijs wrote:
Hello Kevin,
Not sure what you mean by stretch to the width of the ul in ie
Do you mean to distribute them evenly within the width of the ul?
Hi Matijs,
Floating the images/ anchors contained in the li's left next to each
other is what im trying to do.
But right now each
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
You're running into specificity problems...
ahhh...
thanks George.
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Hi,
Its late and i forget what makes these li's stretch to the width of the
ul in ie?
ul.bos_image_index {
margin-left: 0;
padding-left: 0;
white-space: nowrap;
}
.bos_image_index li {
display: inline;
list-style-type: none;
border:1px solid black;
}
.bos_image_index li a {
border:1px
I use those sometimes if theres a load of dynamic links in the footer
but never as the primary navigation bar. It would probably be torture
for someone using a screen reader. Use a list with the border if you can.
Hello all
I can't seem to find a definitive answer on this via
Hi Drew,
Thanks for the feedback.
The aspx programmer is open to standards and may be receptive to my advice.
how about this:
fieldset
legendRoom Search/legend
div class=checkin
labelCheck-in Date:/label
select name=...
option value=101/option
/select
..
/div
div class=checkout
label
Hi,
Having a problem with suckerfish drowndowns, ie6 shows the nested lists
expanded to the full height of all li's. Im doing the css for a
programmer and im not sure whats going wrong. is it possible the
javascript fix isnt being picked up? Im not doing that part of the
programming.
Anyone
cheers george.
i thought the !important; fixed that but apparently not.
menus height ok in ie6, just have to give it a conditional comment for
the width now.
-thanks a mill
kevin
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Sure, IE6 has no respect for declared dimensions - !important or not,
and expands
im not an expert but i dont think it would help tee. dont think google
favors duplicate content anymore. but i dont know.
tee wrote:
I was thinking maybe it's a SEO question and shouldn't post it here,
however, the more I think about it, the more I feel it deserves a
semantical perspective
Thanks,
Only other services and local information have drop downs and they are
showing up in ff3 for me.
what version are you using?
Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd wrote:
Your top links aren't working in Firefox, the nav li's need a z-index to
appear above the flash.
hmm, drop downs are not showing up in safari either.
I do have z-index defined so not sure what the problem is.
#mainMenu li ul li {
padding-right: 1em;
width: 13em;
text-align:left;
text-indent:5px;
border-bottom:solid 1px #fff;
z-index:1002;
}
and also on the li ul { z-index:1002;}
hmm
im not an expert on this but should there be a fieldset or legend around
this?
not even sure if it qualifies as a form, although it has a submit button.
h4Check-in Date:/h4
select name=...
option value=101/option
.
/select
select name=... id=...
option selected=selected
hi,
Thats strange eBiz,
The dropdowns are working over the flash in ff3 mac for me.
Anyway im getting that or a very similar problem in safari so will def
try your suggestion tomorrow.
Actually the hover states are not even working in safari though so it
might be another issue alltogether.
is an aspx page, theres a form around the whole page, so theres not an
individual one around this content block. ok i will use fieldset and legend.
-best
kevin
Todd Budnikas wrote:
i assume there is a form tag wrapped around this you didn't include?
Would obviously require that to qualify
what do you all think about the way chrome re-sizes (ctrl +)
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First i thought it felt unfinished, but then the minimal design grew on
me. Very uncluttered. And drop down menus consolodate a lot of screen
real estate. Well designed gui, all its needs now is firebug and id use
it. And i like the incognito windows, thats a slick feature.
Hi im developing a site and have a couple problems.
www.pattersonskitchens.ie
First I cant get the doctype to validate, not sure why
2nd: cant get the expanding/repeating background div on left hand side
to work in ie.
theres a few other issues but these are the two that have me stuck.
christian wrote:
line-height: the ugly henchman lurking in the shadows, ready to
strikewhen margin and padding have been defeated.
yes exactly that meyer reset addresses line height setting it to 1.5
ems i think, the equivelent of 18pixels.
But I dont think he had forms/input boxes in mind
Ok here it is-Im just putting this up here as a last ditch effort.
http://67.199.64.89/newtable3.html
Can anyone offer advice on fixing/locking table cell/row height across
browsers?
The main problem is making the two adjacent tables appear to be one
continuous table. Getting the cell
yes if i was doing the asp i would have looked at that for a solution.
But still its very tabular as well.
EBS wrote:
Could you not do this with div's and use an unordered list?
Mathew O'Connor
Essential eBiz Solutions
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cheers joseph,
its two different tables because of some show hide function that
requires that.
I pushed for one table but apparently that cant be done.
Thanks for the tip on the images, that was causing a problem, im going
to clear them and use text.
Regarding this:
td {
min-height: 50px;
yes for some reason programmer needs two tables which was the big
issue for me.
I have the height alignments just about worked out now though.
Regarding the color, there isnt much color in the table layout, unless
you counting black which is a shade like white.
The input boxes have to be
joseph what browser is that screen shot from?
i wasnt getting the left hand text overflowing like that in any of my
browsers.
-best
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joseph i keep my brightness at 0, and thought it matched.
thanks for the tip
Joseph Taylor wrote:
Kevin,
If I may make a recommendation, adjust the background color of your
cells to match the bottom color of your background gradients so when
text gets enlarged it still looks smooth inside
can they be set for consistency across browsers?
if so what are all the attributes that need to be reset, i missing
something.
-best
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text contained within?
is it possible? something like overflow:hidden for a cell?
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Hi I've been asked to redesign the gui on a hotel booking engine / room
allocation web app.
Its basically the busiest example of tabular data ive ever seen - most
data in the cells is input.
Any Advice on styling an overwhelming amount tabular data?
-best
kevin
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Hi I've been asked to redesign the gui on a hotel booking engine /
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Its basically the busiest example
its used as a shim.
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Why do you think that it is important to stuff something invisible
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Sorry folks, but am I missing something here?
Why do you think that it is important to stuff
hi,
i want to use the underscore hack instead of conditional comments
because it will be easier to keep track of image paths.
Its only an ie6 because transparency workaround.
In my understanding the below code should only serve the gif to ie 6,
not later versions?
but IE net renderer is
I bought got an old laptop for testing sites-it has ie 5.5 on it now,
Anybody know where i can download an upgrade to ie6 for windows 2000
proffessional?
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a little more valid / semantic
div.clearer {clear: both; line-height: 0; height: 0;}
div class=clearernbsp;/div
On 17/07/2008, at 4:04 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
now i can validate.
thank you
-kevin
thanks for the links.
-best
kevin
David Hucklesby wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:35:32 +0100, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
I bought got an old laptop for testing sites-it has ie 5.5 on it now,
Anybody know where i can download an upgrade to ie6 for windows 2000
proffessional?
Assuming you
in an inner wrapper with no heights set anywhere /unless /the
outerwrapper was floated left or right itself..
-best
kevin
David Hucklesby wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:08:47 +0100, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
hi,
I have a wrapper in that wont scale to its contained content/divs
hi,
I have a wrapper in that wont scale to its contained content/divs but
there are no heights set in the divs that i can see.
Is there something else that can cause this?
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hi,
im using negative margins to put a png half over the edge of a wrapper
div.
Works good in ff, but breaks the layout in ie.
Is there anything i can do to get ie to display the
div like fire fox does or is this to tall an order for ie?
-best
kevin
Thanks David,
That works well in ie 6 7.
I only had to add a negative margin in a conditional
comment to the div that was getting pushed up.
-best
kevin
David Owens wrote:
Hi Kevin,
You might be better off using
position: relative;
top: -35px;
instead of the negative margin
Hi,
Is it possible to target specific classes in a list to apply different
background image to the different links in a list nav?
tried everything i could think of but cant get it to work.
something like:
#navlist li .furniture a
or applying the different images to the anchors instead of
Rick Lecoat wrote:
Note the removal of the space; li.furniture refers to a list item
that has the class 'funiture'; li .furniture refers to some other
element with a class=furniture *that is contained within* a list item.
oh boywell that explains it..
Thanks for the tip on the
hi,
im doing a list with a background image and some text. how can an make
the whole li area hot and not just the text.
i forgot how to do that
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Rick Lecoat wrote:
The main thing is to make sure that the list item is set to display:
block.
I had tried that rick but i was putting the padding in the li not the li a.
Do i still need to make li's block elements for ie?
-best
kevin
Sorry Kevin, I meant to say that the a *inside* the li should be
set to display: block. list items are block level by default.
no problem thanks for the help.
Theres another issue with this nav bar. There are 3 primary links that
have images - the rest are just text. Ive used an id
What is the software, plug in or extension that does this automatically?
-best
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Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
kevin mcmonagle wrote:
Using swf object 2.0 embeded swfs as an xhtml sites primary
navigation - what are the liabilities?
without flash, no navigation; not crawled/indexed by search engines;
not keyboard-accessible in firefox; even
Rick Lecoat wrote:
If the visitor has Flash then the Flash swf replaces the alternative
content. If they don't (or if they don't have javascript turned on)
then they'll get the fallback content, which should also suffice for
search engines. (Of course, don't make your fallback navigation
Thank you matijs thats what i was wondering, you make a good point about
using javascript but im not an expert in using it.
Matijs wrote:
There isn't really a way for a search engine to see how many times a
link has been clicked. It is however possible for a search engine to
see / count how
any good standards based tutorials out there for adding them to regular
xhtml pages?
-best
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Thanks thats just what i was looking for.
Melissa wrote:
Best one I've seen and used is at Veerle Pieters' blog:
http://veerle.duoh.com/blog/comments/fickr_badge_w3c_valid/
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Hi,
Are there any free services like net renderer that show firefox 2x.
scree captures?
-best
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Recently it was pointed out to me that a site I built is breaking in
firefox 3 beta five.
How close is this to release? Do i need to worry about this? the site
works fine in current browsers-firefox and otherwise.
-thanks in advance
kevin
Michael Persson wrote:
Do we still want the money to produce their website or do we say no
because we are web standard freaks and would never touch such a
bad usability and accessibilty project dirty money hahaha..
Well would we...??
If all they want is eye candy give it to them and take
What do you people, professionals and hobby standardists think about full
flash websites?? where is the usability and accessibility for flash in
general??
Im a big fan of xhtml/flash hybrid sites myself. Usually I'll consider
using flash for anything but links(usability reasons) and the
Hi,
Im trying swf object 2.0.
http://www.seaviewnightclub.com/mockup2.html
Im using the static-standards compliant method that uses conditional
comments.
I thought it would validate better than this. Theres a lot of unclosed
errors on the param tags. Should i just self close those i
try these,
http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/
http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Media_Player
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Is this wrapper floating over the mast div in ie7 only? ahhh.
http://www.seaviewnightclub.com/mockup.html
http://www.seaviewnightclub.com/css/boxes.css
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hi,
My friend wants to learn about css so i told him to do the selectutorial
on the maxdesign site.
It says to reset the margins in the body then use ems for padding.
I was reading somewhere that cancelling out the margins in the body
tells the browsers to go through all the tags and cancel
, 2008, at 14:36, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
hi,
im generating a list of page links from my cms, its not really
for a nav bar just a section of the site that has a number of
related articles.
im using h2 for the over all list label but am wondering what
:
h2section title/h2
h3apage name/a/h3
h3apage name2/a/h3
...
thanks in advance
-kevin mcmonagle
www.mcmonagledesign.com
www.donegalimage.com
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hi,
I have a bg image set for heading links like so:
h3 a:link, h3 a:visited, h4 a:link, h4 a:visited {
overflow:visible; background: url(/images/arrowh3.jpg) no-repeat 100% -1px;
padding: 0 40px 0 0;
}
The problem is that if a long heading breaks to two lines the background
image
I think its very handy even though i hardcode most stuff.
Its good for organizing your work flow, with document tabs and what not.
The code is pretty clean these days and theres a good built in validator.
I think even object embedding (.flvs and what not) is pretty unobtrusive.
Sorry if thats
hi,
thanks for the reply but im going go with the a controllable music
player that ill do up in flash.
The main problem was that he wanted a continuous song going on the site
which would have been impossible without frames. But as some members
suggested a controllable player is much more
hi,
Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid.
The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously.
What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music
track?
I mean the only solution that is a frameset right but i just want some
feedback of the dangers of
hi,
i think if i cold sell him on a player that would be user controlled.
I will tell him he can put in more tracks by his dj's.
Sorry i meant to change the title of the post.
thanks a million.
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hi,
anyone know how ie8 will work with ufo flash detection js and and the
standard dreamweaver flv embedding scripts?
thanks in advance
kevin
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There's not even a downloadable beta of ie8 out yet...so I think there won't be
much of an answer beyond speculation?
suppose your right early days yet.
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That code isn't standards based.
Use textpattern.
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hi,
is there any way to get ie6 to accept this property:
background-position:top center;
i have a tabular nav bar with different width tabs, the background image
needs to center itself.
thanks
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support:
http://www.twinhelix.com/css/iepngfix/
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Hi,
Whats the standards way to handle or degrade ie6 png support for a
repeating background img?
Im having problems solving this-ies4mac doesn't seem to do well with
conditional comments and png hacks-so i cant tell whats working.
Im thinking about putting the wrapper div with the repeating
of IE6/7 I use the netrenderer:
http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer/ and for more advanced checks use
browsershots: http://browsershots.org/
Cheers,
Tony
kevin mcmonagle wrote:
Hi,
Whats the standards way to handle or degrade ie6 png support for a
repeating background img?
Im having problems solving
Hi,
Im frustrated with a margin difference in ie6. Im modifying a zen cart
install and didnt create the style sheets and dont have much control
over the html.
The problem is the two links (log in and home) at the top right of the
page header. Ive added The borders just so you can see the
yes its a buzzword mostly but from a design standpoint its also a genre.
Thomas Thomassen wrote:
Nothing. Web 2.0 is a buzzword. There's nothing truely new.
It's often accociated with social networking. Sites where the users
provide the content.
note to anyone who wants to run ies4mac.
install wine verstion .51
the current version doesnt work.
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Whats my cheapest option for getting ie7 to run on my intel based mac.
Is it basically an option between boot camp, parallels or virtual pc?
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Had a terrible time on my Intel MacBook with Parallels Desktop; it
refused to play nice with OS X Leopard. Wouldn't even install
properly. Switched to VMware Fusion, and haven't had a problem since.
g.
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Hi
hi,
just a quick follow up. After 20mins downloading and installing and no
cost im running ie6 and 7 natively in tiger with ies4osx. It aint pretty
but it works.
-best
kevin
kevin mcmonagle wrote:
thanks for the good reply's guys. I think im gonna try this one first:
http://macapper.com
Hi,
Whats my cheapest option for getting ie7 to run on my intel based mac.
Is it basically an option between boot camp, parallels or virtual pc?
Very frustrated with discrepancies at the moment.
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